Pixar Earnings Soar on 'Finding Nemo' DVD

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (Nasdaq:pIXR - news) claimed the mantle as world's top animated film maker from Walt Disney Co. on Wednesday after posting record quarterly income from runaway DVD sales of "Finding Nemo."

Chief Executive Steve Jobs (news - web sites) made clear his company's relationship with Disney would end when their distribution deal ran out in 2005, calling Disney's latest animated films duds and its sequels embarrassing.


"We think the Pixar brand is now the most powerful and trusted brand in animation," Jobs said on a conference call.


"Some people are disquieted by change, but we feel very, very strongly that Pixar is on the right track and the best days are yet to come," he said.


Fourth-quarter net income rose to $83.9 million, or $1.44 a share, from $17 million or 31 cents, in the year-ago quarter, topping the Wall Street consensus estimate of $1.27 per share, according to Reuters Research, a unit of Reuters Group Plc.


Revenue jumped to $164.8 million from $39.4 million, driven by video sales and foreign box office for computer-animated hit "Nemo," and Pixar shares rose 1.5 percent in after-hours trade after swinging widely.


San Francisco Bay area Pixar forecast first-quarter earnings of about 30 cents per share, far below the Wall Street consensus of 57 cents, but analysts said Pixar had an extremely conservative track record of projections and that executives gave no signs of trouble on the earnings horizon.


Analysts generally view Pixar as a blue chip creative franchise but differ on what is a fair valuation for shares.


"Here is a company that makes one film a year that costs around $100 million to make and generates approximately $500 million in pretax income. Does it get much simpler than that?" asked Harris Nesbitt Gerard analyst Jeff Logsdon, who rates the shares outperform.


Fish story "Finding Nemo" was the top U.S. film at the box office last year and has $850 million in total ticket sales to date, making it the ninth-biggest draw worldwide ever. By the end of the year, it sold 24.8 million home videos and DVDs.


TALKS WITH STUDIOS TO START IN MARCH


Jobs said that he would start talks next month with studios hoping to replace Disney and that he aimed by the fall to seal a distribution deal starting in 2006.


Jobs also made clear that he would not resume talks with Disney, calling it very unlikely and referring bitterly to Disney Chief Executive Michael Eisner. He said he had been told that Eisner expected "Nemo" to be less than a runaway success.


"Things turned out a little different," he said, praising the "original" spirit of Disney and studio chief Cook.


He went on to say recent Disney animated sequels were "pretty embarrassing" and animated features, "Treasure Planet" and "Brother Bear" had bombed. Disney took a substantial charge for "Planet" in 2002, but "Bear," with $84.5 million in domestic sales, is seen as a modest success.


The talks broke down when Disney declined to give Pixar ownership of future films, including the two left in the current contract, Jobs said.


Disney spokeswoman Zenia Mucha in a statement said that Jobs had "grossly mischaracterized good-faith negotiations."


"It's also sad and unfortunate that he has resorted to insults and name-calling in the wake of the disagreement. We expected better of him," she added.

Pixar executives said they expected to get 100 percent of the profit from films starting in 2006, after paying a distribution fee, expected by analysts to be under 10 percent.

Jobs said all the major Hollywood studios had called and that at least four could distribute as well as Disney. He then named films by three studios, Time Warner Inc. (NYSE:TWX - news). unit Warner Bros., Fox Entertainment Group Inc.'s (NYSE:FOX - news) 20th Century Fox and Sony Corp (news - web sites).'s (6758.T) Sony Pictures Entertainment.

Banc of America analyst Michael Savner, who rates Pixar shares sell on valuation concerns, said that by leaving Disney, Pixar effectively would lose potential upside from sequels and gain a competitor, even though it would get full control of its films starting in 2006.

"The negative implications of ending talks with Disney outweigh the potential positives," he said.

