Primeval Whirl getting stuck

[Castle Cake Apologist]

Originally posted by wdwcrazy
Disney has herd from me about this, and they'll hear about it when I go down there also.

Yeah, and you KNOW your comments are going to mean diddly squat to them after its done and built.

Originally posted by wdwcrazy
We all know they are capable of it (Tokyo DisneySea)[/B]

Ok, that comment right there is so stupid! It doesn't even hold any ground whatsoever. Anyone who knows anything about Tokyo DisneySeas (and Tokyo Disneyland for that matter too), knows that Disney doesn't PAY for anything down there! It is all covered by the OTC, there aren't any money limits! The Imagineers are free to do as they please. Here in the states, we (err.. they, I mean) have such things called budgets that must be set for projects... learn about them. You really need to check before you post! Sheesh!

-Jake

 

[ToTBellHop]

When this ride has 1+ hour waits, I'm sorry, but disney will LAUGH at the people still complaining that this is a carny ride.

 

[ToTBellHop]

and we think http://orlandorocks.com/full_photo....ike all that is left is decorations. 2-14-02 has the same number of supports as http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1314.htm?Picture=1?
In whose dream world?

Look at this HIGHLY THEMED Spinner! Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, WATCH OUT! http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1096.htm?Picture=1

or this! http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery575.htm?Picture=1 I love the FUN blue tarp!

SO MANY SUPPORTS! http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery575.htm?Picture=2

Pure magic! Themed cars! http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery853.htm?Picture=1

Those are all Reverchon Spinning Coasters...I think the pictures speak for themselves.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Yeah, and look at this:

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery455.htm?Picture=3

That may not be by the same manufacturer, but it doesn't really matter as all Wild Mice are pretty much the same. The reason that one and Primeval Whirl have more supports is because they have a lot more track than the ones you posted. A lot of the track is also higher up, too. Look, nobody would pay more for extra supports. Its also very illogical to add more supports than are needed. They are there because they are there, not because Disney said "We want this to look cheap so add as many supports as you can." It just doesn't work that way.

I cannot believe you are defending Primeval Whirl as an expensive, highly themed coaster and then turn around and say the exact opposite about Hulk, a coaster lightyears ahead of Primeval Whirl in every category.

 

[ToTBellHop]

um...excuse me? The ones I posted are Reverchon Spinners. The one you posted is made by Mack and is completely different. All of the Reverchon coasters i showed you have the EXACT same track layout as Primeval Whirl. THE EXACT same layout. Once again...get your facts straight. These coasters are not all the same--this is why people were getting injured riding Mulholland Madness but not on Primeval.

 

[ToTBellHop]

As for your comment about adding supports, disney has ALREADY done this. They have a nice coaster at California Adventure called California Screamin'. Maybe you've heard of it. It has TONS of added supports so it looks like a wooden coaster just like Primeval has tons of added supports so it looks cheap. It is not cheap to buy more steel.

Added supports: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery731.htm?Picture=1

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

Originally posted by Tom Morrow
Yeah, and look at this:

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery455.htm?Picture=3

That may not be by the same manufacturer, but it doesn't really matter as all Wild Mice are pretty much the same.

Maybe it would help if you stuck to the same type of coaster. Primeval Whirl! is a spinning mouse, Wild Maus is just a mouse, trust me... I've ridden it. A very painful mouse at that I might add.

Originally posted by Tom Morrow

I cannot believe you are defending Primeval Whirl as an expensive, highly themed coaster and then turn around and say the exact opposite about Hulk, a coaster lightyears ahead of Primeval Whirl in every category.

And you're saying Hulk is hihgly themed? The only theming it has going for it are some cut outs in the queue and the fact that it's green. I'm sorry, but Hulk was quite possibly one of the most boring coaster I have ever ridden, the most exciting part was the launch and I can get that at RnR Coaster without wasting my time and money at Islands of Misadventure.

