News Primeval Whirl, Stitch's Great Escape and Rivers of Light permanently closed

[BromBones]

I never said wildlife didn’t take up residence there.

Again by you logic they would never build anything anywhere and could never replant a planter. Have you ever seen how many bunnies, ducks, birds, and insects take up residence in their flower and garden displays? I guess they can never replace those now.

Argument ad absurdum. There is a very big difference between moving a planter or some dirt around a flower and excavating massive amounts of dirt and plant life where animals have already chosen to make their nests, burrows and possibly laid their eggs.

But we'll ignore that environmental destruction by Disney in their "environmental preservation park"...because there's profit to be had.

 

[MrPromey]

I don’t think a big budget fantasy adventure film about Figment and Dreamfinder would bomb. At all. Especially with Favreau.

To be clear, I was 100% joking in my original post where I proposed the idea.

 

[BromBones]

Just to be clear. Are you really arguing that Disney caused irreparable damage to the environment by adding Rivers Of Light, and not continuing to support it? Would it have been okay if the show was still active? What are the metrics you are using to measure the loss of habit, and how is a 50mW power production not significant?

Talk about stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny....

That is the assumption YOU are taking from what I said.
I didn't like that they put in Rivers of Light anyway because that was a beautiful, scenic, natural spot.
The "environmental champions" at Disney are anything but. Funny you who cling to the environmental preservation always give Disney a pass for destroying the environment just to build more rides for you to spend your time on.

But go on with your straw man arguments.

 

[peter11435]

Argument ad absurdum. There is a very big difference between moving a planter or some dirt around a flower and excavating massive amounts of dirt and plant life where animals have already chosen to make their nests, burrows and possibly laid their eggs.

But we'll ignore that environmental destruction by Disney in their "environmental preservation park"...because there's profit to be had.

Lol.

Obviously the flower planter discussion is boarding on hyperbole, but it’s not too far off regarding some of the large flower and garden displays where entire trees are moved. And surely you know eggs were laid their too. But your argument is still one that implies that nothing should ever be developed or built.

 

[MrPromey]

What happened for the 2nd version of imagination was an imagineer blunder, not a management issue. I think you know the imagineer who did that since he is right now the head imagineer responsible for Epcot's makeover.

To be fair, the original changes to Imagination were not done in an attempt to modernize or improve the existing ride. They were done to provide a cheap refurb with lower maintenance costs to a sponsor that was seeing their financial prospects wash down the drain with the sweeping revolution of digital photography*.

I mean, what we got was horrendous and the attempt to fix it wasn't much better but I don't think anybody involved in that project thought they were making anything to be proud of at the time.


*Something Kodak actually invented but somehow chose to totally ignore in an effort to save their film business.

 

[BromBones]

Lol.

Obviously the flower planter discussion is boarding on hyperbole, but it’s not too far off regarding some of the large flower and garden displays where entire trees are moved. And surely you know eggs were laid their too. But your argument is still one that implies that nothing should ever be developed or built.

No, It's VERY far off. It was a point made in the absurd because you actually thought it would work...and it didn't.
How do you know eggs were NOT laid there?

And now you go for the Straw Man argument trying to make a point that I never made.
In a park that prides itself on "environmental preservation and consciousness"...it's quite hypocritical to tear out what had developed as a natural environment over years simply to make more money.
The only reason they made the arena for Rivers of Light was to make more money and keep the park open in the evening as well.

You can't be an environmental champion and kill nature or acres of trees without planting new ones.
Isn't that why you environmentalists were so upset with the lumber industry, which led to the banning of paper bags and the recycling push...only to give us plastic bags....which apparently are now bad.
The difference between the lumber industry and Disney is that the lumber industry cuts down acres of trees...but continues to plant acres of new ones. Disney doesn't plant as many new trees as they cut down.

 

[3-D]

To be clear, I was 100% joking in my original post where I proposed the idea.

Well it’s not a bad idea at all. I’ve thought they should develop the Figment and Dreamfinder IPs for years.

 

[tanc]

Bring back extraTERRORestrial

 

[Lirael]

Time to build Kuzcotopia!

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I know this is a joke, but i would actually love it if that were true.

Add a simple falling down elevator type ride where you fall after hearing Izma's "Pull the lever Kronk" and also add some "pet the llamas" corral for the little kids and me (which AK already has) plus a rapid river ride...
...Anyway, since my immersion with AK already went out the window with Avatar, I don't care why, I'd love Kuzco stuff anywhere.

 

[cjkeating]

I hate to say it, but there was no chance of that ride reopening to guests ever.

Why?

 

[trainplane3]

Why?

We should find out when Bio flies next...

