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Project City gone from People Mover

Bacon

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When might that be? ;)
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Brad Bishop

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I'm not going to make a lot of friends for this, but does anyone else feel like the model never really belonged up there? I mean, Tomorrowland never had the most cohesive themeing, but even going with what they gave you it never made sense for a big 1960s-era model of a planned city sitting above an actual city/plaza of some sort of sci-fi future.

I don't know where else they would put the thing in a theme park, and it's not as if the Peoplemover was full of other high-end show scenes (I guess there's that one lady getting a perm) but like the Grand Canyon and Primeval World scenes along the Disneyland Railroad, it makes less than zero sense in context.

I'd argue: maybe.

On the one hand it's a 1960s-era model, as you describe. Hardly the future. On the other hand it's a model of a "future city" which kind of screams the future. I've always been kind of fascinated by it. It's one of the few things in Tomorrowland that actually feels like it has something to do with tomorrow.

The other things along the PeopleMover are kind of dumb by comparison. The woman with her head completely covered in some kind of beauty apparatus, the goofy robot to your right just before you look down at the gift shop, and I think I'm missing one other thing.

I do get what you're saying, though. I don't know if the original model would fit (what's there was cut down from the original) but a nice little walk-through in the old Odyssey restaurant would be cool over in Epcot.
 

Bairstow

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I'd argue: maybe.

On the one hand it's a 1960s-era model, as you describe. Hardly the future. On the other hand it's a model of a "future city" which kind of screams the future. I've always been kind of fascinated by it. It's one of the few things in Tomorrowland that actually feels like it has something to do with tomorrow.

The other things along the PeopleMover are kind of dumb by comparison. The woman with her head completely covered in some kind of beauty apparatus, the goofy robot to your right just before you look down at the gift shop, and I think I'm missing one other thing.

I do get what you're saying, though. I don't know if the original model would fit (what's there was cut down from the original) but a nice little walk-through in the old Odyssey restaurant would be cool over in Epcot.

That could be interesting, especially if there were some suspended walkways over the model.
I'm sure they could line the walls of the exhibition space with all kinds of neat artifacts from the era and EPCOT's planning stages.
That is, IF they were willing to devote such a large space in EPCOT to act as a museum space.
How would they convince the average park guest to go in there, though?

While we're thinking about it, is there any museum out there that would be willing to accept and display the model if it were donated?
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
They did a pretty good job with the Walt Disney walk-through at DHS. While never packed, it was always busy when I'd enter.

The models always got me. Just the notion of: This is what it'd going to look like.. We're going to build THIS!

Yeah, One Man's Dream was always pretty full when I visited it.

I realize that museums are more or less antithetical to the Disney philosophy on theme parks, but maybe it's time for them to consider the concept.
 

bugarwitch

New Member
March 2015, my husband and I spent 5 days at WDW to celebrate our 40th anniversary. Hadn't been there since the 90's with our kids. Tired of battling the crowds to see the fireworks, on our last night, at MK, we devised this great plan- to get on the TTA and time it just perfectly, to see the fireworks, while riding. So romantic, right?! We were so looking forward to the diorama and all! We got on, it started moving, and just before the bend, with the view of the castle- it abruptly stopped. The fireworks went off, but just beyond our view. We sat there, for over 35 minutes, waiting, waiting, waiting, before we were finally "evacuated". (The "tour" through the command central area, was not very magical!) That was the only sad part of our trip, and we were so disappointed!
Planning a do-over this November! Hope, hope, hope the People Mover is up and running well!!! Cross your fingers friends!!!
Loved the article, it was just wonderful!
 

Tavernacle12

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When I was there last week it was there but the narration was gone. Maybe I just hadn't seen the model in awhile but it looked like the main 'city' building at the center was raised up as I could see the flourcent lights below it.
 

montyz81

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I'd argue: maybe.

On the one hand it's a 1960s-era model, as you describe. Hardly the future. On the other hand it's a model of a "future city" which kind of screams the future. I've always been kind of fascinated by it. It's one of the few things in Tomorrowland that actually feels like it has something to do with tomorrow.

The other things along the PeopleMover are kind of dumb by comparison. The woman with her head completely covered in some kind of beauty apparatus, the goofy robot to your right just before you look down at the gift shop, and I think I'm missing one other thing.

I do get what you're saying, though. I don't know if the original model would fit (what's there was cut down from the original) but a nice little walk-through in the old Odyssey restaurant would be cool over in Epcot.
I would argue that "One Man's Dream" plus the entire museum in the Presidio and the entire working model of Progress City belong somewhere in Epcot since E.P.C.O.T. was actually the last thing Walt talked to his brother about. The Odyssey seems as good a place as any since they aren't using it. I'd also vote for either side of Innoventions. Hollywood Studios now seems wrong for it as does Tomorrowland since it isn't as much about tomorrow.
 

