Possible Attraction in France pavilion (Epcot) Update - new Attraction Greenlit

[Kman101]

Nemo is out of place in Epcot. The ride exists in the world of Finding Nemo and does nothing to bring guests into reality other than project cartoons in a fish tank. Elsewhere in the pavilion the characters are used a bit better, but Nemo going into Future World was really the sign that they Iger and Co don't understand EPCOT.

I don't disagree with you, but they could have been used in a better way and it wouldn't have been as awfully placed, I think we're a little too hung up on "no characters ever" (and yes I'm a firm believer you don't "need" characters or IP tie-ins, but IP doesn't need to be a dirty word). Figment's a character that is used to tell a story, he just happens to be an originally created one. What if Nemo weren't a movie? Unfortunately they are putting characters into the park and that's how it is. I don't like it but if they're there, do it better. How does talking to Crush make any sense? But I know it signaled the bigger problem that they don't 'get' Epcot.

 

[Daveeeeed]

I don't disagree with you, but they could have been used in a better way and it wouldn't have been as awfully placed, I think we're a little too hung up on "no characters ever" (and yes I'm a firm believer you don't "need" characters or IP tie-ins, but IP doesn't need to be a dirty word). Figment's a character that is used to tell a story, he just happens to be an originally created one. What if Nemo weren't a movie? Unfortunately they are putting characters into the park and that's how it is. I don't like it but if they're there, do it better. How does talking to Crush make any sense? But I know it signaled the bigger problem that they don't 'get' Epcot.

With the massive popularity of the Finding Nemo franchise, there is zero reason why they wouldn't make the Seas a must do. Tie it in to finding Dory and that Nemo is used to teach and for realism. Obviously update the pavilion, and make the ride not a book report and BOOM -- it could be fantastic!

 

[Thanks phoenicians]

With the massive popularity of the Finding Nemo franchise, there is zero reason why they wouldn't make the Seas a must do. Tie it in to finding Dory and that Nemo is used to teach and for realism. Obviously update the pavilion, and make the ride not a book report and BOOM -- it could be fantastic!

Exactly this! If you're going to go the ip route at least give it the respect it deserves. Nemo is way to big of a franchise to get a book report ride with just okay theming. I hope this gets updated during Epcot's revamp but somehow I doubt it.

 

[uncle jimmy]

Exactly this! If you're going to go the ip route at least give it the respect it deserves. Nemo is way to big of a franchise to get a book report ride with just okay theming. I hope this gets updated during Epcot's revamp but somehow I doubt it.

This is Tokyo's brand new Nemo and Friends Sea Rider attraction... set to open may 2017. @marni1971 could Epcot's get something similar in the future?

 

[Thanks phoenicians]

This is Tokyo's brand new Nemo and Friends Sea Rider attraction... set to open may 2017. @marni1971 could Epcot's get something similar in the future?

Well it's Tokyo I should've expected it to look that good. I think it may be time to take a trip out there and to Hong Kong after all of the expansions they have coming up. Anyway this is what I imagine a well designed ip tie in to the seas should look like. The marine life institute still has the chance to be very educational and entertaining though I'm not sure that's the direction the park is going in.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This is Tokyo's brand new Nemo and Friends Sea Rider attraction... set to open may 2017. @marni1971 could Epcot's get something similar in the future?

The attraction is not brand new but a redo of Storm Rider, a simulator ride.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

This is Tokyo's brand new Nemo and Friends Sea Rider attraction... set to open may 2017. @marni1971 could Epcot's get something similar in the future?

The Marine life Institute...the Imagination Institute...the Test Track testing facility / design studio. ..the Mars test flight training center....the Dino Institute....

WDI just doesn't know how to create a place anymore other than through institutes or off-the-rack IP worlds.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I don't disagree with you, but they could have been used in a better way and it wouldn't have been as awfully placed, I think we're a little too hung up on "no characters ever" (and yes I'm a firm believer you don't "need" characters or IP tie-ins, but IP doesn't need to be a dirty word). Figment's a character that is used to tell a story, he just happens to be an originally created one. What if Nemo weren't a movie? Unfortunately they are putting characters into the park and that's how it is. I don't like it but if they're there, do it better. How does talking to Crush make any sense? But I know it signaled the bigger problem that they don't 'get' Epcot.

