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[Brian]

Regardless of whether they identify as conservative or liberal, those who think that children should be shielded from hearing any reference* to LGBTQI people are expressing discriminatory beliefs. Homophobia and transphobia are the terms applied to such discrimination.

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* By “reference”, I mean the sorts of things that a straight teacher would talk about with their students (e.g., their spouse, their own children, etc.). I do not mean any sort of “indoctrination” (spoiler: you can’t turn kids gay or trans).

I am (obviously) a conservative and have a very conservative circle (including one who went to a particularly troubling event in January of 2021, staying out of trouble, but still to my chagrin). Not a single person in that circle, or anyone I have ever engaged in conversation with, believes it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their same-sex spouse/partner, just as they don't feel it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their opposite-sex spouse/partner.

You don’t consider the use of long established slurs as meriting a negative label? How many racist slurs can I publicly use before it is acceptable for people to call me a racist?

Are you suggesting that it's ok to label all people based on the way those of similar demographics behave?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Wait until he establishes a State Board of Ride Inspectors........

There is one but given recent comments I’m guessing nobody knows it exists, or that Fried runs it.

 

[LittleBuford]

I am (obviously) a conservative and have a very conservative circle (including one who went to a particularly troubling event in January of 2021, staying out of trouble, but still to my chagrin). Not a single person in that circle, or anyone I have ever engaged in conversation with, believes it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their same-sex spouse/partner, just as they don't feel it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their opposite-sex spouse/partner.

Then you are not the kind of person any of us is referring to, nor the kind of person this bill is designed to appeal to.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I am (obviously) a conservative and have a very conservative circle (including one who went to a particularly troubling event in January of 2021, staying out of trouble, but still to my chagrin). Not a single person in that circle, or anyone I have ever engaged in conversation with, believes it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their same-sex spouse/partner, just as they don't feel it would be inappropriate for a teacher to talk with their students about their opposite-sex spouse/partner.

But there are people who do. The law specifically and deliberately empowers the most unreasonable.

Are you suggesting that it's ok to label people based on the way those of similar demographics behave?

I’m asking how many slurs until a label is warranted. But also yes, at some point there needs to be consideration of the company that is kept and those that are supported. High level supporters are using the term “groomers” to describe opponents. It has also been used by a number of posters in this thread and others. The author of the legislation also has a history of comments, including those related to his motivations crafting the legislation.

 

[GoofGoof]

Apparently your light hearted joke turned into a bit of a Texas bashing party. Because of course it did. Lol. I don’t blame you though.

Yeah sorry

I don’t mind visiting Texas and actually find it quite enjoyable……in the Winter

Of course with the pace Disney builds if they do relocate WDW to Houston by the time it opens my kids will be out of school and then I will be able to visit in the Winter so maybe not a bad plan

 

[JoeCamel]

There is one but given recent comments I’m guessing nobody knows it exists, or that Fried runs it.

I know but there is a huge gap in what they actually inspect, he already wants brownshirts

 

[Brian]

But there are people who do. The law specifically and deliberately empowers the most unreasonable.

I’m asking how many slurs until a label is warranted. But also yes, at some point there needs to be consideration of the company that is kept and those that are supported. High level supporters are using the term “groomers” to describe opponents. It has also been used by a number of posters in this thread and others. The author of the legislation also has a history of comments, including those related to his motivations crafting the legislation.

So are we to take a vanishingly small number of people, and castigate an entire political ideology for it?

 

[GimpYancIent]

Yeah sorry

I don’t mind visiting Texas and actually find it quite enjoyable……in the Winter

Of course with the pace Disney builds if they do relocate WDW to Houston by the time it opens my kids will be out of school and then I will be able to visit in the Winter so maybe not a bad plan

I lived in Texas for some years I remember actually going to Astro World amusement / water park. Actually a Disney entertainment property there would work, hey the risk of hurricanes / thunderstorms is no better or worse than Florida.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I’m sure this is going to open a can of unrelated worms, but it speaks to a troubling pattern of which the district dissolution legislation appears to be a part. Text messages from Representative Fine were released this weekend in which he threatens funding as retaliation because a political opponent was invited to an event. We even see the same sort of language that has been used regarding Disney, ”Smart move is to cancel with apology for wading into politics.” If his statements during the special session were not damning enough, I now expect discovery to unearth even more that will plainly demonstrate the retaliatory intent of his legislation.

Florida Rep. Randy Fine threatened Special Olympics funding over school board member feud, texts show

Florida Rep. Randy Fine has denied he threatened to get the state funding pulled or that he ever spoke about firing the West Melbourne city attorney.

www.floridatoday.com

Wow, what a piece of garbage and a spoiled little brat. Threatening funding for the Special Olympics over a personal grudge???

