Pros & Cons

WDWFREAK53

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Original Poster
I'm looking into the DVC (within the next year) and I was wondering if you guys could tell me the pros and cons of it and how it differs from other timeshares.

I will be going at LEAST once a year for the next...well, however long I'm alive.

I don't really get the "point system" all that much...and how do you know how many points to purchase???
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
I'm looking into the DVC (within the next year) and I was wondering if you guys could tell me the pros and cons of it and how it differs from other timeshares.

I will be going at LEAST once a year for the next...well, however long I'm alive.

I don't really get the "point system" all that much...and how do you know how many points to purchase???


Pros:

DVC will save you money IF

1) You go for about a week about once a year - at least
2) You can schedule your vactions well in advance (it really does not make financial difference, but DVC tends to fill up in popular times, and last minute bookings may not be available)
3) You stay in deluxe level resorts (or want to stay in deluxe level resorts)

Of course, the more cash you put down up front and the less you finance, the better your savings (as you are not paying interest)

Your vacations are budgeted. You will have your loan and maintence payments. Once your loan is paid off, all you will have is your maintence fee each year.

Cons:

You are "sort of" limited as to what resorts you can stay in. There are a number of DVC resorts in WDW, plus Vero Beach, Hilton Head, and the one under construction at DL in California. You can use your points to stay at just about any resort on property, as well a dozens of hotels around the world, plus the Disney Cruise. The reason I say "sort of" is because there is a $70 transferr fee to use points at a non-DVC place and if you do the math, the dollar value for the number of points you spend is not worth it. It's "cheaper" to pay cash. However if you happen to have a bunch of points that you are not using and you don't want to rent them out, the option to do something beside Disney is there.


Now, how do points work ?

You buy a number of points. Your buy-in and your maintence is based on the number of points you have.

Each room has a point "cost" based on a number of factors

Resort - Some resorts are more than others
Size - Bigger rooms "cost" more
Day of week - Weekends (Fri and Sat nights) are more than weekdays
Time of Year - Just like "normal" WDW rates, there are different seasons (DVC seasons do not match up with WDW seasons)

So how many points do you need? That's hard to say. It depends on how many people are in your family (room size) and how long you plan on staying.

The minimum buy in of 160 points will get you a studio for a week each year. Or possibly a 1 BR for up to 6 days, depending on resort and time of year.

You can also bank points for up to a year, and borrow points from the next year, so if needed you could have three years worth of points available as long as you did not go anywhere the year before or after.



Hope that helps, any more questions just ask. Maybe soon you will be "Welcomed Home"


-dave


Oh, you can also buy more points to add on at a later date if you find you are needing them on a regular basis. Also you can pay cash for rooms if you do not have enough points. Lets say you had enough points for 6 days, but wanted to stay 7, you can pay cash for that extra night.
 

WDWFREAK53

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Original Poster
Right now it's just the two of us...and we definitely go at LEAST once a year. (Usually a week-long vacation...and then a long weekend during a different part of the year).

We do plan on having kids in the future (married next year and trying right away)...and we always plan on going during off-peak times since we don't have to worry about school.

AKL, Contemporary, and Boardwalk are our favorites...and we try to stay in, at LEAST, a moderate when we go...but try to swing for the Deluxes if we can get a decent rate.
 

bgraham34

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I am also looking into joining the club as well. Right now we take a 3-5 night stay at the Wilderness Lodge. Most of the time its 4 nights. We only do short trips because we like to take other vacations that are not Disney. If we join the club we certainly can stay longer than we usually do and it will cost us less than a normal room at the Lodge.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Unfortunately about all I can give you is cons. I looked into DVC twice and we could just not make the numbers work. I don't think many of these apply to your situation but I will put them on the table anyway so you can have as much information as possible.

