Quality of Illuminations

PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Quality wise, I'd say the timing of teh shells seems to be getting better of late. However when things go wrong, they really seem to be blatent. The largest problem of late has been a lack of wind and an overabundance of smoke.

As for the pyro barge, i'm glad that there are so many safety redudancies that sometimes it doesn't go. Thats Liquid Propane Gas we're playing with, and i wouldnt want to be anywhere near that stuff if something goes wrong. Although the show does look weird without it....

The globe - While boring sometimes, I think its that the images are hard to see. While its a 2 story tall, Its still hard to see sometimes. Not sure how to fix that.... same with the water barges. You cant see the water that well. I'd love to see them replace the barges with larger water nozzels, maybe 6 inches? Make them go higher so more people can see.

And i'll take my ROE any day of the week over fireworks set to classical music.
 
MrPodar

MrPodar

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ISTCNavigator57 said:
And it's so perfect..."When you wish upon a star, your dreams...coooooommeee....truuuuuuuuuuueeee" ~HUGE firework~ "so make a wish, and do as dreamers do..." Then those bright fireworks go right on top of the gold lit sky above Cinderella Castle abruptly to the equally abrupt "MAKE A WISH!"...Oh...so perfect. Lol...I need a life.
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Ah... Wishes!

ITSCNavigator57, I know the feeling. I get teary eyed whenever I watch Wishes too. I saw it for the first time when we took my Dad to WDW for his 61st birthday (10/12/2003).

This video doesn't nearly capture the magnificence of that pyrotechnic burst you're talking about, but I recorded it digitally so I could watch it later. I recorded this near the old Swan Dock on the South eastern side of the castle:

http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/WDW-Movies/wishes-ending-swandock-5-8-2004.wmv (6.1 MB, 3 minutes, 17 seconds)

The burst happens at about the 2:33 mark in the video. And it doesn't compare to how it looks in person. It literally fills the sky, so anyone who hasn't seen it should definitely stay to see it next time you're visiting. :)

In case you'd like to see the whole thing, here's the beginning (viewed from the same location:

http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/WDW-Movies/wishes-beginning-swandock-5-8-2004.wmv (7.0 MB, 3 minutes, 17 seconds)

And the middle, recorded on the bridge leading into Adventureland (near the Crystal Palace):

http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/WDW-Movies/wishes-4-21-2004.wmv (11 MB, 7 minutes, 4 seconds)

Hearing the kids cheering and "ooo'ing and aaah'ing" chokes me up everytime.

Enjoy!

- Skip :)
 
MrPodar

MrPodar

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New Year's Eve Fireworks vs Illuminations

ISTCNavigator57 said:
Cost is probably a really big reason. With Wishes being vastly more expensive than Fantasy in the Sky, they need to distribute money better.
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Ok, maybe you can answer a question for me. How many pyrotechnics do they send up on New Year's Eve at Epcot? Not only do they do 2 showings of RoE, but they send up a HUGE number of fireworks during the countdown and midnight display.

If you've never seen it, here are two links:

One's the entire display (Countdown to midnight, and stroke of midnight onward) as a severely compressed .WMV file:

http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/WDW-Movies/newyears-countdown-100-total.wmv (5.0 MB, 8 minutes, 10 seconds)

And the other is just the last 90 seconds (10 second countdown and the 80 second post midnight display):

http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/WDW-Movies/newyears-countdown-384-last90seconds.wmv (5.2 MB, 2 minutes, 22 seconds)

I swear they must send up an entire week's worth in one night. Definitely worth fighting the crowds to see it at least once. :)

- Skip :)
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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it's gotta be thousands of shells...but the crowds they get in the parks on New Years Eve more than pay for it lol. Realize that every night, Wishes uses about 800 shells while IllumiNations uses about 1100, and I could easily see those numbers doubling on New Years Eve.
 
boo52

boo52

Active Member
Woody13 said:
Just to clear up any misunderstanding, pyrotechnic devices are regulated in the United States by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) which is a division of the Department of Treasury and the Department of Transportation respectively.
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Well not exactly. As of January of 2003, the ATF is now part of the Department Of Justice. When the transfer happened, the ATF combined with the Department of Explosives and became the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"Title XI of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 (18 U.S.C. Chapter 40) establishes controls over explosive materials, including black powder and other pyrotechnic compositions commonly used in fireworks. Part 55 of Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), contains the regulations which implement Title XI. § 55.141(a)(7) exempts "the importation and distribution of fireworks classified as Class C explosives and generally known as 'common fireworks,' and other Class C explosives, as described by U.S. Department of Transportation regulations in 49 CFR 173 .100(p),(r),(t),(u), and (x)."

§ 55.141(a)(7) does not exempt "special fireworks" (often referred to as "display fireworks") which are classified by the Department of Transportation as Class "B" explosives. The exemption applies only to "common fireworks" in a finished state classified by the Department of Transportation as Class "C" explosives (49 CFR § 173.100)."

Therefore, call them what you will, but Class B & C explosives are defined in the law.
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Well I will call them 1.3G and 1.4G because the DOT reclassified them in 1995. Class B and C no longer exist "in law". They were reclassifed to Class C = U.N. 0336 1.4G, Class B = U.N 0335 1.3G. You can read more about it here http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safetyprogs/hm/complyhmregs.htm under Hazardous Material Table. As for the § 55.141 quote above. The Orange Book you quoted that from is outdated. That law was rewritten in 2000 to reflect these changes. http://www.atf.gov/explarson/fedexplolaw/
 
Woody13

Woody13

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boo52 said:
Well not exactly. As of January of 2003, the ATF is now part of the Department Of Justice. When the transfer happened, the ATF combined with the Department of Explosives and became the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Well I will call them 1.3G and 1.4G because the DOT reclassified them in 1995. Class B and C no longer exist "in law". They were reclassifed to Class C = U.N. 0336 1.4G, Class B = U.N 0335 1.3G. You can read more about it here http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safetyprogs/hm/complyhmregs.htm under Hazardous Material Table. As for the § 55.141 quote above. The Orange Book you quoted that from is outdated. That law was rewritten in 2000 to reflect these changes. http://www.atf.gov/explarson/fedexplolaw/
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Very good! You are indeed a powder monkey. :wave: So, you're saying that these changes were made for no reason? You have already pointed out that AFT(E) is now under DOJ. Where is DOT now? :animwink:

Also, if you read my orignial post you'll find I used the reclassified designations. :wave:
 
wannab@dis

wannab@dis

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Woody13 said:
Very good! You are indeed a powder monkey. :wave: So, you're saying that these changes were made for no reason? You have already pointed out that AFT(E) is now under DOJ. Where is DOT now? :animwink:

Also, if you read my orignial post you'll find I used the reclassified designations. :wave:
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