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[JoeCamel]

Still curious where this housing would go. Where does the district own enough land to do that?

Median of World Drive........

 

[LAKid53]

Still curious where this housing would go. Where does the district own enough land to do that?

Good question.

 

[LAKid53]

CFTOD board members aren't getting paid either, and I'm sure the per diem sucks.

If it's the same as the state's:

Breakfast: $6
Lunch: $11
Dinner: $19
44.5 cents per mile
Reasonable hotel at single occupancy rate

Or $80 a day.

However, if his official headquarters are Orlando, he doesn't get per deim to travel to Tally to visit the wife.

"(4) OFFICIAL HEADQUARTERS.—The official headquarters of an officer or employee assigned to an office shall be the city or town in which the office is located..."

 

[Figgy1]

Still curious where this housing would go. Where does the district own enough land to do that?

Unless they try and use eminent domain to steal a hotel or 3

 

[LAKid53]

Unless they try and use eminent domain to steal a hotel or 3

The state has to provide a justification for seizing property through eminent domain. And provide fair compensation. Furthermore, if there are leases associated with the property...think those of us who are DVC members with a condomized leasehold...that complicates the process.

 

[mikejs78]

Zoning is at times contrary to the desires of property owners and potentially detrimental to their interests. That’s not new, it should not be illegal and definitely should not trigger personal liability.

Carry out actions for the appointing authority that they haven’t been granted permission to perform.

But isn't there a case for that here? The districts charter is still about promoting tourism, and zoning is supposed to be done based on the interests of the land owners - it's in the new charter. So how does affordable housing fit.wktj that authority, as well as such things as COVID regulations?

 

[lazyboy97o]

But isn't there a case for that here? The districts charter is still about promoting tourism, and zoning is supposed to be done based on the interests of the land owners - it's in the new charter. So how does affordable housing fit.wktj that authority, as well as such things as COVID regulations?

The motivation is separate from the claims that there are inherent problems with just the act of hiring an urban planner or that certain actions trigger personal liability. A government involved in land use should consult professionals. A government can make zoning decisions an owner doesn’t like and does not take on personal liability for doing so, whether that is generally or in the specifics of the District.

The argument for affordable housing from the perspective of promoting tourism is easy to make. You need a workforce to support year-round tourism and tourism wages have not kept pace with the cost of housing. Both Universal and Disney have already initiated projects so they too recognize the relationship.

 

[LAKid53]

But isn't there a case for that here? The districts charter is still about promoting tourism, and zoning is supposed to be done based on the interests of the land owners - it's in the new charter. So how does affordable housing fit.wktj that authority, as well as such things as COVID regulations?

Can you cite the section of the new charter that states such? The Charter clearly provides the Board the authority to enact zoning regulations, even if said regulations conflict with Orange and Osceola Counties.

SB 252, signed into law by the governor on 5/11/2023, prohibits both government and businesses from mandating mask coverings or requiring proof of vaccination:

"(3)(a)(1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include any business operating in this state, may not require any person patrons or customers to provide any documentation
certifying COVID-19 vaccination with any vaccine defined under subsection (2) or postinfection recovery from COVID-19, or require a COVID-19 test, to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business operations in this state or as a condition of contracting, hiring, promotion, or continued employment with the business entity."

"(5)(a) A business entity or governmental entity may not
require a person to wear a face mask, a face shield, or any other facial covering that covers the mouth and nose. A business entity or governmental entity may not deny any person access to,e ntry upon, service from, or admission to such entity or
otherwise discriminate against a person based on such person’s refusal to wear a face mask, a face shield, or any other facial covering that covers the mouth and nose."

 

[GoofGoof]

Sigh. Now everyone wants to argue for the sake of arguing. His wife is being appointed to the state Supreme Court. He was being sued in his capacity as supervisor of CFTOD. He is removing himself as a potential conflict of interest. It's as simple as that. Put another way, the husband of a state Supreme Court Justice was being sued by Disney.

It’s ok that we disagree. In no way would I think it was acceptable for his wife to not recuse herself if this comes before the FL Supreme Court. His resignation is meaningless for that. She still has to recuse herself so why would he need to resign? His resignation does nothing to resolve her conflict of interest. I don’t know the guy personally, but I assume if he is relocating to Tallahassee (as someone else said) that would be a much more likely reason to resign.