Shares of Pixar had risen about 15 percent from a year ago but were down 7 percent in the last month. They traded at $64.53 in after hours trade on Instinet after swinging widely from a close of $63.54 on the Nasdaq. (Additional reporting by Bob Tourtellotte in Los Angeles)
 

Scooter

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Once again corporate Greed has caused the demise of one of the best partnerships ever.

I hope Pixar falls flat on their A$$es after this.
 

DisneyFan 2000

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Originally posted by Scooter
I hope Pixar falls flat on their A$$es after this.

I actually disagree! Disney (Eisner) was greedy and now the company loses another good relationship! I hope Disney will almost fall on there a$$es so they will realise Roy is right and they fire Eisner!!!
 

bamboo7

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Originally posted by Scooter
Once again corporate Greed has caused the demise of one of the best partnerships ever.

Yes, but the greed wasnt on pixar's side. It was on eisners.

I wouldnt be surprised if Disney and Pixar got back together after Eisner is gone.
 

bears163

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I wouldnt be surprised if Disney and Pixar got back together after Eisner is gone.



thats the word and what i think. everybody keep their fingers crossed
 

Djali999

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Pixar was asking for too much. so half of the blame goes to Eisner and half to Jobs. Eisner was ing away those valuable properties, while Jobs basically wanted Pixar to get - what - a 100% profit margin? is his head on backwards?

basically what Pixar wants is somebody to distribute their stuff and not a buisiness partner. and you know what? they really need Disney's ultra-oiled marketing machine.

not to mention that Jobs is never gonna find a distribution partner on his (those) terms. Walt and Roy themselves would have walked away from this mess.

everyone's just gonna have egg on their face after a few years, mark my words.

sigh it's sad to see this thing degenerate into a d**k-waving contest. blame Eisner for royally screwing up on the Toy Story 2 agreement.
 

lebernadin

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Originally posted by Scooter
Once again corporate Greed has caused the demise of one of the best partnerships ever.

I hope Pixar falls flat on their A$$es after this.

Yep. No one has the worldwide marketing and branding that Disney has, hence why Pixar cut the deal with Disney in the first place.

Disney's feature animation recently have been duds, but the answer isn't to cut a deal that gives you only 10% of the profits and essentially ZERO say in the development process. Disney has to re-invent itself from within. They need to develop their own new strategies to combat the decline in feature animation and the rise in digital technologies. The answer isn't to ride the coat tails of someone else's product for a dollar on every ten.

I don't think Pixar will fall on their butts, but there certainly aren't going to be offers similar to their 90/10 split offer that Disney rejected. The Disney machine built Pixar and had they decided not to cut that initial deal that produced Toy Story they wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as they are now, nor would they have had the lucrative cash flows to develop all of these films going forward.

I think Disney got lazy for awhile there, depending on Pixar's products instead of re-investing in themself.
 

GaryT977

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Originally posted by Djali999
Pixar was asking for too much. so half of the blame goes to Eisner and half to Jobs. Eisner was ing away those valuable properties, while Jobs basically wanted Pixar to get - what - a 100% profit margin? is his head on backwards?

Part of the art of negotiating is asking for more than you know you'll get and compromising from there.

This relationship ended because Disney (Eisner) played hardball and would not give up copyrights and sequel rights to movies they had no hand in creating. That, to me, is ridiculous.

Do you seriously think that Finding Nemo wouldn't have been number one if had been released by, say, Time Warner? Dreaming. As I've said, Disney (Eisner) is the big loser in all of this.
 

Djali999

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Originally posted by GaryT977
Do you seriously think that Finding Nemo wouldn't have been number one if had been released by, say, Time Warner? Dreaming. As I've said, Disney (Eisner) is the big loser in all of this.

I actually honestly don't think Nemo is as good as people make it out to be. so from my perspective, no, it would not have stayed #1 for so long. and given the botch job Time Warner does on their animated product, it probably would have started at #1, then dropped off slowly (like most films).

