Rapid Fill Mug Program Fails (at more ways than you might think)

[LuvtheGoof]

I have a lot of problems with MM+ but 100% of those complaints have to to with being a local and no reserve availability for those of us who don't plan more than a couple of days ahead, and with bugs and gremlins that are still prevalent in the system when it comes to accessing and making plans and reservations.

And yet I can get a FP for Soarin', or Test Track, EE, Safari, FotLK, RnRC, TSMM, and many at MK - all on March 16th only 8 days away. It isn't as bad as portrayed by some here. Same with ADRs.

ETA: I just checked for Friday - 2 days from now, and I can get a FP+ for every single ride with only 2 exceptions - 7DMT and FEA. If you are local, then you go at rope drop for those 2, and FP+ the others.

 

[Laketravis]

Again, off topic, but I find it amazing how the availability of an FP days or weeks away from an actual park visit is now perceived to somehow be better than FP availability on the day you are actually in the park.

 

[RustySpork]

Did they have to develop the technology? They've had multiple patent lawsuits filed as part of this program and even settled with at least one of them which I'm sure contributes to the long term cost. Let's not pretend like the app is anything more than a glorified Open Table system.

That's their claim, dispute it with them if you have an issue with it. There is a ton of backend and infrastructure work involved even if it is a glorified open table system.

And yet I can get a FP for Soarin', or Test Track, EE, Safari, FotLK, RnRC, TSMM, and many at MK - all on March 16th only 8 days away. It isn't as bad as portrayed by some here. Same with ADRs.

ETA: I just checked for Friday - 2 days from now, and I can get a FP+ for every single ride with only 2 exceptions - 7DMT and FEA. If you are local, then you go at rope drop for those 2, and FP+ the others.

We should all live and play exactly like you do. There should be no flexibility at all for anyone who isn't just like you.

 

[ford91exploder]

I would agree somewhat but in this case they settled with a company who had developed an RFID based consumer tracking system which used low range and high sensors to track movement. The only difference really was that they marketed it as a security feature and not an experience feature.

The things Disney added in a rubber bracelet, MM head sensors and interactive features(which never worked) are not that substantial.

That being said I absolutely love the MB portion of MDE but let's not pretend this was some kind of Earth shattering invention.

I believe that company sold the system for use at Assisted Living complexes for Alzheimers patients so if they wandered away they could be easily located.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

We should all live and play exactly like you do. There should be no flexibility at all for anyone who isn't just like you.

I was responding to your statement:
I have a lot of problems with MM+ but 100% of those complaints have to to with being a local and no reserve availability for those of us who don't plan more than a couple of days ahead
And simply refuting your assertion that you can't get a FP+ a few days out. Isn't true. I guess it doesn't matter what the reality is, you are not going to like it. Fine.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Again, off topic, but I find it amazing how the availability of an FP days or weeks away from an actual park visit is now perceived to somehow be better than FP availability on the day you are actually in the park.

And yet when we would go to the parks on our schedule, which wasn't always at rope drop, we could never get a FP for a time we wanted. It always ended up being during dinner, or when we wanted to be at a different park. So yes, the new system - for us - is MUCH better than the old system. Obviously, from the comments here, some don't like it. Well, we didn't like the old system. Doesn't matter what they do, some will not like it.

 

[RustySpork]

I was responding to your statement:
I have a lot of problems with MM+ but 100% of those complaints have to to with being a local and no reserve availability for those of us who don't plan more than a couple of days ahead
And simply refuting your assertion that you can't get a FP+ a few days out. Isn't true. I guess it doesn't matter what the reality is, you are not going to like it. Fine.

Since when is 8 days a couple? Also, what about 7DMT in two or three days? What if I'm working that morning and can't rope drop? You're not refuting anything, you're just trivializing my very valid criticism to suit your own personal agenda.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Since when is 8 days a couple? Also, what about 7DMT in two or three days? What if I'm working that morning and can't rope drop? You're not refuting anything, you're just trivializing my very valid criticism to suit your own personal agenda.

If you actually read my post, I added a check for this Friday, and the only 2 attractions resort-wide not available were FEA and 7DMT.

Well, under the older FP system, all FP for the entire day would be gone by 10am, so you wouldn't get to ride anyway unless you stand in line. And are you really that big of a fan of 7DMT? A decent kiddie coaster?

