Possible Changes coming to the Guest Assistance Cards (GAC)

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nytimez

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After reading all of the above, it still seems to me that the note to return in x minutes -- x being the current standby wait -- is a fair and reasonable accommodation for all. Is it perfect? No. Perhaps not.

But it can give people who can't sit/stand/walk or are likely to throw fits in line a chance to bypass the line while minimizing the potential for abuse by people who simply don't want to wait in line.
 

wilkeliza

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That's a new low.

Yeah when I came across one I was in shock. Interestingly enough it was the 1st thing to pop up when I google searched dentists near Walt Disney World that's how much traffic those things get.

I never like to assume people are trying to beat the system but I've seen my fair share of teenagers popping wheelies on wheel chairs in EPCOT to know that it is a system that is abused on a daily basis.
 

captainkidd

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Yeah when I came across one I was in shock. Interestingly enough it was the 1st thing to pop up when I google searched dentists near Walt Disney World that's how much traffic those things get.

I never like to assume people are trying to beat the system but I've seen my fair share of teenagers popping wheelies on wheel chairs in EPCOT to know that it is a system that is abused on a daily basis.

I never jump to the conclusion that people are taking advantage of it, simply because by looking at me, you'd think I was taking advantage of it. But it's so out there now that you know there are going to be people that abuse it.
 

DisneySaint

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I doubt anyone will read my full inevitably long incoming post, but I will post it anyways. Other than being a live cast member, I'm the closest you'll find to "straight from the horse's mouth." I not only was in Guest Relations for several years, but I trained it. I was part of the actual team that instructed Guest Relations cast what GAC's are/how they work/how to distribute them. So I at least have some experience with this.

With that said...

If you asked me what the single biggest problem in all of Disney I encountered in my 3-4 years there was, I would unequivocally and without hesitation say GACs. The average guest does not see the epidemic it has caused. (Note: This "epidemic", as I define it, is of my personal opinion). The number of GACs we distributed on a daily basis was nothing short of astounding. ...and 95%+ of them were for disabilities that are "not readily evident" and sometimes for a person that wasn't even there ("my son is autistic and he is waiting outside with his father"). GACs are an amazing point of contention for both guests and casts alike. Laws and regulations like HIPPAA (sp?) dictate what Disney can and cannot do. It almost boils down to a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of thing.

Let me break it down to you so you can understand what it's like on the other side of the counter:

Questions a CM asks themselves about GAC requestors:
Is it for them?
If it's for them, do they have a readily apparent disability?
Do you give a GAC for ADHD, can't stand long, asthma, back problems, irratable bowel syndrome, etc.? Where do you draw the line?
Does the person who's getting the GAC need to be present? If so, how do you make the parent "get" the person that needs the GAC? And, if so, why do you NEED to see them? If they're autistic, for example, you may not be able to tell just by looking at them.
What do you do about, say, a group of teenagers that come in and say they need a GAC?
What about someone who clearly does not need a GAC and doesn't have a condition that would neccessarily warrant one but insists they get one every time and have never had a problem until you?
What about large parties?

The fact is, the system is abused. Heavily. Most Cast Members would simply rather not "poke the fire" and simply do as their told and write the GAC. Others may be more restrictive. But why? How? To gain what?

Let's use a classic one as another example ... ADHD. I had many a guest come in and request a GAC for ADHD. Now, think about it, does someone with ADHD absolutely need a GAC to skip all the lines? Probably not. Use Fastpass; get thing sto occupy you while in line, etc. But what if you say "no" to that guest and they throw an absolute fit? What if they show that they had an old expired GAC for this condition? What if they say they never had a problem until you?

I really feel bad about the whole thing because I know I've seen legitimate families that have legitimate reasons that they NEED the card, but I've also had guest who blatantly admitted their friends told them to just say a magic word like "autism" and they will never have to wait in a line at WDW. How can you legitimize this without breaking any laws?

Another scenario: Many, many, many people who "can't stand for long periods of time." Standard reply? "Get a wheelchair." You may even give them a free voucher for one. "Well I don't want to get a wheelchair." Now what? Too bad, so sad? Give them the card? Tell them to deal with it? Just trying to illustrate how difficult these situations can be.

I very sincerely hope the big whigs can come up with something which continues to service the guests who need it but somehow purge those who don't. But, even then, how many more people will there be (just as there are now) who will expect something under the new system just because they had something under the old system. It's certainly a worisome thing for me.
 

captainkidd

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^^
Thanks for that info. Very interesting.