We take frequent 2 to 4 day trips that always involve either a Friday or Saturday night stay. Point values for Friday and Saturday nights are nearly double that of Sunday through Thursday. Also we have a party of 5 and in most if not all cases a 2br was required to accommodate my family. We also stay in either moderate or value resorts. If we were to keep our current traveling schedule, which was very important to us, we would be required to purchase an insane amount of points. When we calculated our annual maintenance fees alone it was several hundred dollars more per year then we are currently spending staying at the moderates and the values. Granted we would have better accomodations then what we are used to but we have stayed in the deluxe's and while they are great to me they just were not worth the extra coin for just the room.

A few other things about DVC that I did not car for.
1. Mousekeeping is extra. To me there is just something so relaxing about coming back to a freshly cleaned room every night.
2. Having to plan to far ahead. Most of our trips are done about 6 months out max, 3 months or less is far more common.
3. Rates for the non-DVC resorts like the Poly and the Contemporary using DVC points were really out of whack compared to the rack rate.
 

WDWFREAK53

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Original Poster
Unfortunately about all I can give you is cons. I looked into DVC twice and we could just not make the numbers work. I don't think many of these apply to your situation but I will put them on the table anyway so you can have as much information as possible.

We take frequent 2 to 4 day trips that always involve either a Friday or Saturday night stay. Point values for Friday and Saturday nights are nearly double that of Sunday through Thursday. Also we have a party of 5 and in most if not all cases a 2br was required to accommodate my family. We also stay in either moderate or value resorts. If we were to keep our current traveling schedule, which was very important to us, we would be required to purchase an insane amount of points. When we calculated our annual maintenance fees alone it was several hundred dollars more per year then we are currently spending staying at the moderates and the values. Granted we would have better accomodations then what we are used to but we have stayed in the deluxe's and while they are great to me they just were not worth the extra coin for just the room.

A few other things about DVC that I did not car for.
1. Mousekeeping is extra. To me there is just something so relaxing about coming back to a freshly cleaned room every night.
2. Having to plan to far ahead. Most of our trips are done about 6 months out max, 3 months or less is far more common.
3. Rates for the non-DVC resorts like the Poly and the Contemporary using DVC points were really out of whack compared to the rack rate.

Do you have a generic list of point values for different times of year?

I'm just curious as to how many points I'd need to purchase if I kept going at the rate I'm going.

7 day trip...during non-peak time...and a 4 day trip during non-peak time.
For say...a 1 bedroom.
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
I'm looking into the DVC (within the next year) and I was wondering if you guys could tell me the pros and cons of it and how it differs from other timeshares.

I will be going at LEAST once a year for the next...well, however long I'm alive.

I don't really get the "point system" all that much...and how do you know how many points to purchase???

Con: The DVC is not a timeshare. You own nothing... and have nothing to speak for all your money after 50 or so years. Think of it as one big gigantic 50 year rental/lease agreement, with no rights, and nothing in the long run to show for it. :lol::lookaroun
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Do you have a generic list of point values for different times of year?

I'm just curious as to how many points I'd need to purchase if I kept going at the rate I'm going.

7 day trip...during non-peak time...and a 4 day trip during non-peak time.
For say...a 1 bedroom.
I have got a link to a DVC point calculator on my work PC so I will attach it first thing in the morning.
 

DVC Mike

Well-Known Member
Con: The DVC is not a timeshare. You own nothing... and have nothing to speak for all your money after 50 or so years. Think of it as one big gigantic 50 year rental/lease agreement, with no rights, and nothing in the long run to show for it.

Yeah, but what will your typical timeshare look like after 50 years. How long can they keep the property up-to-date and fresh-looking? Would you want to stay in a 75-year old timeshare? Non-Disney timeshares don't retain their value like DVC contracts do.
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Yeah, but what will your typical timeshare look like after 50 years. How long can they keep the property up-to-date and fresh-looking? Would you want to stay in a 75-year old timeshare? Non-Disney timeshares don't retain their value like DVC contracts do.

