Proof of Vaccination or Negative COVID Test required for theme parks soon?

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mickEblu

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Everyone who knows how vaccine works. The “long term side effects” are a completely baseless lie told by anti-vaxxers. If you got violently ill tomorrow you wouldn’t blame the fish you ate six months ago or two years ago.

Let’s all just be honest and say there’s a chance something could happen to you when you take this or any other vaccine. Some people would rather take their chances with the virus. That’s their/ my choice. My wife was just about ready to go get her first vaccine and then heard about my mom and sister and is now scared to go. My wife has been battling chronic hives off and on for a few years and thankfully has gone without having a serious episode for over a year. We’re all but certain the vaccine would send her spiraling. Anytime her immune system is triggered she breaks out. She has some sort of autoimmune disorder going on but no doctor has really been able to figure it out.

As far as long term side effects, Time will tell. You cannot confidently say anything as the vaccines haven’t been around long enough. Are you trying to say long term side effects don’t exist in general?
 

lazyboy97o

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Let’s all just be honest and say there’s a chance something could happen to you when you take this or any other vaccine. Some people would rather take their chances with the virus. That’s their/ my choice.
The chances of something happening are overwhelmingly more likely with the virus. Outside of the allergic reactions that have all been within minutes and are treatable, all of the side effects are something also caused by COVID-19 at a far higher incident rate. It’s a bad choice. It is an illogical choice. You don’t have to worry about your kids being paralyzed from polio because people were denied the right to make a bad choice.

As far as long term side effects, Time will tell. You cannot confidently say anything as the vaccines haven’t been around long enough. Are you trying to say long term side effects don’t exist in general?
There are two things that are intentionally conflated when the phrase “long term side effects” is used. The first is side effects that last a long time. Yes, these are possible with Guillain-Barré Syndrome being the big bad of side effects that can even last a lifetime. These though don’t require more time and study because they present within weeks of the vaccine being administered. Guillain-Barré Syndrome in also an auto-immune issue so it is also caused by the diseases themselves and in every case caused much much much more frequently by the disease than the vaccines. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines it has now been months with millions of doses administered. If these were major issues they would have happened by now.

The whole issue of “needing more time” is around the idea that a side effect could pop up months to years after the vaccine was administered. I can confidently say it is impossible for this to happen. Vaccines are not something that stays in your body until it encounters the virus. The vaccine is used by your body, broken up and discarded. There is nothing there to cause a side effect months or years later. You weren’t saying people should wait years before trying the shawarma at Disney’s California Adventure because nobody knows if it’ll make people sick in a few years. That would be nonsense because the food doesn’t stay in your body that long. It’s the same thing with vaccines, the components are broken down by your body so there is nothing left to cause a side effect years later.
 

J2B

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Wait, are you kidding? I'm laughing because that's exactly where my CDC card is located in a locked drawer; inside my US Passport. That passport case is the only thing sized correctly to hold that CDC card, so I just slotted it in back of my passport.

I already own a leather passport case, and the CDC card automatically fits in it, so I won't be buying a new one on Amazon. 😁



I've never said I haven't seen kids wearing masks in La Jolla (they are generally younger folks for some reason). But that I go into restaurants, shops, groceries, or the Marine Room regularly without a mask and join many others who are maskless. Everyone here remains very friendly to my maskless face. It's a fun town. :)

And no one has ever asked to see my CDC card, in any city or county I have been to in the last six months.
Ah, Okay! This makes perfect sense! Yes, yes, it’s those youngsters hanging out at the local coffee house in Bird Rock!!
PS We love the Marine Room and haven’t been in years!! Have you been to Cantania??! Best Italian food in the hood…lovely outdoor patio!
 

cmwade77

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I’m all for the mandating, as long as there are no health concerns and risks for the child.

I don’t see a difference between having to get this vaccine versus the others.
Except other vaccines at least gave a mechanism I place to get compensation for negative effects, COVID has no such mechanism. The manufacturers can't be sued, which is typical, but other vaccines have a special court that can be used to obtain compensation, the COVID vaccines do not qualify for this, employers that require vaccinations can't be held accountable for all negative health effects (they can for other vaccines). This is one of the reasons it is different.
 

cmwade77

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I do believe that’s why some people are hesitant. We weren’t around when other vaccines were developed, which is understandable to a point. Yes, the COVID-19 vaccine is new, but it’s proven to be effective in keeping extreme cases to a minimum.
They have also proven to have killed a decent number of people and hospitalized even more.
 

lazyboy97o

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Except other vaccines at least gave a mechanism I place to get compensation for negative effects, COVID has no such mechanism. The manufacturers can't be sued, which is typical, but other vaccines have a special court that can be used to obtain compensation, the COVID vaccines do not qualify for this, employers that require vaccinations can't be held accountable for all negative health effects (they can for other vaccines). This is one of the reasons it is different.
A great distortion of the truth. The liability shielding is temporary and the liability is shifted to the government. It is not just the vaccines that are protected but pretty much everything else that has been tried like hydroxychloroquine. There is an established process already in place to compensate those who are injured, but with millions of doses administered the safety is established. The COVID-19 vaccines are amongst the most widely tested and monitored vaccines ever and their safety has been exceptional.

No, I am saying that oppression has always started with "papers please" and we do have to stand up and say enough.
Are you oppressed because you can’t get polio?

They have also proven to have killed a decent number of people and hospitalized even more.
This is a lie.
 
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October82

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They have also proven to have killed a decent number of people and hospitalized even more.