Just want to respond to the wheelchair idea. That's something that I have thought of, but right now, at this time, it won't work for us. We've got 3 kids, 2 of whom are only 5 years old. Though it may be possible for me to wheel myself around in a wheelchair while my wife pushes a stroller, it would be EXTREMELY difficult without extra help. And to be honest, I'd almost feel worse about getting a wheelchair than a GAC.
 

Florida Bill

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I have MAJOR problems standing for more then about 15 mins. or so. I've had 6 operations on my back and 2 on my neck, multiple fusions and hardware in my low back, mid back and neck. Just looking at me you wouldn't know that I have any medical condition (well, usually by the end of the day I'm limping pretty badly) If you saw my back though you'd see the huge scars there and my neck. I have Annual Passes for myself, my Wife and Stepson and I do use the GAC whenever we go to the parks. Usually they just write out the GAC with a date about 3 months out so I don't have to get a different one every time I go, it's been my experience that all cm's just send us through the fast pass line. I've never had anyone give me any problems or any snide comments or anything (well there was a cm on the safari in Animal Kingdom that kind of gave me an attitude, I reported her as she was yelling at us from about 30ft away and giving us a problem) Believe me, I would be GLAD to provide proof of my condition if it was allowed! I have a note from my Doc. in my wallet that I have on me at all times stating that I have hardware in my back and I might set off metal detectors! Wish I didn't have the back problems, I'd much rather have not gone through all the medical issues that I've had, but the GAC has been a lifesaver and it actually lets me enjoy the parks.
 

Tom Morrow

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YES YES YES! I'm glad a post like yours got in here before this thread explodes. The GAC system is abused to the point where it is actually a HUGE problem that keeps growing. How the rules for distributing and accommodating for GACs is extremely inconsistent, which is why nearly all of them are stamped with "use alternate entrance" (which is always the Fastpass line if the ride has Fastpass) and why CM's are generally scared to even bother enforcing something such as the card being expired.
 

captainkidd

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YES YES YES! I'm glad a post like yours got in here before this thread explodes. The GAC system is abused to the point where it is actually a HUGE problem that keeps growing. How the rules for distributing and accommodating for GACs is extremely inconsistent, which is why nearly all of them are stamped with "use alternate entrance" (which is always the Fastpass line if the ride has Fastpass) and why CM's are generally scared to even bother enforcing something such as the card being expired.

It is a huge problem, no doubt. How huge, I have no clue not working there. But what can Disney do? They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
 

DisneySaint

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^^

Just want to respond to the wheelchair idea. That's something that I have thought of, but right now, at this time, it won't work for us. We've got 3 kids, 2 of whom are only 5 years old. Though it may be possible for me to wheel myself around in a wheelchair while my wife pushes a stroller, it would be EXTREMELY difficult without extra help. And to be honest, I'd almost feel worse about getting a wheelchair than a GAC.

Good post and legitimate situation. I very often heard from folks who said they simply were too embarassed to use a wheelchair. But there are also those who simply had no one to push them (or simply didn't want to push them).

But the question is: should the same privledges be extended across the board? Autism vs. ADHD vs. back problems vs. IBS vs. "fear of crowds" vs. asthma vs. amputees vs. elderly vs. cancer patients, etc. Right now the same "privlege" is extended across the board.

Off topic from your reply, but I do like the idea of a "come back" system that I saw used once or twice where they would simply look at the current Fastpass return time and then write what is basically a Fastpass for the party to come back during that window. I COMPLETELY understand when someone cannot stand in line for a long period of time, but I never did understand why that should them afford them the privledge to go to the front of the line every single time.
 

Tom Morrow

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It is a huge problem, no doubt. How huge, I have no clue not working there. But what can Disney do? They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Indeed, its a tricky situation, but whats wrong with the procedure that other parks have? If one "can't wait in long lines", they obtain a pass that is based on the wait time of the attraction. If the wait time is currently 45 minutes, they "schedule" to come 45 minutes later. That way, they're not waiting in a long line, but they're also not given the ability to use the Fastpass line unlimited.
 

DisneySaint

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CM's are generally scared to even bother enforcing something such as the card being expired.

Exactly. Why bother? You're a minimum wage college kid standing at the entrance to the ride. Do you let the person through or do you start a potential massive blowup confrontation?
 

DisneySaint

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Indeed, its a tricky situation, but whats wrong with the procedure that other parks have? If one "can't wait in long lines", they obtain a pass that is based on the wait time of the attraction. If the wait time is currently 45 minutes, they "schedule" to come 45 minutes later. That way, they're not waiting in a long line, but they're also not given the ability to use the Fastpass line unlimited.