:lol: You sound just like the DVC pitchman that wouldnt leave me alone back in May. :lol::p;)

No really... word for word.. thats what he said to. :lol:

Meh... the same could be said about a car... but I rather own, than lease. :shrug:
 
:lol: You sound just like the DVC pitchman that wouldnt leave me alone back in May. :lol::p;)

No really... word for word.. thats what he said to. :lol:

Meh... the same could be said about a car... but I rather own, than lease. :shrug:

Gotta tell ya...we're DVC members and it's for several good reasons. One of the main ones is that when my DW and I were trying to decide if we wanted to own DVC or a vacation home, we thought about our friends who own their own like you would rather do. The problem is that they spend all of their vaction time and extra cash working on their "investment" while we relax at one of over 500 locations around the world. Oh, and by the way...ya gotta pay taxes on the places you "own". I don't see the difference if we're paying a maintenance fee instead. As far as the contract only lasting until 2054...I'll be dead by then anyway.:king: I'm not trying to sell you on DVC...I'm saying that what works for us might not work for you...if you don't want to join, then I would rather not have you there anyway...
 

Computer Magic

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Gotta tell ya...we're DVC members and it's for several good reasons. One of the main ones is that when my DW and I were trying to decide if we wanted to own DVC or a vacation home, we thought about our friends who own their own like you would rather do. The problem is that they spend all of their vaction time and extra cash working on their "investment" while we relax at one of over 500 locations around the world. Oh, and by the way...ya gotta pay taxes on the places you "own". I don't see the difference if we're paying a maintenance fee instead. As far as the contract only lasting until 2054...I'll be dead by then anyway.:king: I'm not trying to sell you on DVC...I'm saying that what works for us might not work for you...if you don't want to join, then I would rather not have you there anyway...
Is there a link to show the 500 locations?
 
Is there a link to show the 500 locations?

http://dvc.disney.go.com/dvc/index

Just click on "Destinations" when you get to this page and explore all of the options below...:sohappy:

WDW is not the only place you can go...our last trip was NYC in a five star hotel for two nights. With our DVC membership we also got discount tickets to see Tarzan on Broadway. All in all, with our membership points (I think the rack rate was around $500.00 per night) it was a relatively inexpensive weekend.

My DW and I will do Italy on our points in the near future...maybe on a Disney cruise...:wave:
 

k.hunter30

New Member
:lol: You sound just like the DVC pitchman that wouldnt leave me alone back in May. :lol::p;)

No really... word for word.. thats what he said to. :lol:

Meh... the same could be said about a car... but I rather own, than lease. :shrug:
Now I'm REALLY beginning to like you! :lol:

*hands you another cookie*
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
Con: The DVC is not a timeshare. You own nothing... and have nothing to speak for all your money after 50 or so years. Think of it as one big gigantic 50 year rental/lease agreement, with no rights, and nothing in the long run to show for it. :lol::lookaroun


I took a good long (1.5 year) look at the DVC before I went in.

While I am a big fan of the own a car not lease it group, I was OK with the DVC set up.

I looked at the DVC as a discount plan. The money worked out for me, over the 50 years I will save money. Compared to a traditional time share where you have set weeks, or other restrictions, the DVC worked better for me, even with the 50 year lifespan. My vaction "profile" fit within the (minimal) restrictions of the DVC.

My friends have a time share and they never use it because its too much of a hassle. They have a week, and they wanted to use just 5 days (because thats all they could schedule) and they told the people that they would even use a week, but just go for 5 days. They were told that their contract was Sunday to Sat, and if they did not show up that Sunday, their room would be given away - no options. Sounds like a fun thing to own to me. :)

-dave
 

MaxsDad

Well-Known Member
Freak,

Your travel tendencies seem to fit right in with effective use of a DVC membership. (Contrast to how different your needs are to Yoda's) You said you travel non-peak, but didn't mention how far in advance you know you are going. As an example, I was able to book a room in OKW or Boardwalk Preferred view during April for a stay in August, about 4 months(later changed to AKV). When Kidani village is done, there should be a surplus of rooms available at AKV, making booking there fairly easy, as that new building looks massive on paper, as does the plans for the CR DVC.