Oh, and I am NOT trivializing your statement, but yes, I am refuting your statement that FP+ is not available just 2 days out. With only 2 exceptions for the entire resort, you can get a FP+. You never mentioned that 7DMT was a requirement, so thanks for moving the goal posts like lots of people around here that don't deal in reality. I suppose next you'll complain that you can't get into CRT the day before either.

 

[RustySpork]

If you actually read my post, I added a check for this Friday, and the only 2 attractions resort-wide not available were FEA and 7DMT.

So, two days out 7DMT is not available. That's my point. There is no RESERVE availability for AP holders.

Well, under the older FP system, all FP for the entire day would be gone by 10am, so you wouldn't get to ride anyway unless you stand in line. And are you really that big of a fan of 7DMT? A decent kiddie coaster?

I haven't said the old system is better. I like MM+ and FP+. It doesn't matter if I like it, there is more than one person in my party.

Oh, and I am NOT trivializing your statement, but yes, I am refuting your statement that FP+ is not available just 2 days out. With only 2 exceptions for the entire resort, you can get a FP+. You never mentioned that 7DMT was a requirement, so thanks for moving the goal posts like lots of people around here that don't deal in reality. I suppose next you'll complain that you can't get into CRT the day before either.

I never moved the goal post, and I also didn't say there wasn't any availability. Try again

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I have a lot of problems with MM+ but 100% of those complaints have to to with being a local and no reserve availability for those of us who don't plan more than a couple of days ahead, and with bugs and gremlins that are still prevalent in the system when it comes to accessing and making plans and reservations.

I never moved the goal post, and I also didn't say there wasn't any availability. Try again

I guess my reading comprehension is lacking, as the original post I quoted stated "no reserve availability". So yes, you stated no availability. And then, since you never mentioned the 7DMT availability, then yes, you moved the goal posts to state no availability for that one ride. Guess I don't understand that when I pointed out that you were completely wrong in your assertion, that you couldn't simply admit it, and move on.

Since we are way off topic (and one that I couldn't care less about and has been argued endlessly around here), I am bowing out of this conversation and leaving it to y'all. Have a nice day.

 

[RustySpork]

I guess my reading comprehension is lacking, as the original post I quoted stated "no reserve availability". So yes, you stated no availability. And then, since you never mentioned the 7DMT availability, then yes, you moved the goal posts to state no availability for that one ride. Guess I don't understand that when I pointed out that you were completely wrong in your assertion, that you couldn't simply admit it, and move on.

Since we are way off topic (and one that I couldn't care less about and has been argued endlessly around here), I am bowing out of this conversation and leaving it to y'all. Have a nice day.

I'm very sorry that you don't know the difference between overall availability (100% of 100%) and reserve availability (N% of 100%). I was wrong to assume that you had more than simple comprehension skills. My sincerest apologies for that. I'm also sorry that you couldn't have known that I would want a FP+ for the most popular ride at MK. My mistake for having expectations greater than nil.

I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Well, under the older FP system, all FP for the entire day would be gone by 10am, so you wouldn't get to ride anyway unless you stand in line.

Bologna. Maybe during peak times FP's would be gone by 10am, but at most other times of the year, that is complete bunk. There were multiple occasions where we were able to get FP's for Space Mountain at 7pm for 60-90 minutes later, sometimes even later if the park was open later than 9pm.

The new FP+ system no longer treats all guests as equals, which is my biggest problem with it.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Bologna. Maybe during peak times FP's would be gone by 10am, but at most other times of the year, that is complete bunk. There were multiple occasions where we were able to get FP's for Space Mountain at 7pm for 60-90 minutes later, sometimes even later if the park was open later than 9pm

This was our experience as well. We didn't visit during peak times, rarely made rope drop, and had no issues getting FPs throughout the day - including for the mountains. The only consistent issues were Soarin' and TSMM, and we did try to get to the parks close to RD those days if we could. For Soarin', we were generally able to get a second set of FPs for only 1-2 hrs out from the current time. TSMM was really the only terrible ride, WRT legacy FP (in our experience)...and if they would have built the 3rd track back then, it would have helped that issue tremendously.

 

[jakeman]

Bologna. Maybe during peak times FP's would be gone by 10am, but at most other times of the year, that is complete bunk. There were multiple occasions where we were able to get FP's for Space Mountain at 7pm for 60-90 minutes later, sometimes even later if the park was open later than 9pm.