 

[NelsonRD]

That is the assumption YOU are taking from what I said.
I didn't like that they put in Rivers of Light anyway because that was a beautiful, scenic, natural spot.
The "environmental champions" at Disney are anything but. Funny you who cling to the environmental preservation always give Disney a pass for destroying the environment just to build more rides for you to spend your time on.

But go on with your straw man arguments.

This is your argument, not mine. I was asking for your clarification on how a 50mW power plant is insignificant, and asked for some metrics on how a stage theater damaged the environment, other then you used to see a few squirrels there.

 

[MrPromey]

Well it’s not a bad idea at all. I’ve thought they should develop the Figment and Dreamfinder IPs for years.

Just remember, their track record for turning attractions into moves is more than a little spotty. Curse of the Black Pearl was great. Haunted Mansion and Country Bears, not so much.

If Jungle Cruise ends up okay, we might be able to forget the 4th pirates movie happened... maybe.

 

[UpAllNight]

Incredible how regional parks have managed to open all over the world without axing any rides. I’d be all for this if replacements are on the cards, but I think we all know Disney are going to go through a long period of absolutely nothing. Best hope is Universal push ahead with Epic Universe and keep Disney on their toes.

 

[AnonymousStitch]

Just remember, their track record for turning attractions into moves is more than a little spotty. Curse of the Black Pearl was great. Haunted Mansion and Country Bears, not so much.

I'm afraid that is not really true of what you said about the Haunted Mansion and Country Bears movies. Only to you they are not great, but not officially. Because there are many people like myself who see otherwise. My parents believe so, because they like the songs in the Country Bears movie. Why we even listen to the soundtrack.

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

Incredible how regional parks have managed to open all over the world without axing any rides. I’d be all for this if replacements are on the cards, but I think we all know Disney are going to go through a long period of absolutely nothing. Best hope is Universal push ahead with Epic Universe and keep Disney on their toes.

I thought these rides were dead (except RoL) anyways....

 

[MrPromey]

I'm afraid that is not really true of what you said about the Haunted Mansion and Country Bears movies. Only to you they are not great, but not officially. Because there are many people like myself who see otherwise. My parents believe so, because they like the songs in the Country Bears movie. Why we even listen to the soundtrack.

So, Country Bears:

4.1 on IMDB, 30% on Rotten Tomatoes and 37% on Metacritic - add that to the fact that the movie had a $35 million budget and only managed to pull in $18 million in the box office and it's fairly safe to say that most of the world (including Disney) see it as having been a dud.

That feels pretty official to me.

I'm glad you liked it but if they make too many jems like that, the company will go bankrupt.

There's been plenty of movies (and other things) I've liked over my lifetime that have bombed with critics and most of the population so don't think I'm trying to judge you, here.

I'm just saying that putting personal tastes aside, there was a lot about the movie most of the world didn't like and the same pretty much applies to Haunted Mansion, although, with marketing budgets added in, that one was probably pretty close to break-even, financially.

 

[AnonymousStitch]

So Country Bears:

4.1 on IMDB, 30% on Rotten Tomatoes and 37% on Metacritic - add that to the fact that the movie had a $35 million budget and only managed to pull in $18 million in the box office and it's fairly safe to say that most of the world (including Disney) see it as having been a dud.

I really don't care about that little thing to be honest.

That feels pretty official to me.

Suit yourself, but it still only an opinion. Like I said, only to you.

I'm glad you liked it but if they make too many jems like that, the company will go bankrupt.

Yes, I sort of get the picture.

There's been plenty of movies (and other things) I've liked over my lifetime that have bombed with critics and most of the population so don't think I'm trying to judge you, here.

I can assure you, I didn't think you were trying to judge me about anything.

 

[tirian]

Bring back extraTERRORestrial

Throw it into the Studios and theme it with the proper Alien franchise.

 

[trainplane3]

Incredible how regional parks have managed to open all over the world without axing any rides. I’d be all for this if replacements are on the cards, but I think we all know Disney are going to go through a long period of absolutely nothing. Best hope is Universal push ahead with Epic Universe and keep Disney on their toes.

I wouldn't say they're axing this because of the situation. It's more of a good excuse to axe them. We knew Stitch was dead unless they really wanted to bring the only theater not dismantled back online. Primeval was barely running before the parks even closed. The last time I saw it running was during a DVC event in February. Every other report was "it's not open" during normal hours. These were two attractions that need replacements anyways. It just depends when they get replaced.

RoL: While it wasn't great especially after We Are One, it was the biggest surprise to see it "retired". I won't count it as gone forever until I see pictures of the floats being torn apart. Until then I'll consider it mothballed.