To address your original question, I have never owned another "Vacation Plan", "Timeshare", or the like. To me the "difference" is flexibility, Disney Service, and Location, location, location.

Banking rules were recently liberalized. As an example, I have a March use year. I have until Oct. 31 to decide if I want to use my points that use-year or not. If I hadn't already used that year's points, I think I would know by Halloween if I was going to go between then and Feb. 28th. But even if I "Banked" them into next use year, if I later decided to go last minute, and rooms were available, I could still "Borrow" from next year's points to go in this Nov., Dec., Jan, or Feb. Capice?(sp)

You would not be hurtin' in a Studio by the way, with just two of you. Even after child number one arrives, a studio would still be bearable(sarcasm). But, yeah, the 1 and 2 BR's are sweet! Pun intended.

I would agree that it is very much like a lease. However, you can deduct your mortgage interest on the loan if you itemize, just like an owner would. A part of your "Maintenance Fees" are for property taxes, so that is deductible just like an owner. 50 years is a long time. Some of the 50 year old homes in my area are not appreciating anymore, just as this lease may depreciate over 50 years. I know this, with DVC, my grandchildren, and likely their children, will be able to enjoy this membership. Are you enjoying the vacation your great grandparents paid for? How may people do you think are?

My Father in Law recently bought a Motorhome, as he is near retirement. I know what he paid for it (barely used), and what he is going to have to pay in taxes, interest, insurance, and gas. I can't imagine that thing being usable in 15 years, much less 50. And his out of pocket is and will be way above mine. He pays 6 months in insurance alone what I pay for a year in Maintenance fees. His start up price was nearly three times mine. Of course, he needs are different, and his goals are different.

My Father owns a share of a beach house in SC. He has to pay a monthly payment too for upkeep, taxes and insurance. He gets 5 weeks a year, but his payments are more than mine too though. His buy in cost was well above mine, even in 1987 dollars. Ask somebody from Florida about there taxes and insurance cost these last couple of years. People are moving into my area every day from Florida's coastal areas. They tell me Horror stories of $16,000 for taxes and Homeowners Insurance per year on moderate homes. Its a tenth of that here, and they can't believe it. If that type of taxation creeps inland toward Orlando, who will it affect most/first, individual/small developments, or the Walt Disney Company?
 

disbest

New Member
My only recommendation if you decide to buy is to purchase the DVC you wish to frequent the most. The 11 month window is a big advantage. We have found that it is difficult to get certain resorts within the 7 month window such as BC or BWV. Also, keep in mind that some resorts resale values are much higher and tend to appreciate more than others in case you decide to sell years later.
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
My only recommendation if you decide to buy is to purchase the DVC you wish to frequent the most. The 11 month window is a big advantage. We have found that it is difficult to get certain resorts within the 7 month window such as BC or BWV. Also, keep in mind that some resorts resale values are much higher and tend to appreciate more than others in case you decide to sell years later.
I think you make an excellent point. I know I won't be popular by saying this, but some people think it doesn't matter where their home resort is. I've heard them say I can get into any resort without issue. Well, that "might" be true today, but as more people join it will be harder to get into any resort. Disney made a home resort and cost structure for a reason.
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
This is a great topic and well handled. People are not getting affended by hearing the pros and cons.

I have done the math and can't find it benefiting me. I do know, its best to pay the initial contract in cash. Financing can kill the cost benefits.


I know if Adventure by Disney was a better bargin I would be interested. I just think there may be things outside Disney that peak my interest. Don't get me wrong, Disney is my favorite place today, but what about 20 years from now. My taste may change and I have the 30 year contract hanging over my head. 50 years is a long time. What happens if we fall into the Eisner era again and the parks become run down.

so the CON: the future and the unknown.
 

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