News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[BWV2013]

Celebration isn't part of RCID, though, is it?

According to the map on the RCID website, Celebration does appear to be part of RCID

 

[flynnibus]

According to the map on the RCID website, Celebration does appear to be part of RCID

It is not

 

[peter11435]

Celebration isn't part of RCID, though, is it?

It is not. The land designated as celebration was de annexed from RCID for obvious reasons. It was however organized as a Community Development District. A concept we will likely be hearing a lot about over the next year.

 

[GimpYancIent]

TWDC owned land is still TWDC owned land that does not change regardless of RCID. WDW will still be WDW and what the visitors and guests experienced prior to this RCID issue they will continue to experience. GENIE+ is an issue the visitors and guests are and will be concerned with not whether RCID exists or not.

 

[peter11435]

According to the map on the RCID website, Celebration does appear to be part of RCID

No. Celebration is not part of RCID. Although the district does control a belt of land around Celebration on three sides.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

The legislature saw an opportunity to score political points with yet another culture war issue that doesn’t actually exist.

I’m looking forward to watching the malicious compliance some teachers are already talking about. Since the bill prohibits any classroom instruction or discussion of gender identity, there can be no more Mrs/Mr, boy/girl, mom/dad. No gendered dress codes. No telling kids which bathroom to use. The list goes on and on….

Sounds like a good way to get fired for insubordination.

 

[BWV2013]

No. Celebration is not part of RCID. Although the district does control a belt of land around Celebration on three sides.

I stand corrected. Zoomed in on the map and now clear that Celebration is not part of RCID.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Am I the only one who still thinks this is never actually going to happen?

I think the GOP fully agrees with you that this is never actually going to happen. That was the whole point. This is a hostage situation, basically.

While I have huge issues with Woke culture, I'm not going to deny that this move is basically DeSantis pointing a gun at Disney's head and saying "STFU until I'm finished with my Presidential run, or else. Stay quiet, and everything turns out fine for you."

Now excuse me while I go listen to American Pie (the song, not the movie) and bemoan the state of American culture today.

 

[MandaM]

Sounds like a good way to get fired for insubordination.

How is it insubordinate? The bill literally says that there can be no classroom instruction or discussion of gender identity. And as everyone likes to point out, the bill doesn't say gay. So, it has to mean no discussion of any gender.

 

[thomas998]

The fact that other parties are injured as collateral damage does not negate an action being a first amendment violation. Especially when the action was specifically stated to be meant to harm one of the parties for them exercising a protected action.

It’s great that you think companies should not involve themselves in politics that are not related to their operations. However that doesn’t change the law. Companies are allowed to do what Disney did and are constitutionally protected to do so.

Other groups were impacted because other special privileges were determined to have no valid purpose. The fact is there are some that still exist. I know the media loves to say it is only because Disney p***d off the governor but there is no evidence that was the only reason behind the repeal. And I never said companies were allowed to babble about anything they want... but it isn't smart business when it draw attention to you for the wrong reasons. Frankly Disney babbling about this would have been just as stupid if Reedy Creek didn't even exist because it alienate a large portion of the people they are trying to make a profit off of.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

How is it insubordinate? The bill literally says that there can be no classroom instruction or discussion of gender identity. And as everyone likes to point out, the bill doesn't say gay. So, it has to mean no discussion of any gender.

It actually says "instruction" (not "discussion"), but regardless it's insubordinate because it's malicious and because no reasonable person would believe telling a kid where the men's bathroom is located constitutes classroom instruction on gender identity or sexual orientation. But by all means, I fully encourage all of the zealots to tell their department heads that they no longer intend to use the prefixes Mr. or Mrs. while in the building because it's classroom instruction of gender identity.

 

[MandaM]

Other groups were impacted because other special privileges were determined to have no valid purpose. The fact is there are some that still exist. I know the media loves to say it is only because Disney p***d off the governor but there is no evidence that was the only reason behind the repeal. And I never said companies were allowed to babble about anything they want... but it isn't smart business when it draw attention to you for the wrong reasons. Frankly Disney babbling about this would have been just as stupid if Reedy Creek didn't even exist because it alienate a large portion of the people they are trying to make a profit off of.

There are 1844 special districts in FL, including Daytona Speedway and neighborhoods like the Villages.

Republicans have been quite vocal about the fact that they targeted Disney because of its speaking out against the bill -- including DeSantis, the bill's sponsor, the Speaker of the House, and more. There are multiple quotes on this thread from politicians making it quite clear why they enacted the bill, if you'd like to search. The Lt. Gov even said that if Disney changed its stance on the bill, the legislature would get rid of the bill. It's not the media saying it's because Disney angered the governor: it's Republicans themselves saying it. And that's illegal under the First Amendment.