The new FP+ system no longer treats all guests as equals, which is my biggest problem with it.

How often were you able to get FPs for TSMM or Soarin if you arrived in the afternoon?

The old FP system was biased towards people who arrived earlier in the day and therefore unequal in that regard.

It's kind of the same bologna as saying that you're required to plan your whole vacation 180 days out. There are rare times of the year where that is true, but it's generally a falsity.

 

[Angel Ariel]

How often were you able to get FPs for TSMM or Soarin if you arrived in the afternoon?

It was just posted by a PP that 2 *days* beforehand, there are no FPs to be had for FEA and SDMT. That's the same situation, on a different scale.

While the old system may have been biased to people who arrived earlier in the day, the new system is biased to people who plan ahead. Both systems are unequal, just in different ways.

It's totally fine to say the new bias works for (g)you while the old one didn't...it's not OK to act like this system is somehow any more equal than the one before it.

(edited to correct the post, as I attributed statements to jakeman that were said by LuvtheGoof).

 

[jakeman]

You just said yourself that 2 *days* beforehand, there are no FPs to be had for FEA and SDMT. That's the same situation, on a different scale.

While the old system may have been biased to people who arrived earlier in the day, the new system is biased to people who plan ahead. Both systems are unequal, just in different ways.

It's totally fine to say the new bias works for you while the old one didn't...just don't act like this system is somehow any more equal than the one before it.

I didn't say that.

Both systems had/have their flaws, but to a majority of the detractors of FP+ there is a pervasive talking point that you must plan your whole vacation at or near the 180 day mark or you will be locked out of a majority of the offerings at Walt Disney World. It's been demonstrated repeatedly that with the exception of literally two attraction on property that this is not the case.

It's interesting that the mad rush to TSMM or Soarin for a legacy FP that was sometimes literally hours after the park opens was never seen as an issue, but applying the same thought process to FEA and SDMT (getting there at rope drop to be one of the first in line) is somehow abhorrent. That's not directed at you, just a general observation of the double standard.

 

[L.C. Clench]

That's their claim, dispute it with them if you have an issue with it.

They are also now claiming the rock work in Pandora is an "attraction" so I'm not sure what Disney claims is super reliable. At least they didn't try to add FP+ to that "attraction".

 

[Angel Ariel]

Both systems had/have their flaws, but to a majority of the detractors of FP+ there is a pervasive talking point that you must plan your whole vacation at or near the 180 day mark or you will be locked out of a majority of the offerings at Walt Disney World. It's been demonstrated repeatedly that with the exception of literally two attraction on property that this is not the case.

Likewise, to a majority of legacy FP detractors there is also a pervasive talking point that if you didn't get to the parks first thing in the morning, all of the fastpasses were gone for the day. It's also been demonstrated repeatedly that that was really only true for 2 attractions on property. (The exceptions for both FP and FP+ being peak weeks, where availability is an issue due to lack of capacity yet also having capacity crowds).

I do agree that there are double standards...they aren't solely held by the legacy crowd, though.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I didn't say that.

And you're right, you didn't make the statements about FEA/SDMT availability or FP+ working better for you. I was thinking of LuvtheGoof's posts. I apologize for attributing that to you - I will correct my previous post

 

[jakeman]

And you're right, you didn't make the statements about FEA/SDMT availability or FP+ working better for you. I was thinking of LuvtheGoof's posts. I apologize for attributing that to you - I will correct my previous post

Look, if you're going to be level-headed and reasonable and willing to retract statements, I'm not sure we're going to be able to appropriately internet fight...

Likewise, to a majority of legacy FP detractors there is also a pervasive talking point that if you didn't get to the parks first thing in the morning, all of the fastpasses were gone for the day. It's also been demonstrated repeatedly that that was really only true for 2 attractions on property. (The exceptions for both FP and FP+ being peak weeks, where availability is an issue due to lack of capacity yet also having capacity crowds).

I do agree that there are double standards...they aren't solely held by the legacy crowd, though.

I'm sure there was hyperbole with regards to the legacy FP system, but I've been around here a while and I don't recall it ever coming close to the dogmatic opposition to FP+, especially with the erroneous talking point of 6 month planning being a requirement for even a modicum of enjoy at WDW.