 

[LAKid53]

The motivation is separate from the claims that there are inherent problems with just the act of hiring an urban planner or that certain actions trigger personal liability. A government involved in land use should consult professionals. A government can make zoning decisions an owner doesn’t like and does not take on personal liability for doing so, whether that is generally or in the specifics of the District.

The argument for affordable housing from the perspective of promoting tourism is easy to make. You need a workforce to support year-round tourism and tourism wages have not kept pace with the cost of housing. Both Universal and Disney have already initiated projects so they too recognize the relationship.

And if one wants to take the government's ability to make zoning decisions that a property owner doesn't like...or eminent domain...to the extreme, only need to look at SCOTUS' decision in Kelo v New London. In which the majority ruled that the acts of the City of New London didn't violate either the 5th Amendment's Taking Clause or the 14th Amendment's Due Process. Furthermore, the decision interpreted "public use" as "public purpose"...and not for the first time.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think that's merely a thinly veiled attempt to get people on the left to denounce low income housing projects so that they can then have a "look how hypocritical they are, they don't actually want low income housing" and "if it's good enough for my city, it's good enough for Disney's" moment. I doubt there's any serious consideration being given to that idea.

So basically lets waste everyone’s time…..again. I 100% agree that the people pushing this care nothing about providing affordable housing.

 

[LAKid53]

It’s ok that we disagree. In no way would I think it was acceptable for his wife to not recuse herself if this comes before the FL Supreme Court. His resignation is meaningless for that. She still has to recuse herself so why would he need to resign? His resignation does nothing to resolve her conflict of interest. I don’t know the guy personally, but I assume if he is relocating to Tallahassee (as someone else said) that would be a much more likely reason to resign.

His resigning removes the conflict. He is no longer a member of the Board and would not be if...and when...an appeal reaches the Florida Supreme Court.

 

[GoofGoof]

His resigning removes the conflict. He is no longer a member of the Board and would not be if...and when...an appeal reaches the Florida Supreme Court.

He directly took part in the decision to file the lawsuit. He voted yes to go forward with it. If the lawsuit was filed after he resigned I would agree that his former involvement on the board doesn’t automatically create a conflict of interest for her, but she should not rule on a case where her husband initiated the claim.

 

[Touchdown]

IT DOES NOT MATTER

1. Any federal case trumps a state case
2. As Disney has already filed, the legislation makes this case moot. It was filed to allow the new board to not honor a previous contract, the legislation provides for this thus its moot. The relief the plaintiffs seek has already been provided.

 

[flynnibus]

If the fact his wife was appointed to the court was the reason to resign, why not just say that? There has to be more to it, because no one would question that. Plus it can't be the travel issue because they can use zoom and still vote and be part of the meeting.

Just seems like more to lose than to gain from staying… it’s not like he’s dropping off the gov/gop nice list

 

[LAKid53]

IT DOES NOT MATTER

1. Any federal case trumps a state case
2. As Disney has already filed, the legislation makes this case moot. It was filed to allow the new board to not honor a previous contract, the legislation provides for this thus its moot. The relief the plaintiffs seek has already been provided.

1. Only if the issue being litigated falls within the Supremacy Clause.
2. That is a matter for the state court to determine.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Maybe Sasso took the gig because his wife thought it would help her getting appointed.

And now he’s quitting because he never wanted it in the first place.

 

[Stripes]

Maybe Sasso took the gig because his wife thought it would help her getting appointed.

And now he’s quitting because he never wanted it in the first place.

It seems to me that Sasso has been the least engaged in public meetings. He hardly ever speaks.

 

[peter11435]

You asking that any judge, who's spouse acting as an agent of a unit of government, participated in an action as part of their official duty as said agent PRIOR to appointment to a specific court, recuse themselves. After the spouse resigned to avoid conflict.

Resigning doesn’t remove conflict.

 

[LAKid53]

Maybe Sasso took the gig because his wife thought it would help her getting appointed.

And now he’s quitting because he never wanted it in the first place.

She was the chief judge for the 6th DCA, appointed by DeSantis in January 2023. Board members were nominated in February 2023.

Prior to that, she was a judge on the 5th DCA, appointed by DeSantis in January 2019.

She was also deputy general counsel for then Governor Rick Scott. While working for Scott she vetted both judicial candidates and Judicial Nominating Commission members. She's not an unknown in state conservative circles. And she's a member of the Federalist Society.

Candidates for a supreme court justice in Florida apply for the job. Their applications are reviewed by the Nominating Commission which then forwards a list of nominees to the governor. The governor must, by law, appoint a judge only from that list.