Right, they could use the Nemo characters to introduce you to marine life, not run the 5 minute plot of the direct to VHS Finding Nemo 1.5.

 

[Kman101]

Right, they could use the Nemo characters to introduce you to marine life, not run the 5 minute plot of the direct to VHS Finding Nemo 1.5.

But yeah, I don't like "Where's Nemo" "Where's Nemo"? It was lazy.

 

[RSoxNo1]

But yeah, I don't like "Where's Nemo" "Where's Nemo"? It was lazy.

It would have been fine in another park. There's an approach to making movie inspired dark rides. Traditionally you could do a retelling/book report type ride, or you could do something else in that world. Nemo in Epcot was the latter, but it didn't fit with the approach of Epcot.

Generally though when you use characters to tell a story that's outside of their "World" it's difficult to make it feel anything but forced. It's not impossible, just difficult. Disney has proven this by some poor executions (or simply not even trying) with character integration in Epcot.

 

[Figment2005]

It would have been fine in another park. There's an approach to making movie inspired dark rides. Traditionally you could do a retelling/book report type ride, or you could do something else in that world. Nemo in Epcot was the latter, but it didn't fit with the approach of Epcot.

Generally though when you use characters to tell a story that's outside of their "World" it's difficult to make it feel anything but forced. It's not impossible, just difficult. Disney has proven this by some poor executions (or simply not even trying) with character integration in Epcot.

I completely agree. Using an IP to support an attraction instead of being the attraction is a better implementation, at least for a park like Epcot.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I completely agree. Using an IP to support an attraction instead of being the attraction is a better implementation, at least for a park like Epcot.

With that said, something like the Lion King integration in Circle of Life is better execution, but it's something I rarely go into.

 

[Figment2005]

With that said, something like the Lion King integration in Circle of Life is better execution, but it's something I rarely go into.

Yes I agree. That movie just needs to be updated to regain at least some of its popularity.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Yes I agree. That movie just needs to be updated to regain at least some of its popularity.

By no means was that show intended to be a headliner. It's a diversion and is treated as such by the masses. Having said that, an upgrade to it would certainly help.

 

[Figment2005]

By no means was that show intended to be a headliner. It's a diversion and is treated as such by the masses. Having said that, an upgrade to it would certainly help.

When was the show introduced? A lot of the issues it covers, while still somewhat relevant, are not nearly as problematic today as they once were. Maybe more of a focus on how we have advanced from the problems we once had with food production and how modern technology has helped. Sort of a side note type of thing for Living with the Land.

 

[wdwfan4ver]

When was the show introduced? A lot of the issues it covers, while still somewhat relevant, are not nearly as problematic today as they once were. Maybe more of a focus on how we have advanced from the problems we once had with food production and how modern technology has helped. Sort of a side note type of thing for Living with the Land.

The show was introduced in January of 1995.

 

[Figment2005]

The show was introduced in January of 1995.

Thank you. So a lot has changed in the last 22 years.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I completely agree. Using an IP to support an attraction instead of being the attraction is a better implementation, at least for a park like Epcot.

The whole point of using a franchise is the franchise. The franchise will always have a primacy that undermines the notion of being in a supporting role.

 

[Mike S]

The whole point of using a franchise is the franchise. The franchise will always have a primacy that undermines the notion of being in a supporting role.

It's Tough to Be a Bug did it pretty well imo.

The version in Animal Kingdom, not when it was forced into DCA.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's Tough to Be a Bug did it pretty well imo.

The version in Animal Kingdom, not when it was forced into DCA.

It's Tough to be a Bug predates the franchise strategy (and A Bug's Life). The idea that Disney today is only interested in adding IP to the parks and therefore it should be accepted and done as best as possible is a complete misunderstanding of Disney's strategy. Disney's strategy is not the general field of "Disney" IP, it is franchises. This why x, y and z "deserving" films would never get represented, because they're not part of a current franchise. Attractions are created to support their franchise, anything else is secondary grafting to try and make it workable to the park.