 

[MandaM]

It actually says "instruction" (not "discussion"), but regardless it's insubordinate because it's malicious and because no reasonable person would believe telling a kid where the men's bathroom is located constitutes classroom instruction on gender identity or sexual orientation. But by all means, I fully encourage all of the zealots to tell their department heads that they no longer intend to use the prefixes Mr. or Mrs. while in the building because it's classroom instruction of gender identity.

The bill says both discussion and instruction, which I believe has repeatedly been pointed out.

Ah, but the teachers aren't just going to tell kids where the bathroom is. They're going to have to explain that girls go to girls' bathrooms and boys go to boys'. That's clearly instructing about gender identity, which the bill made illegal. Teachers can't talk about spouses, or have pictures on their desks, as that could lead to gender identity discussions. I'm not sure what they do about pregnant teachers, as that makes gender identity obvious when kids inevitably ask about it.

Be careful what you wish for. Or at least write better bills.

 

[LittleBuford]

Anyone that thinks this will blow over and Disney won't suffer any brand damage isn't grasping the scope of this situation. It's not just this bill.

Anecdotal, sure, but being the Disney Nuts in our very large (both geographically and number of people) social circle, we have had countless people ask us if we'll ever go to Disney again. Agree with their positions, or not, the brand damage has happened and appears to be extensive.

Disney is playing political games that are now having political consequences. I wish them the best of luck. Personally Chapek needs to be removed. Not just because of this recent controversy, but his endless cutting away at what makes WDW a magical experience.

It cuts both ways. For me and many others, the Disney brand would be damaged if they didn’t hold their ground on this issue. And frankly, if people who support such laws decide to stop visiting WDW, I would be happy about it.

 

[LittleBuford]

So, Disney is to become a premium brand only for your political and social agenda? You plan to financially support them?

The decision isn't mine to make—if people opposed to Disney's stance choose to stop visiting WDW, that's on them and them alone. I have no interest in policing the views of other guests (live and let live, I say), but if fewer homophobes and transphobes end up visiting the parks because of this, why wouldn't I be happy about it as a gay man?

 

[MandaM]

Simply not true. Also, which other central FL theme park has a special district?

Everything I posted was true. What do you have a disagreement with?

Which other theme park asked for a special district? Universal is 500 acres, Sea World is 200, Disney is 28,000. Apples and oranges. And when Reedy Creek was formed, Orlando was a swamp without the facilities and infrastructure to support Disney. They might not have been able to build without the special district.

 

[ohioguy]

All companies should stay out of the political arena or risk losing half the population. Disney should just stick to entertainment!

Shut up and sing, right?

If that's the case, they shouldn't be allowed to lobby or get tax breaks, either.

 

[Diamond Dot]

I know that but the government considers a corporation a life entity. As such, the company didn't say it, nor have they made any move yet, to make threats themselves. Chapek is the CEO but he is also separate form of life entity and he has to be harmed directly to be a victim. I know it is very closely related, but it is the company itself that is being harmed by Florida's action. If Florida wants to know what is possible they should think about Disney selling out to someone that just wants to scrap the whole place and sell it for parts. Florida is possibly, literally biting the hand that is feeding them. Florida is also sending the message that any company will not receive special offers to establish themselves in Florida and even if they did, one wrong word and they can lose that offer after then have invested there. Dictatorship has no heart and no friends, only people to afraid to call BS on all of them. If current leadership wasn't so near sighted and childish they might look down the road, but apparently the old saying that one would have to be an idiot to be a politician is true. However, the public that put them in there, is even dumber.

Perhaps Abigail Disney would like to form a consortium to take over Walt Disney World and run it the way she thinks it should be, after all, she is always so incredibly vocal and she could put her money where her mouth is

 

[castlecake2.0]

The State of Florida should claim a huge acreage through eminent domain to build sustainable affordable housing within RCID, thereby fulfilling the district’s original intent of being an experimental, prototype city of tomorrow.

Disney announced two weeks ago theyre building an affordable housing project.

According to the map on the RCID website, Celebration does appear to be part of RCID

correct, Celebration is pretty much an island surrounded by Reedy Creek lands, with random pockets of drainage systems interwoven. Fun fact though is the towns telecommunications is managed by Reedy Creeks phone operator SmartCity.

 

[Imhere]

This all may turn out as politics used to be.

Big bold moves by each side gain tons of press, but, when the negotiations end everything gets so watered down a change is hardly recognized.

The "Don't say discussion", law may not bring any classroom changes except by the most egregious.

Any grand modifications to the RDIC may be distasteful to both parties.

Once both parties have wrung out the maximum of bluster a new shiny thing will appear.

Shows that open with great fanfare frequently close quietly in the dark of night.