I still think Steve Jobs has a hand in this, too. it's just a collosal ego explosion. I'm by no means an Eisner (or Disney, for that matter) apologist, but I'm reluctant to join the Eisner-bashing jaggernaut on this issue so quickly.
 

Woody13

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Originally posted by GaryT977
This relationship ended because Disney (Eisner) played hardball and would not give up copyrights and sequel rights to movies they had no hand in creating. That, to me, is ridiculous.

Disney all ready paid high dollar money for those copyrights and sequel rights and they own them. I suppose you will now want to give Mickey to Pixar as well? Yeah! Let's give Mickey to Pixar to keep Jobs happy.:lol:

Perhaps Pixar should have considered making an offer to buy back those copyrights and sequel rights. Did they make such an offer? No.
 

imagineer99

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Pixar's requirements were insulting....

I say Disney should fight back by creating traditional, MUSICAL animated features. Then we will see that Disney can still turn out great animation!

CGI is overated!:mad:
 

texanspivey

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This may sound wierd and doesn't make any sense, but to me, future Pixar films without Disney just won't feel the same. I loved Toy Story, and Monsters and so forth and I think one of the reasons was the Disney name on the movie. A movie is a movie regardless, but the Disney name just makes it more "special." To me Ice Age was good, but no where near what Nemo was, and after this split I think the same will happen to Pixar.
 

GaryT977

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Originally posted by Woody13
Disney all ready paid high dollar money for those copyrights and sequel rights and they own them. I suppose you will now want to give Mickey to Pixar as well? Yeah! Let's give Mickey to Pixar to keep Jobs happy.:lol:

Listen, I don't want to prolong this argument, because neither of us is going to change our minds.

But at least be fair. Pixar wasn't asking for any copyrights from past Pixar movies, just future ones. The logic of this is inescapable, at least to me. Why should Disney hold the copyrights to properties they did nothing to create?

When Pixar signed their distribution deal with Disney, they were an unknown. Both companies have made a great deal of money from it. But Pixar is no longer an unknown, and they have the right to negotiate that way.

Yes, Jobs is an arrogant jerk. That doesn't make him wrong.
 

Woody13

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Originally posted by GaryT977
But at least be fair. Pixar wasn't asking for any copyrights from past Pixar movies, just future ones. The logic of this is inescapable, at least to me. Why should Disney hold the copyrights to properties they did nothing to create?

Here's a quote from the orignial AP news story by Gary Gentile, "A person familiar with the talks said negotiations broke down because Pixar wanted to reclaim the copyrights to the five films it has produced with Disney so far, plus the two left in the deal. Such an accommodation would have presumably denied Disney the right to make sequels and potentially denied the company millions of dollars in future profits."


So, in fact, Pixar wanted all the previous copyrights handed over to them for free! I can provide a link if you need one. Or, just Google "Pixar reclaim copyrights".

The reason Disney should "...hold the copyrights to properties they did nothing to create" is because they paid money for those copyrights. Disney owns them!
 

GaryT977

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OK, I give. Jobs is evil incarnate and Eisner can do no wrong. What's done is done and we'll see down the road which company, if either, regrets it.
 

Woody13

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Originally posted by GaryT977
OK, I give. Jobs is evil incarnate and Eisner can do no wrong. What's done is done and we'll see down the road which company, if either, regrets it.

I'm not a big fan of either of these CEO's. I just think that in business you need to play by the rules.

Jobs has renegotiated the Pixar contract with Disney on two previous occasions and got everything for which he asked. Now he wants to renegotiate again. Disney was willing and ready to once again give him what he wanted, except for the previous copyrights. That's what messed up the deal. He just asked for too much and was not willing to back off from his copyright demands (which I think are unreasonable, and so did Disney).

As for Eisner, he signed a contract with Disney that makes him the CEO until 2006. Disney needs to live up to that contract. The Disney board and Eisner should be (and are) looking for CEO replacements. I don't think anyone wants to see Bob Iger or Marty Sklar as the CEO.
 

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