 

[Tom Morrow]

So basically, Disney took a cheap coaster clone that exists in 20 other locations, stuck some cheap cutouts on it, and added needless supports. If thats not cheap, I don't know what is. Whats next, Disney adds a Vekoma boomerang (which there are over 40 of) to AK and sticks more cheap cutouts on it??

http://www.rcdb.com/result.htm?column=1,10,3,4,5&order=1,2&production=5
Primeval Whirl can be ridden in 20 different locations, minus the cutouts.

I've already explained how Hulk is themed in that Universal thread. Put simply, Hulk's indoor queue, station, entire building that houses both of those, Launch tunnel (Gamma tube), and 2nd tunnel alone cost more than those cheap cutouts on Primeval Whirl did.
http://198.65.141.42/ioa/mshi/IOA-Hulk-Queue2.jpg
http://198.65.141.42/ioa/mshi/IOA-Hulk-Queue.jpg
Doesn't look very cheap to me.

So you think Hulk is boring, fine, but that is just a matter of opinion. Most thrillseekers love it. If it is so boring, it wouldn't be a top 10 steel coaster.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Yes...Hulk is SO popular! This is why Animal Kingdom, a park which didn't even have any coasters last year, still saw 50% more guests than Islands of Adventure. Again...DON'T RIDE PRIMEVAL WHIRL! The Guests enjoying the ride don't need your pointless babble about needless supports. They are as needless as California Screamin's. I love how quickly you reversed your argument from Primeval having as many supports as any other spinner to it having too many...as if that was your original point. You are being stupid if you say buying more of something is cheap...maybe in whatever planet you come from that is the case. Interesting that you state that Universal's coasters are so far ahead of disney when you and I both know that B&M does all of the theming for the coasters it builds--it's included in the price. With the exception of Dueling's queue, everything is B&M designed. I'm thrilled that a coaster company has the skill to paint tracks green and all...but disney actually did some of its own work with Primeval.

You REALLY don't understand the concept of disney theming. Everything disney does revolves around adding extras to their attractions that are not vital for the functioning of the ride. That's what we call THEMING. Do you think the Tower of Terror REALLY needs the massive structure we call the Hollywood Tower Hotel to be wrapped around the ride system? Do you think Splash Mountain really needs to be built inside a disney-built mountain? No. You don't NEED theming and Universal certainly believes this as they do absolutely nothing with their coaster tracks--just build them and that's it. Disney has always and will always add the extras. You can call them useless but you probably are a Six Flags type then. Interesting thing about the Hulk's queue...what exactly IS all that garbage they have laying around? Do you REALLY know. I'm sure you can give me some label Universal attached to them, but no one REALLY knows what's going on when they ride that...I'm sure the plastic...THINGS, the Buzz Lightyear walls and the tasteless queue rails that are not themed at all cost Universal a FORTUNE. Wait...forgot...B&M included all that in their bill for building the coasters...my bad.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

...And what exactly is Hulk a top 10 coaster on? The Travel Channel?? What shame that Universal OWNS the Travel Channel, no wonder their coasters and parks are ALWAYS number one, and Disney never even gets nominated. And I must add, that Universal doesn't do squat diddly of their own coasters, Kyle is so right. Keep in mind that Dueling Dragons' concept wasn't even Universal's. How pathetic that they had to steal from Disney to get a good themed coaster. You'll notice also that DD is the best coaster in the park. Wonder why that is? Maybe cuz it's DISNEY's concept...? I don't see how anyone can like those pathetic excuses for "Theme" parks.

 

[MrPromey]

My only thoughts (as if ANY of you want to hear them ) is that this is supposed to be an off the shelf ride in terms of track design, right? I mean very basic, very common design and nothing new or unusual at all, right? This thing should more or less work as advertised in the manufacturer’s brochure pretty much out of the box, shouldn’t it? How much in the way of technical difficulties can a ride like that have unless parts are defective? Tom Morrow, I’m one of the people in the other thread disagreeing with you and I have to say that this ride doesn’t excite me, either.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Originally posted by DisneyExpert
...And what exactly is Hulk a top 10 coaster on? The Travel Channel?? What shame that Universal OWNS the Travel Channel, no wonder their coasters and parks are ALWAYS number one, and Disney never even gets nominated.