The CDC has identified 3 cases of a blood clotting disorder leading to death following the vaccination with the Johnson & Johnson adenovirus based vaccine. The total number of patients who experienced blood clotting issues is about about 50. This is out of 14 million doses given.

Two cases of blood clotting have been reported after vaccination with the Moderna mRNA vaccine. No similar cases have been reported with Pfizer/BioNTech out of 356 million doses given in the US, and there is no increased risk of blood clotting after vaccination with the mRNA vaccines.

Heart inflammation has been reported in a small number of patients after vaccination with the mRNA vaccine. Vaccine related heart inflammation typically resolves but, as with all heart inflammation, does require medical treatment.

By contrast, blood clotting is a severe but common symptom of Covid-19 infection and effects about 1/3 of hospitalized patients. About 3 million people have been hospitalized with Covid-19 in the US. Heart inflammation is also an extremely common occurrence with Covid-19 infection.
 

Californian Elitist

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Except other vaccines at least gave a mechanism I place to get compensation for negative effects, COVID has no such mechanism. The manufacturers can't be sued, which is typical, but other vaccines have a special court that can be used to obtain compensation, the COVID vaccines do not qualify for this, employers that require vaccinations can't be held accountable for all negative health effects (they can for other vaccines). This is one of the reasons it is different.
And yet didn’t you get vaccinated? Also, highly doubt this.
 

lazyboy97o

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And yet didn’t you get vaccinated? Also, highly doubt this.
Technically half true but presented in a completely misleading manner. The liability protections are an established process to deal with emergencies. When faced with a new disease you want people trying things within reason to find what works. It’s another great example of the nonsensical hypocrisy. People push things like hydroxychloroquine that was tested under these same types of liability protections but turn around and denounce them for the vaccine. Emergency use authorization isn’t enough for the vaccines but a revoked emergency use authorization is fine for hydroxychloroquine and no authorization is fine for ivermectin. Actually experimenting with medications is fine but an approved vaccine with millions of safe doses is out of the question.
 

Californian Elitist

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Technically half true but presented in a completely misleading manner. The liability protections are an established process to deal with emergencies. When faced with a new disease you want people trying things within reason to find what works. It’s another great example of the nonsensical hypocrisy. People push things like hydroxychloroquine that was tested under these same types of liability protections but turn around and denounce them for the vaccine. Emergency use authorization isn’t enough for the vaccines but a revoked emergency use authorization is fine for hydroxychloroquine and no authorization is fine for ivermectin. Actually experimenting with medications is fine but an approved vaccine with millions of safe doses is out of the question.
Yes, this is what I meant when I initially replied. I knew there was a foundational truth to what was being said, but the way it was presented wasn’t exactly true.

Thank you for this.
 

cmwade77

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A great distortion of the truth. The liability shielding is temporary and the liability is shifted to the government. It is not just the vaccines that are protected but pretty much everything else that has been tried like hydroxychloroquine. There is an established process already in place to compensate those who are injured, but with millions of doses administered the safety is established. The COVID-19 vaccines are amongst the most widely tested and monitored vaccines ever and their safety has been exceptional.


Are you oppressed because you can’t get polio?


This is a lie.
No, it isn't a lie nor is a distortion of the truth, the government will not take care of you if you develop lifelong medical complications from the vaccine. There are confirmed well over 6,000 COVID-19 Vaccine related deaths.
 

October82

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Hard for me to provide a citation other than those that I have personally known that were directly killed by the vaccine and those that were hospitalized from it.

If you know someone who died as a result of a side-effect from any of the vaccines, you should definitely reach out to the CDC and let them know to investigate. That would increase the number of vaccine associated deaths from 3 to 4, a 25% increase!

However, here is the best I got for that:

The CDC posts data on vaccine safety and efficacy publicly. There's no need for the suspect middleman. VAERS is not a system for tracking "covid vaccine" deaths, it's a reporting system. Once a report is made to the CDC, the CDC investigates and determines whether a report is factual/accurate and whether there is a plausible connection to, in this case, Covid vaccines.

Since death generally follows life, when giving 370 million doses of a vaccine, some people will, by chance, pass away after vaccination. The CDC still investigates to determine the safety of the vaccines, and has found only a small number (3, perhaps 4 if you're not making things up to win arguments on the internet), of deaths associated with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. As a result of those deaths, the CDC issued new guidance on watching for and treating blood clots after vaccination, and there have no further reported deaths.

It's these kind of basic misunderstandings, which are trivial to check, even on the very page you linked, that destroy any credibility you have. It's fine to think that the government shouldn't mandate vaccination, and it's fine to not choose to get vaccinated yourself - your misunderstandings are your own to deal with - but it's irresponsible of anyone to knowingly share misinformation in the middle of a public health crisis.
 
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BuzzedPotatoHead89

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Hard for me to provide a citation other than those that I have personally known that were directly killed by the vaccine and those that were hospitalized from it.

However, here is the best I got for that:
Using VAERS as a source in this instance is important to track but interpreting data verbatim is literally a miscomprehension of a common correlation vs. causation issue that talking heads have been manipulating for their own purposes.

When you read past the headline there are some important CYA/factoids in the link you shared:

<<The CDC’s website says, ‘Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. This is because the U.S. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC.>>

One more important caveat:

<<Furthermore, anyone can submit a report to VAERS. Most VAERS reports are filed by healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the general public. VAERS welcomes all reports, regardless of the seriousness or how likely the vaccine may have caused the adverse event.>>
 
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