mikejs78
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I would agree with that. Our political discourse has gotten too hung up on name calling than actually discussing things of substance.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Brian
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Absolutely. Not to mention (at the risk of sounding corny), to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin in The American Adventure: "We are more alike than we are different."
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Ehh. Tough one and I really don’t have a clear opinion to be honest. In principle, I support dissolving the district. I have felt that way for a number of years. But of course this bill is a response to Disney’s response to the previous bill. Whether that is a violation of anything, I have no idea. I wouldn’t be surprised either way. Do Florida’s actions sit well with me? Not 100%. The escalation to this was probably unnecessary. slightly concerning. But I don’t see this as a new direction. This is more than 20 years in the making with contributions from many groups. And to frame it as disney simply exercising speech isn’t exactly honest imo. They consistency throw around their political weight and they have a lot of it. Tried to do the same thing in Georgia. They wanted to play the game and it not them. And now we pretend like they are helpless little victims? They aren’t. Doesn’t mean I don’t believe that corporations don’t have a right to get involved in politics or voice opinions. They do. But where does the line of protection end is what I’m interested in. Citizens United set a certain precedent and we will see where this goes.
MickeyLuv'r
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Politics aside... Most schools have zero tolerance for some offenses. If a teacher is convicted of a crime, they are probably not going to be allowed to continue teaching, especially if the crime involved drugs or sexual misconduct.
Also, students today tend to be very vocal. At the slightest whiff of anything they deem inappropriate- they are not silent. Especially at the middle and high school levels.
Teachers are strictly bound in some ways. They can't show an R-rated film, for example.
Discussing race, sexuality and religion have also long been fraught subjects to discuss in the classroom. In some contexts they can be discussed, but parents have long had the ability to object.
Chip Chipperson
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Negatively impacted AND additional parties to a lawsuit. DVC owners would absolutely demand that DVC management pursue legal remedies.
Polkadotdress
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HB 3C’s House sponsor, State Rep. Randy Fine (R), admitted on Wednesday he had not met with anyonefrom Disney, RCID, or Orange or Osceola County government to discuss the impact that repealing RCID might have before putting the bill forward.
Further, the latest “statement from Tallahassee uses vague language about increased taxes, that it’s neither the “understanding” or “expectation” that taxes will increase for citizens.
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I don’t understand why people think the RCID is so evil? What has it done in the last 55 years other than fully support its mission?
Brian
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I have read your post several times over, and I have yet to be able to figure out what your point is.
Brian
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Personally, I'm mad at them because they didn't build their much-ballyhooed nuclear power plant.
Polkadotdress
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The point: the sponsor of the bill did no research to see what the effects would be, and as a result, certainly cannot have any concrete info as to what the solution will be to resolve the issues.
The workload alone to untangle the legalities of RCID and rewrite the regulations are tremendous, and can’t be taken on with the staff that exists in either counties currently.
Brian
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I agree with that, and have agreed with portions of that on several occasions in the nearly 200 pages of this thread.
My discussion with the member I was responding to in that post was related to media coverage of the RCID legislation; I brought up DeSantis et al's lack of plan at the beginning in an attempt to stay focused on the issue of media coverage, rather than the discussion reverting back to something we both already agreed on.
lazyboy97o
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Yes, I am okay with that because it’s action and reaction. It’s the same thing, if there is a plan it should be presented. Nonspecific claims regarding future actions that cannot be substantiated or refuted should not be presented as equal to actions that have occurred.
I was avoiding mentioning the war, but it is very much an example of how this automatic presentation of “the other side” can be weaponized and dangerous. At the beginning of the invasion Reuters was just regurgitating Russian claims because they had an agreement with TASS as part of “presenting the other side”. It is a repeated claim from those pushing Russia’s narratives, you can’t trust what Western media is reporting because they’re not presenting “the other side” equally.