Hulk is a top ten coaster rated by Amusement Today, ranked by a ton of COASTER ENTHUSIASTS (like me). Travel Channel may have their pointless ratings but TC is just a 24 hour infomercial. Hulk is rated that high because coaster enthusiasts like it. No Disney coaster is ever rated that high because they do not offer what thrillseekers are looking for. Its that simple. If I'm not mistaken, Disney doesn't even want to be mentioned on the travel channel. ( I could be wrong, but I don't want to discuss that)

And I must add, that Universal doesn't do squat diddly of their own coasters, Kyle is so right. Keep in mind that Dueling Dragons' concept wasn't even Universal's. How pathetic that they had to steal from Disney to get a good themed coaster. You'll notice also that DD is the best coaster in the park. Wonder why that is? Maybe cuz it's DISNEY's concept...?

Disney has NEVER designed their own coasters, either. They've always asked a coaster company to do it while they work on the theming, which is exactly what universal and every park does. Rock 'n' Rollercoaster? Vekoma built it, Disney built a building around it. This concept also already exists in parks such as Paramount's King's Island (rollercoaster is called Flight of Fear), same basic thing.

I don't see how anyone can like those pathetic excuses for "Theme" parks.

Well, maybe you would if you weren't so damn ignorant. Your idea is "Its not Disney, so it sucks! End of story!" When what you should realize is that Universal is second ONLY to Disney in theme parks, which is pretty damn good. I can tell that you've never been to any other parks outside of Orlando.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Disney doesn't design its own coasters? Have a chat with Imagineers about what they have done to Disneyland Paris's coasters. Disney TELLS these companies what to build at they do it. This is why disney refuses to build a B&M coaster--B&M basically says "you take what we offer your or you get nothing". Disney doesn't seek what thrill seekers what? You must be smoking something REALLY strong...that zero-to-sixty launch on RnR CERTAINLY isn't thrilling...oh...and the 400 feet you are dropping (total) in the Tower of Terror certainly isn't either. You have no idea what you are talking about with any of this... "PW doesn't have extra supports" "it's track is BIGGER than those OTHER coasters!" "the plastic things that don't really look like anything in The Hulk's queue show its immersive theming!" Gawd...once again...the attendance numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Tom Morrow]

2 thrill rides is not enough to draw in most thrillseekers. Don't even try to claim Disney offers all the thrills a thrillseeker would need, because they don't. Tower of Terror actually is hailed as one of the best drop rides, but the reason Rock 'n' Rollercoaster isn't anywhere in the top coaster lists, is because of its super tame, slow layout after the corkscrew.

I'm done arguing about Hulk's theming. It doesn't have a ton of theming but its more than most parks will EVER see. End of story.

Universal is 2nd ONLY to Disney in terms of attendance and everything. So yes, the attendance numbers really do speak for themselves. Just because YOU don't like Islands of Adventure doesn't change the fact that Universal and Islands of Adventure are the 2nd most visited parks in the country behind Disney World and Disneyland.

Disney beat Universal. Unversal beat everyone else. Theres nothing wrong with being 2nd.

 

[space42]

extra supports?

Reverchon does manufacture two different style spinning mouse coasters. You can see them at their website here.

http://www.reverchon.com/anglais/overspinning.htm

They have a mobile version http://www.reverchon.com/anglais/spinningmobil.htm (the one pictured on thier site was one used in this dicussion) and a park version http://www.reverchon.com/anglais/spinningpark.htm

The park version includes more supports due to its permanent nature. I dont see how these extra supports make it look cheaper anyway. If they wanted it to look cheaper they should have opted for the mobile one