 

[JoeCamel]

Wow, what a piece of garbage and a spoiled little brat. Threatening funding for the aSpecial Olympics over a personal grudge???

Heeerrrrrreeessss Randy!!

 

[Brian]

Wow, what a piece of garbage and a spoiled little brat. Threatening funding for the aSpecial Olympics over a personal grudge???

Yeah, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person I'd want to grab a beer with.

 

[GladToBeHear]

Regardless of whether they identify as conservative or liberal, those who think that children should be shielded from hearing any sort of reference* to LGBTQI people or relationships are expressing discriminatory beliefs. Homophobia and transphobia are the terms applied to such discrimination.

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* By “reference”, I mean the kinds of things that a straight teacher would talk about with their students (e.g., their spouse, their own children, etc.). I do not mean anything that can be considered “indoctrination” (spoiler: you can’t turn kids gay or trans).

ETA: I do not believe that those who are homophobic or transphobic are automatically bad people who can’t unlearn their bigotry. My parents were homophobes before learning that their son is gay. Even I had long-internalised homophobia that I had to work many years to get rid of.

I believe that discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation for 5-8 year olds belongs at home -- with the parents. Does that make me homophobic/transphobic?

 

[LittleBuford]

I believe that discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation for 5-8 year olds belongs at home -- with the parents. Does that make me homophobic/transphobic?

Not if you also believe that mention of straight relationships should likewise be banned from the classroom.

 

[GladToBeHear]

Not if you also believe that mention of straight relationships should likewise be banned from the classroom.

Discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation. Period.

That's why this bill exists. Take discussion on gender identity and sexual orientation out of the classroom for 5-8 year olds. Let this be taught at home. By the parents. Where it belongs.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So are we to take a vanishingly small number of people, and castigate an entire political ideology for it?

You keep trying to make this about specific ideological groups as though you know anything about my wider political positions. You don’t.

When a group excuses or rationalizes the bad actions of a small sub set then that is a problem. It becomes even worse when those few are in positions of power and leadership. The end does not justify the means and there is guilt with known association. This constant making of excuses because someone self identifies with a group is not good for the group itself or society at large. I will always respect the person with whom I disagree that acts in good faith more than the one who acts in bad faith but seeks the results I want. Motivations matter.

If our neighborhood is experiencing a problem with crime and we support Councilwoman Sue’s plan, I will drop my support in a heartbeat if I hear her talking about how her plan will finally deal with the [insert slur]s and get them out of the neighborhood, and I very much have the same expectation of others. There is nothing good or admirable or respectable about making excuses for the bad actions of our group members. My problem is very much that more and more I see this type of behavior from those with whom I should have a lot more policy agreements.

 

[LittleBuford]

Discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation. Period.

The problem with this is that “discussion” is a very vague term. Is it discussion when a male teacher simply speaks about his husband? And would anyone supporting this bill really have a problem if another male teacher were to speak about his wife?

 

[LittleBuford]

Why does a teacher need to talk to their students about anything having to do with their personal life? Did you know anything about your teachers' sex lives when you were in school?

I knew if my teachers were married. I think most teachers share basic details of their home lives, just as most people do.

I knew nothing about their sex lives, of course. That’s a very different thing from simply knowing the gender of someone’s partner.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Why does a teacher need to talk to their students about anything having to do with their personal life? Did you know anything about your teachers' sex lives when you were in school?

Yes, I did, because we used different honorifics based on the female teachers’ marital status. As members of the local community we also sometimes saw them outside of school.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Regardless of whether they identify as conservative or liberal, those who think that children should be shielded from hearing any sort of reference* to LGBTQI people or relationships are expressing discriminatory beliefs. Homophobia and transphobia are the terms applied to such discrimination.

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* By “reference”, I mean the kinds of things that a straight teacher would talk about with their students (e.g., their spouse, their own children, etc.). I do not mean anything that can be considered “indoctrination” (spoiler: you can’t turn kids gay or trans).

ETA: I do not believe that those who are homophobic or transphobic are automatically bad people who can’t unlearn their bigotry. My parents were homophobes before learning that their son is gay. Even I had long-internalised homophobia that I had to work many years to get rid of.

We are exposed to sexuality at very young ages. I remember being a tiny child and watching a man and woman kiss and express affection towards each other in other ways. It’s only a problem and an “agenda” when it involves homosexual/bisexual/trans people. Now we suddenly need to think about the children and make sure we don’t talk about sexuality around them. Okay.

 

[GladToBeHear]

We are exposed to sexuality at very young ages. I remember being a tiny child and watching a man and woman kiss and express affection towards each other in other ways. It’s only a problem and an “agenda” when it involves homosexual/bisexual/trans people. Now we suddenly need to think about the children and make sure we don’t talk about sexuality around them. Okay.

This is about WHO should be talking to young children about those things. Not IF.