Brian
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It sounds like we're going to have to agree to disagree. That said, I respect you sticking to your guns.
lazyboy97o
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There have been some rather negative incidents over the years. The District has done things like sought things like state and federal funding which is limited, meaning it didn’t go to another government. Married to the Mouse chronicles a number of incidents and really is worth a read.
GoofGoof
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Fair enough. It’s more clear cut to me this is a problem. I fundamentally disagree that Disney wanted to play the game and now they are getting what they deserve. The game is politics and we are all free to play as citizens and that includes corporations. It’s wrong for any person in political office to use the power of their office to get back at someone (including a corporation) who oppose them. I would have been perfectly fine if the Governor came out with a harsh statement back criticizing Disney or if any of the bill sponsors publicly suggested a Disney boycott or even tried to organize a shareholder revolt on their private time. That’s playing the game and any one of them as a private citizen has the same right to play. Using the power the people have given to you to punish a political opponent is not the same thing. It crosses a clear line to me.
This is somewhat similar to when Christie closed the bridge in NJ to get back at a mayor that didn’t support him for re-election. The big difference is that was met with harsh criticism and basically ruined Christie’s political career. This action is being applauded. It’s crazy how much has changed in the last decade or so.
Sort of like how everyone started calling it the “Don’t say gay” bill at once?
GoofGoof
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Here is an interesting read on the potential impact of dissolving RCID on DVC owners from DVCnews.com:
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If what they are saying here is accurate then there would likely be a decrease in DVC dues since roughly half of the taxes paid today go to RCID and those taxes would go away. There would then be a potential increase in taxes paid to Orange County but the potential tax increase for all Orange County tax payers (including DVC owners) is estimated at around 25%. So roughly a 33% decrease in property taxes for owners.
Its also interesting to note that nearly 25% of the taxes paid into RCID come from DVC owners and not TWDC directly. It surprises me the number is that high.
What the Loss of Reedy Creek Improvement District Potentially Means for DVC Owners | DVCNews.com - The essential Disney Vacation Club resource!
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has signed legislation to dissolve the Disney-run municipality known as Reedy Creek Improvement District. What does this mean for Disney Vacation Club owners? (Note: T
If what they are saying here is accurate then there would likely be a decrease in DVC dues since roughly half of the taxes paid today go to RCID and those taxes would go away. There would then be a potential increase in taxes paid to Orange County but the potential tax increase for all Orange County tax payers (including DVC owners) is estimated at around 25%. So roughly a 33% decrease in property taxes for owners.
Its also interesting to note that nearly 25% of the taxes paid into RCID come from DVC owners and not TWDC directly. It surprises me the number is that high.
correcaminos
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As a DVC owner who is so jaded I say "riiiiiiight" I read the article earlier though with interest. Just our MFs like never go downHere is an interesting read on the potential impact of dissolving RCID on DVC owners from DVCnews.com:
What the Loss of Reedy Creek Improvement District Potentially Means for DVC Owners | DVCNews.com - The essential Disney Vacation Club resource!
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has signed legislation to dissolve the Disney-run municipality known as Reedy Creek Improvement District. What does this mean for Disney Vacation Club owners? (Note: T
If what they are saying here is accurate then there would likely be a decrease in DVC dues since roughly half of the taxes paid today go to RCID and those taxes would go away. There would then be a potential increase in taxes paid to Orange County but the potential tax increase for all Orange County tax payers (including DVC owners) is estimated at around 25%. So roughly a 33% decrease in property taxes for owners.
Its also interesting to note that nearly 25% of the taxes paid into RCID come from DVC owners and not TWDC directly. It surprises me the number is that high.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Using the math they gave and a 25% increase in Orange County taxes it’s about 57 cents a point decrease in duesAs a DVC owner who is so jaded I say "riiiiiiight" I read the article earlier though with interest. Just our MFs like never go down
They will probably charge us for part of the legal costs to take this to court so the best we can hope for…..breakeven