Pleasure Island - No Return Entry into Clubs

[The Mom]

They will still find a way around the system. Bank on it.

That goes without saying. If there's a rule, a law, or a lock, someone is going to eventually break it or find a way around it.. :lol: But, at least you can try to limit the number who get away with it.

But, the licensing board, and local police, will hardly be sympathetic if you say, "Well, we knew that they would just get around any extra safeguards to check IDs, so we didn't bother increasing them after that last incident."

 

[jt04]

That goes without saying. If there's a rule, a law, or a lock, someone is going to eventually break it or find a way around it.. :lol: But, at least you can try to limit the number who get away with it.

But, the licensing board, and local police, will hardly be sympathetic if you say, "Well, we knew that they would just get around any extra safeguards to check IDs, so we didn't bother increasing them after that last incident."

My solution is a bit simpler. Just remove the clubs from a resort that is known for catering to famlies. It was a bad idea from day 1.

 

[CaptainMichael]

My solution is a bit simpler. Just remove the clubs from a resort that is known for catering to famlies. It was a bad idea from day 1.

That is your opinion.:wave:

Now, in my opinion, Pleasure Island is the location of the best, most complete attraction WDI has created, the Adventurers Club. And from what I've heard and read, the original PI was much better than the current one.

 

[jt04]

That is your opinion.:wave:

Now, in my opinion, Pleasure Island is the location of the best, most complete attraction WDI has created, the Adventurers Club. And from what I've heard and read, the original PI was much better than the current one.

PI probably was "better" when it opened but it was a flawed idea for a Disney park. I assure you it was controversial within the company then and is more so now. The Adventurers Club would work better as a stand alone attraction at one of the resorts (someone here suggested Poly, which is genius). Of course rumor is AC (or something quite similar but themed to a franchise *ahem*) might be a major part of the Night Kingdom concept. Now that would be great!

 

[PhilharMagician]

PI is out of place when it comes to families, but it was a great spot for adults to have their night time entertainment. I liked when PI was gated and there was no worry about families walking through, no wristbands and once you were through the gate you just went to whatever club you wanted to. The West End Stage was active with all kinds of bands playing and you could get a drink from a streetside bar and not worry children being there. The skylights were going and the nightly NYE celebration. It was an active party all night.

However the walk from the Marketplace to the West Side is much shorter with PI now open.

 

[CaptainMichael]

PI probably was "better" when it opened but it was a flawed idea for a Disney park. I assure you it was controversial within the company then and is more so now. The Adventurers Club would work better as a stand alone attraction at one of the resorts (someone here suggested Poly, which is genius). Of course rumor is AC (or something quite similar but themed to a franchise *ahem*) might be a major part of the Night Kingdom concept. Now that would be great!

I just find it discouraging that anytime Disney tries doing something for its older fans it backfires. Not everything has to be fairytales and pixie dust to be magical. I find the AC to be just as magical as anything on property and as any of the CM's will remind you when you bring a kid, it's a BAR! I don't see why everything has to be done with the kiddos in mind (kind of why Harry Potter at Universal is a blessing in disguise because they aren't pressured by the whole "family" thing.) Variety is a good thing...thank God EPCOT was built back in the 80s because there is no way Disney would build WS now...

Also, it was my idea to have the AC at the Poly, although I'm not sure where they could fit it.

 

[Elonwy]

Getting into PI is never usually a problem. However, on Saturday, Disney Securtiy was checking anyone trying to enter PI without a wristband or a ticket. Neither of which I could possibly have having just got there and being a CM (we get in with our WDW ID). I think the guy just felt like being a jerk as some people in positions of authority are capable of being.

Also, you don't get wristbands till you get to the door. Security has nothing to do with that. Plus, I never tried getting a wristband prior to turning 21, I always accepted the stamp of shame and ran downstairs to join the fun.

The fact that he was trying to keep me out was ridiculous, and it showed that either he was ignorant of the PI rules (CM's get in free all week now and AC is 18+) or being a jackass.

Maybe he was being "Tough Security Guy" to cover up for his inadequacies
It's a shame he couln't treat a cast member better, you think you guys would be looking out for each other.

 

[jt04]

I just find it discouraging that anytime Disney tries doing something for its older fans it backfires. Not everything has to be fairytales and pixie dust to be magical. I find the AC to be just as magical as anything on property and as any of the CM's will remind you when you bring a kid, it's a BAR! I don't see why everything has to be done with the kiddos in mind (kind of why Harry Potter at Universal is a blessing in disguise because they aren't pressured by the whole "family" thing.) Variety is a good thing...thank God EPCOT was built back in the 80s because there is no way Disney would build WS now...