To me this is the only possible and fair solution. But there will be an epic firestorm from the multitude of privledged "in the know" Annual Passholders who've been riding this system for years.
 

RSoxNo1

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How are they changing it?
Right now the only change has been at Radiator Springs Racers, where GAC guests are given a return time that correlates with the current standby time. The article calls attention to the larger issue of GAC being abused and that Disneyland management was somewhat ignorant of this. It suggests that they are looking for a total overhaul of the system.

I wonder if they would require people to request the GAC by mail - that may be a new approach.
 

RSoxNo1

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Yeah, I have read that too.

Most of the CM's we've encountered have been great about the GAC. I always show them copies of my prescriptions and highlight what they are for, just so there's no doubt. One year, we encountered a CM at the MK (Guest Relations just outside the park) who made a very snide comment to me. I showed him the note from my doctor and he replied "Gee, I wonder if your doctor gives out no waiting in line cards for his office." I thought that was REALLY uncalled for.
I've been given flack at Universal in the past, but never to that extent. Our joke has been, "if anyone gives us trouble we'll just ask them to watch Matt (my brother) for 20 minutes".
 

captainkidd

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Indeed, its a tricky situation, but whats wrong with the procedure that other parks have? If one "can't wait in long lines", they obtain a pass that is based on the wait time of the attraction. If the wait time is currently 45 minutes, they "schedule" to come 45 minutes later. That way, they're not waiting in a long line, but they're also not given the ability to use the Fastpass line unlimited.

So in essence, it works the same way? You just come back 45 minutes later and go through the FP line?
 

TP2000

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The problem is they can't legally ask for that under ADA laws. Once someone says they are disabled you have to leave it at that.

True. And all Disney has to do under the ADA laws is provide wheelchair accesibility.

There's no ADA law about letting autistic kids who don't like to wait in line get an immediate Fastpass at a theme park. The perks Disney gives those folks, via the GAC system, are purely customer-service driven and have nothing to do with ADA laws. ADA laws deal with physical accesibility issues, and nothing more.

I'd be fascinated to hear how the people who have GAC's because they can't wait in line get through airport security at Boston Logan or O'hare on their trip to WDW.

Seems to me the GAC should be good for two people and two people only; the person with the type of disability that allows them to walk around a busy theme park in the Florida heat but can't wait in lines for the good rides, and one other guest.

And yes, I know I'm being "insensitive" to those who can't wait in theme park lines. But I've stood in the Racers Fastpass line several times this summer with bratty families where the Mom gushes to others about how much a "godsend" the GAC is and how easy it is to get them for medical conditions that don't exist. One lady even bragged about how the YouTube video she watched coached her on what exactly to say to Guest Relations, and now she has a GAC for every Disneyland visit she makes. Yes, she was an AP. :rolleyes:
 

RSoxNo1

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I never jump to the conclusion that people are taking advantage of it, simply because by looking at me, you'd think I was taking advantage of it. But it's so out there now that you know there are going to be people that abuse it.
I know that we'll do subtle things with my brother, whether it's physically moving him aside while waiting in line, or putting our hand on his shoulder to guide him, often times when it's unnecessary. If people observe him for more than a few minutes they can usually tell that it's not an act, but we have definitely felt people have expressed jealousy.
 

Tom Morrow

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So in essence, it works the same way? You just come back 45 minutes later and go through the FP line?
Yes, that eliminates a good portion of the abuse because it limits the user from entering immediately, and as often as they want.

To me the option is both fair and accommodating. Remember that the ADA act is for equal treatment, not better treatment.

To me this is the only possible and fair solution. But there will be an epic firestorm from the multitude of privledged "in the know" Annual Passholders who've been riding this system for years.
If there's one positive thing that comes out of Fastpass+, its that it could make this new system a good possibility since guests would not actually have to walk to the attraction to schedule the ride time.
 

captainkidd

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I know that we'll do subtle things with my brother, whether it's physically moving him aside while waiting in line, or putting our hand on his shoulder to guide him, often times when it's unnecessary. If people observe him for more than a few minutes they can usually tell that it's not an act, but we have definitely felt people have expressed jealousy.

I make it very hard to tell that we have the card. Some people walk around with it in a lanyard like a blue ribbon. I keep it in my pocket, and keep it very hidden when showing it to the CM. We also will use FP at attractions that have it.
 
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