I also suspect that the extra supports are for safty reasons. These supports are NOT decoration.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The coaster obviously does not need as many supports as it has because some of the ones I showed you are at "worthwhile" parks (not disgustingly cheap ones) and the coasters are permanent--yet they have many fewer supports and do not crumble. If you look at old coasters from the 50s, they had many more supports than today's coasters do. That is why disney would do something like this--again, the same thing they did with California Screamin'. Does disney have every thrill ride imaginable? No. I can go to a six flags park with 10+ unthemed coasters to get that. Disney gives me the theme park experience and their parks are much more fun, anyway. By the time Rock 'n' Roller Coaster slows down, the ride is pretty much over anyway...it slows down so you can see the details on some of the objects you fly through better. I think the intensity of the launch and the cobra roll make up for that anyway...the launch is simply incredible and VERY FEW parks have launches with that high of an acceleration.

 

[Tom Morrow]

The spinning reverchons with less supports appear to have larger columbs holding them up, something not seen in the perminant version. I knew Disney had nothing to do in saying how many supports Primeval Whirl should have.

About coasters getting less supports, that only depends on the ride type and the manufacturer. B&M tend to use large steel tubes instead of a bunch of littler supports, but not all companies do. Look at Arrow's newest coaster, which is currently the most talked about coaster around - X at SFMM:

LOTS and LOTs of supports.

 

[DigitalDisney]

MrPromey: Yes, it's an off the shelf ride. Disney only added scenery and all that jazz to the ride. The actual ride system and track layout is not custom at all

DisneyExpert: The Hulk is a top 10 coaster by any coaster enthusiast. Any coaster club or organization will agree with this. Polls for coaster enthusiasts have said the same thing ever since the Hulk opened. Like Tom Morrow, I'm a big-time coaster enthusiast. I can point out differences between Vekoma and Arrow, B&M and Giavanola, etc. Take our word for it: Hulk is a top 10 coaster, if not a top 5 coaster.

DogsRule - I don't think you're right on that one. Disney and Vekoma have had a long relationship ever since the Matterhorn. Granted, the Matterhorn was designed with Arrow, but members of Arrow joined the Vekoma team (that's why their rides look the same). Why haven't we seen any Giavanola, Premier, Schwartzkopf, S&S, or Morgan coasters? The only non-Vekoma coaster Disney has is California Screamin in DCA, which is an Intamin design.

As far as not being able to have custom rides goes, what are your thoughts about Goofy's Barnstormer and Gadget's Go coaster? Those are hardly custom rides. The same goes for Riverchon and Mack. In fact, I'm sure one of the manufacturers in the above paragraph would be have to make a custom ride for the Mouse.

The fact is that beemers are more expensive.

Disney really doesn't cater to thrill seekers. Yes, you mentioned a couple rides that are thrilling. Big whoop. All SF parks have a couple ride designed for the little kids. Does that make SF a little kid's park? I hope not

Thrill rides are only a small percentage of the overall attraction list at any WDW park. Most of the attractions are shows or family-style rides, which don't bode too well for the thril-seekign audience.

You've got a one-track-mind, and it shows. It's time to stop drinking the Kool-Aid that the Mouse gave you. That brain-washing machine has got to die one of these days

If you look at old coasters from the 50s, they had many more supports than today's coasters do

Engineering is amazing, ain't it? Also, there wern't a whole lot of steel coasters back in the 50s. It was primarily a world of wooden coasters, which have 100x the amount of supports as steel coasters.

the launch is simply incredible and VERY FEW parks have launches with that high of an acceleration.

There are well over 20 others in the world, and they all have similar or greater acceleration than RNRC. If it makes you feel better, the RNRC design has been used in a SF park.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Thank you DigitalDisney, you rock.

 

[wdwcrazy]

Will everyone PLEASE stop with the SUPPORTS!! WHO CARES! Well Primeval Whirl is SO MUCH BETTER becase it has 20 supports versus another park that only has 13. Give me a break. Bottom line is that Primeval whirl is a poorly themed, out of place attraction that was thrown together at the last mintue. It's an of the shelf attracion that Disney just slapped some cutouts on.