Also, it was my idea to have the AC at the Poly, although I'm not sure where they could fit it.

It's a great idea. There is still actually areas at the Poly it could fit. The footprint of the AC building is not that large. Of course it could also be tweaked and put in AK (to offer an after dark experience which the park sorely lacks), AKL, Coronado Springs or even Wilderness Lodge. You are right though, I don't think Disney would attempt Epcot again in this day and age so I am just grateful we have it.

 

[WDWTrojan]

While WDW must adhere to the state law that says people must be 21 years of age to consume alcohol, Disney's deal with the state, in the form of Reedy Creek Improvement District, specifically allows WDW to govern their own liquor laws.

 

[unkadug]

While WDW must adhere to the state law that says people must be 21 years of age to consume alcohol, Disney's deal with the state, in the form of Reedy Creek Improvement District, specifically allows WDW to govern their own liquor laws.

Only to an extent, they are still governed by the ever watchful Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco.

 

[tirian]

You are right though, I don't think Disney would attempt Epcot again in this day and age so I am just grateful we have it.

Count me among those who agree. New concepts have to be "magical" and covered with pixie dust puke to please people that grossly misunderstand what made classic Disney work. Die-hard foamers complain that EPCOT Center wasn't really E.P.C.O.T., but I'm just satisfied that Walt Disney Productions did something with the concept!

 

[tirian]

PI is out of place when it comes to families, but it was a great spot for adults to have their night time entertainment. I liked when PI was gated and there was no worry about families walking through, no wristbands and once you were through the gate you just went to whatever club you wanted to. The West End Stage was active with all kinds of bands playing and you could get a drink from a streetside bar and not worry children being there. The skylights were going and the nightly NYE celebration. It was an active party all night.

However the walk from the Marketplace to the West Side is much shorter with PI now open.

It's unfortunate that the original PI concept failed in today's nightclub culture. Now that the PI clubs are slowly but surely going away (except for the AC), who votes for a new Top of the World Club at one of the MK or Epcot resorts? :sohappy:

 

[hrcollectibles]

I had no problem re entering the clubs last week when I was there (of course this was in the middle of the week) But I have been on rather crowded weekends there (well crowded by Pleasure Island standards) and didn't have any problems like standing in line. Most of the time the cast members at the door just let me go in the exit

 

[hemloc]

Although bar tenders inside the clubs do not serve Guests without wristbands, they may not think twice about serving someone who has a wristband because they expect the admissions Cast Members outside to have checked the wristband. The new way of doing things better ensures that this check will happen.

I have been to PI with people who have been carded by bartenders after being admitted and wristbanded.... They ARE doing a good job there!

 

[kshark]

I had no problem re entering the clubs last week when I was there (of course this was in the middle of the week) But I have been on rather crowded weekends there (well crowded by Pleasure Island standards) and didn't have any problems like standing in line. Most of the time the cast members at the door just let me go in the exit

same.. i normally go back in through the exit as well.

 

[progroupie]

While it is true that Disney is aimed at families, grown ups who like to go to clubs are part of families just as much as children who like to ride Goofy's Barnstormer are part of families. Not everything at Disney can be enjoyed by the whole family and this shouldn't be such a bad thing. Victoria and Albert's certainly isn't meant for the whole family and no one complains about it. The wine aspect of Food and Wine Festival isn't mean to be enjoyed by the whole family. Why is PI so different and unacceptable?

 

[tirian]

While it is true that Disney is aimed at families, grown ups who like to go to clubs are part of families just as much as children who like to ride Goofy's Barnstormer are part of families. Not everything at Disney can be enjoyed by the whole family and this shouldn't be such a bad thing. Victoria and Albert's certainly isn't meant for the whole family and no one complains about it. The wine aspect of Food and Wine Festival isn't mean to be enjoyed by the whole family. Why is PI so different and unacceptable?

Do a thread search, and you'll find plenty of lively debates about this.

PI's transition is due to money, not drunkenness. PI simply isn't attracting as many Guests as it did, and locals (who once supported the nightspot) have largely abandoned PI for Universal's CityWalk, which is closer, wilder, and more adult. Meanwhile, DTD Marketplace and Westside are more popular than ever. People choose to skip PI.

Maybe nothing is as telling as the CM policy change. In PI's heyday, CMs only received free entrance on Thursday nights; then that was expanded from Monday through Thursday. Now CMs get in free any day of the week. Disney isn't afraid of PI reaching capacity anymore.