Tim Lohr

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I'm not going to make a lot of friends for this, but does anyone else feel like the model never really belonged up there? I mean, Tomorrowland never had the most cohesive themeing, but even going with what they gave you it never made sense for a big 1960s-era model of a planned city sitting above an actual city/plaza of some sort of sci-fi future.

I don't know where else they would put the thing in a theme park, and it's not as if the Peoplemover was full of other high-end show scenes (I guess there's that one lady getting a perm) but like the Grand Canyon and Primeval World scenes along the Disneyland Railroad, it makes less than zero sense in context.

When it was in Disneyland, the Progress City model was the final scene of The Carousel of Progress. It was on the second floor above the Carousel Theater which you reached by going up a speed ramp from the final room inside the theater, and it was also view-able from the Disneyland People Mover. When CoP was moved to WDW in the 1970's though, they ditched the second floor exit, cut down the Progress City model and crammed it into it's spot along the "WED way People Mover" (which was another of Walt's ideas) so in part it was a way to keep some aspect of the Original Disneyland verison of the People Mover/Carousel of Progress ride going in WDW...

Back in the 1970's and early 1980's when Tomorowland was presenting a plausible "real world" vision of the future, the Progress City model fit in well with the rest of the "Wed Way People Mover" narration... along with a "view" from the people mover... but after the actual EPOCT Center opened in 1982, and once Tomorrowland got it's Buck Rogers/Cartoon make over if the early 1990's, it stopped making any kind of sense to me personally. I know people love it, but to me keeping the Progress City model around on the ride is like if the continued to keep the Thunder Mesa/Western River model on display on Main Street... but I think if they could possibly bring themselves to part with the retail space, there should be some kind of WDW museum for stuff like this at Disney Springs, which is near where the original WDW Preview Center was and with Disney Springs retro vibe it would probably be a good fit
 

Bocabear

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When it was in Disneyland, the Progress City model was the final scene of The Carousel of Progress. It was on the second floor above the Carousel Theater which you reached by going up a speed ramp from the final room inside the theater, and it was also view-able from the Disneyland People Mover. When CoP was moved to WDW in the 1970's though, they ditched the second floor exit, cut down the Progress City model and crammed it into it's spot along the "WED way People Mover" (which was another of Walt's ideas) so in part it was a way to keep some aspect of the Original Disneyland verison of the People Mover/Carousel of Progress ride going in WDW...

Back in the 1970's and early 1980's when Tomorowland was presenting a plausible "real world" vision of the future, the Progress City model fit in well with the rest of the "Wed Way People Mover" narration... along with a "view" from the people mover... but after the actual EPOCT Center opened in 1982, and once Tomorrowland got it's Buck Rogers/Cartoon make over if the early 1990's, it stopped making any kind of sense to me personally. I know people love it, but to me keeping the Progress City model around on the ride is like if the continued to keep the Thunder Mesa/Western River model on display on Main Street... but I think if they could possibly bring themselves to part with the retail space, there should be some kind of WDW museum for stuff like this at Disney Springs, which is near where the original WDW Preview Center was and with Disney Springs retro vibe it would probably be a good fit
but why not in EPCOT... the park that was all about looking towards the real future...put a real meaningful Disney museum in...with the full progress City Model, the futurist Disney films they used to run in the Rocket Rods Queue...They could honestly create an amazing permanent exhibition on Walt Disney and the Future...and move COP over as the centerpiece...
 

Tim Lohr

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but why not in EPCOT... the park that was all about looking towards the real future...put a real meaningful Disney museum in...with the full progress City Model, the futurist Disney films they used to run in the Rocket Rods Queue...They could honestly create an amazing permanent exhibition on Walt Disney and the Future...and move COP over as the centerpiece...

Well I was thinking more a museum about the history of the Disney World Resort itself, filled with concept art and models, Disneyland seems to have a lot more of those types of things on their property. I'd rather something like that be at the Springs and not be a ticketed attraction, the general public most likely isn't going to pay to get in one of the parks and sit and listen to a history lesson anyway, I think that's why One Man's Dream is being used as a movie preview center

But yeah you're right, something specifically about the Walt's vision of the future should definitely be at Epcot... maybe one of those CommuniCores they never seem to know what to do with? That probably wouldn't be a bad home for the Carousel of Progress either... although Disneyland is probably the best home for CoP only because you know it would be better maintained and cared for there. Personally I think of the current, "Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow" version of the ride to be the Disneyland version of COP anyway, I prefer "Now Is The Time" regardless because that's the one I grew up with, and miss experiencing... and "Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow" is the song that you used to hear in Horizons, so for me CoP is doubly depressing
 

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