News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[lazyboy97o]

I've seen quite a few people say that EPCOT had nothing to do with RCID as if they know this for a fact . My question is, how do we know for 100% certainty that IS fact? Does anyone happen to have meeting minutes between Disney reps and FL legislators that prove EPCOT was or wasn't used in their lobbying efforts? Are there some newspaper articles of the time that quote anyone from Disney or the state regarding EPCOT's role in creating the RCID as evidence one way or the other? If there is concrete proof then, great I'd love to see it! Otherwise none of us can say without a shadow of doubt that Walt's promise of EPCOT had absolutely nothing to do with the FL state legislature's decision to create the RCID. It's all speculation based on various bits of evidence we have. So therefore, it's an opinion and cannot be stated as fact.

As for my personal opinion, I agree with @Cliff that the promise EPCOT did play some role. It may not have on been the sole reason they created RCID, but it did play a role.



Just because someone has an opinion that differs from yours, that doesn't mean they're "pushing an agenda". We're merely expressing our viewpoint.

We have the original Reedy Creek Improvement District charter and the State Supreme Court decision.

And they allowed Disney specifically to build an actual NUCLEAR power plant..."not"...to power the futuristic CITY of the promised EPCOT...but, instead, the nuclear power plant could be used to power and protect the "natural resources" of the land they were maintaining.

Disney can still build a nuclear power plant. Private companies are allowed to build, own and operate nuclear power plants in the US and Florida.

Well?...I also believe that more RCID shadiness WILL come to light in the months that follow.

Yep...I know the last sentence will really trigger some people. They will say "You terrible person!...how dare you have a hunch or suspicion about RCID without hard facts to back it up!!"

Calling it a “hunch” is just trying to hide that it’s a lie. No shadiness has even come to light for there to be more.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh,....this is interesting. Did Disney's "old" RCID board offer unfair property tax rates on assessed Disney property?

I dont know....but the new CFTOD commission will find out soon. I will almost bet my very life they will find out more much than just this.

But again,...this is just "speculation" (no,....not a "lie') by everybody involved until they release hard evidence of what they find to the public. This link starts half way into this but the beginning is also very interesting.

The counties, not the district, handle property assessment.

You have been provided evidence including original documentation. You have clearly chosen to ignore it and instead chosen to just “speculate” (make things up) instead. So yes, you are making statements you know are not true.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Fight brewing over law enforcement on Disney property

The people DeSantis appointed to the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District want to take over a program that pays for off-duty deputies at the theme parks.

www.wesh.com

 

[Cliff]

The counties, not the district, handle property assessment.

You have been provided evidence including original documentation. You have clearly chosen to ignore it and instead chosen to just “speculate” (make things up) instead. So yes, you are making statements you know are not true.

And the millage rate on the assessment?

So if we speculate on what team is going to the Super Bowl, or speculate how a company stock will perform or speculate who will win a public election or speculate what will happen in a war.....to "you", that is all just "lying".

Wow,...you have a REALLY broad definition of the word. To the rest of the world, "lying" and "speculating" are two very different things.

 

[RamblinWreck]

And the millage rate on the assessment?

So if we speculate on what team is going to the Super Bowl, or speculate how a company stock will perform or speculate who will win a public election or speculate what will happen in a war.....to "you", that is all just "lying".

Wow,...you have a REALLY broad definition of the word. To the rest of the world, "lying" and "speculating" are two very different things.

How are you imagining there are shenanigans with the mileage rate on an assessment they have never been involved in?

 

[Tha Realest]

We have the actual reasons listed in the charter that was passed by the State of Florida that says the district was created to preserve natural resources and attractions and the creation of vacations sports and attractions

Residential communities are mentioned numerous times in the charter as well

 

[lazyboy97o]

And the millage rate on the assessment?

So if we speculate on what team is going to the Super Bowl, or speculate how a company stock will perform or speculate who will win a public election or speculate what will happen in a war.....to "you", that is all just "lying".

Wow,...you have a REALLY broad definition of the word. To the rest of the world, "lying" and "speculating" are two very different things.

What about the millage rate? It is a public record. It is higher and in addition to the county rates. The funds it generates are part of the budget, a public record. So what are these shenanigans?

They are different things. Speculation is not just making things up. “I think the Cowboys are going to make it to the Super Bowl” is not the same as “I think the Cowboys are going to make it to the Super Bowl because they’ve been cheating all season.” Even more so when claims to cheating are repeatedly shown to be false. Speculating becomes lying when it is done to present false information as plausible.

 

[LSLS]

And the millage rate on the assessment?

So if we speculate on what team is going to the Super Bowl, or speculate how a company stock will perform or speculate who will win a public election or speculate what will happen in a war.....to "you", that is all just "lying".

Wow,...you have a REALLY broad definition of the word. To the rest of the world, "lying" and "speculating" are two very different things.

Wait, the millage rate? That's the thing the new board actually LOWERED, right? So, Disney was purposely paying a higher millage rate than they should have been, and you are calling corruption on it?

 

[donsullivan]

Wait, the millage rate? That's the thing the new board actually LOWERED, right? So, Disney was purposely paying a higher millage rate than they should have been, and you are calling corruption on it?

That's the part that people keep getting wrong on this. Disney is paying the full property tax rate of Orange and Osceola counties based on the properties that span each district. Then, on top of that they are paying property taxes to RCID/CFTOD for the services provided within the district. This ridiculous talking point that they were getting some sort of corporate welfare has always been false and ridiculous. They pay more in property taxes than everyone else in order to take care of what they need themselves. RCID takes care of the roads, and water and sewer and emergency services instead of the counties paying for it.

 

[Cliff]

Look,...I'm not saying the CFTOD is all right here. I was looking up some of those board members this morning and I'm NOT liking what I see. This paster Ron Peri seems to have said some pretty whacky things that don't sit well with me. No!,..I do NOT want "activists" in RCID/CFTOD. I do not want activists that are "pro-Disney" OR "anti-Disney". Ultimately,..in a perfect world...I want CTOFD to be FAIR and NEUTRAL to everybody and without corruption. But dang,...this is an unrealistic dream.

I just have this suspicion that this RCID/CTOFD district is NEVER going to fly the way it's supposed do...no matter who get's on the board. lol (Oh,.....legal note: This statement is hearsay, hypothetical and NOT factually supported)

 

[Chi84]

You have been provided evidence including original documentation. You have clearly chosen to ignore it and instead chosen to just “speculate” (make things up) instead. So yes, you are making statements you know are not true.

For the record, I asked y'all to stop replying...

You did. You’re absolutely right.

Because the intent is probably to derail, not discuss.

 

[Cliff]

No,...I have no intentions to "derail" any plan or narrative here.

If this forum is supposed to be an RCID "safe space", believe me, I'm not trying to ruin that. That would be a futile goal anyway here. But no,...a normal discussion is the only thing I'm interested in. I have no dastardly "intentions" of any kind.

 

[mightynine]

Because the intent is probably to derail, not discuss.

Ain’t no “probably” about it.

 

[James Alucobond]

Ultimately,..in a perfect world...I want CTOFD to be FAIR and NEUTRAL to everybody and without corruption. But dang,...this is an unrealistic dream.

I just have this suspicion that this RCID/CTOFD district is NEVER going to fly the way it's supposed do...no matter who get's on the board. lol (Oh,.....legal note: This statement is hearsay, hypothetical and NOT factually supported)

What specifically was not fair or neutral about the way it ran for the past half century? What was being done that ran counter to the original charter and intention? Why was it repeatedly left alone even when re-examined in the past?

How do you imagine that transferring all power to select the board to a person who has publicly stated that he wants the primary resident, employer, and developer of the area to suffer will make things fairer?

 

[Cliff]

https://elibrary.law.psu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1309&context=pselr

Here is a Penn state Law Review paper the details many RCID structural criticism and complaints. It also highlights some good things too and has a focus on Disney/RCID environmental impact.

RCID structural complaints and criticism did NOT start in the past year. Both parties have been complaining about it for decades. In the end,...everybody just looked the other way. (until recently)

No,..this paper has nothing to do with Disney's "current" political activism. This was written in 2006.

More RCID criticism in this article from 2001

Walt Disney World

web.archive.org

The decades of RCID complaints are endless. You can Google them yourself. You can throw out anything form from the past year and just look at the writings before all this Florida vs Disney issue started.

 

[LSLS]

https://elibrary.law.psu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1309&context=pselr

Here is a Penn state Law Review paper the details many RCID structural criticism and complaints. It also highlights some good things too and has a focus on Disney/RCID environmental impact.

RCID structural complaints and criticism did NOT start in the past year. Both parties have been complaining about it for decades. In the end,...everybody just looked the other way. (until recently)

No,..this paper has nothing to do with Disney's "current" political activism. This was written in 2006.

I mean, again, who said it hadn't been discussed before? Pretty sure @lazyboy97o has talked MULTIPLE times about there being a study commissioned by the legislature (think it was early 2000's? He can weigh in more). Heck, the law review even praises the agreement in most of it's conclusions, while cautioning that you'd be hard pressed to find one that works this well elsewhere for both parties.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I mean, again, who said it hadn't been discussed before? Pretty sure @lazyboy97o has talked MULTIPLE times about there being a study commissioned by the legislature (think it was early 2000's? He can weigh in more). Heck, the law review even praises the agreement in most of it's conclusions, while cautioning that you'd be hard pressed to find one that works this well elsewhere for both parties.

I had referenced the study done by the legislature several times back in March. It’s a 2006(? Pretty sure) report by the Department of Governmental Accountability office. Anyone can Google the report

 

[TtocsMc]

I‘m not trying to change the subject, and we can go right back to discussing the millage rate, but I was just checking out the CFTOD Facebook page and was surprised to see that while ”abolishing“ DEI from the District, the majority of the interns they have been parading about seem to be in the minority demographic. Isn’t that kind of the opposite of what the administrator said they’re doing? Or do I not understand how DEI works?

 

[Cliff]

I‘m not trying to change the subject, and we can go right back to discussing the mileage rate, but I was just checking out the CFTOD Facebook page and was surprised to see that while ”abolishing“ DEI from the District, the majority of the interns they have been parading about seem to be in the minority demographic. Isn’t that kind of the opposite of what the administrator said they’re doing? Or do I not understand how DEI works?

Nobody needs DEI to hire minorities. If your company does not have DEI...then you can simply hire the best people you can find. If they all happen to be minorities? Excellent!....but that shouldn't really matter anyway.

My parents pounded this simple concept into my young brain:

"Cliff,....do not EVER judge people based on how they look....doing that is immoral"

However,...some DEI programs seem to teach society TO judge people by the way they look!!

The exact opposite thing my parents taught me.

 

[TtocsMc]

Nobody needs DEI to hire minorities. If your company does not have DEI...then you can simply hire the best people you can find. If they all happen to be minorities? Excellent!....but that shouldn't really matter anyway.

My parents pounded this simple concept into my young brain:

"Cliff,....do not EVER judge people based on how they look....doing that is immoral"

However,...some DEI programs seem to teach society TO judge people by the way they look!!

The exact opposite thing my parents taught me.

I guess what I’m wondering is were specific schools or students “chosen” for this opportunity because they were the most qualified or because it would be better PR for the administrator if they were a certain demographic.