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News Pirates of the Caribbean closing for refurbishment in February for new auction scene
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RandySavage
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Curious as to what you feel it changes about the ride that the Davy Jones projection didn't (i.e. adding the films' fantasy aspects). Does it have to do with film mermaids only inhabiting that one Bay?
To me it was an interesting, well-fabricated visual element.
Rescue Ranger
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Well I will say, thrilled to see Davy Jones back again and the entire effect in general working. I can't remember the last time I've been and the projection was working.
How is this any better? Honest question.
Wasn't meant to be better, was meant to be less rape-y.
999th Happy Haunt
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God this is awful. The new voices made me cringe and are annoying as all hell. How they didn't think in a way to keep the iconic "We wants the redhead!" is beyond me. The scene has not improved at all and just seems like it was a completely unnecessary change with the only intent being to have a female role model by making all the men in the scene dumb as bricks.
Best case scenario, they see the reaction to this scene and change the dialog before the Disneyland refurbishment ends to include some of the original Frees lines and "We wants the redhead." Probably not going to happen though
Best case scenario, they see the reaction to this scene and change the dialog before the Disneyland refurbishment ends to include some of the original Frees lines and "We wants the redhead." Probably not going to happen though
Raineman
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Just watched the new scene on YouTube, and the most jarring thing for me was no more Paul Frees as the Auctioneer. I don't have any emotional ties to the pre-Jack Sparrow POTC, as I was only on that version once a long time ago. The Auctioneer, however, has always been a focal point of the ride for me, and the change in voice and dialogue-not feeling it. I'll have to withhold full judgement until I ride, but it never really felt like my WDW trip had gotten underway until I heard that voice, and now it's gone.
BasiltheBatLord
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I'm really hoping that CA's PotC being the original will result in at least some effort to try and preserve some dialogue for that version, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
What, specifically, does this one element impact to make you say it "changes a lot of the ride?"
The_Jobu
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It's not supposed to be better. Just less triggering for the overly sensitive.
FigmentJedi
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Plugging Whitecap Bay and the "Remains of Mermaids sacrificed for their tears" thing in the middle of what Disney treats as the ride's answer to Isla de Muerta and a hub for the undead/ghost side of Pirates mythology just feels like a distracting tangent.
It'd be like if they had a Spooky Tree growing in the middle of the Evil Queen's lair because they're both scary parts of the movie instead of having them as separate scenes.
The Shanghai ride's mermaid scene works because they fall under the weird undersea monsters side of the Pirates mythology that section of the ride is all about.
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If you want to argue that the fantastical elements distract from the otherwise real-world aspects of the rest of the ride, that's one thing.
Saying that having one magic skeleton beside another, slightly different magic skeleton is splitting hairs.
Disney Analyst
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tl77
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I was looking at the history of the Red Head character and the lady pirates that never made it off the drawing board, thought I'd share,
This seems to be one of the first sketches of her by Marc Davis
There was a figure built based on this sketch that was only used for a mock-up/preview of the ride
They then switched to a second sculpture of the figure that made it into the ride
There was a lot of art work of lady pirates, they all seemed a little "edgier" than the new Red Head, but they were usually preoccupied with treasure. This first image is set in the opening of the ride, in the area where the mermaid skeleton was just removed
In the this sketch they are handing out treasure to the male pirates, maybe this is where the new role for the Red Head came from?
...and the is the Red Head Pirate painting that appears in the Disneyland version of the ride
This seems to be one of the first sketches of her by Marc Davis
There was a figure built based on this sketch that was only used for a mock-up/preview of the ride
They then switched to a second sculpture of the figure that made it into the ride
There was a lot of art work of lady pirates, they all seemed a little "edgier" than the new Red Head, but they were usually preoccupied with treasure. This first image is set in the opening of the ride, in the area where the mermaid skeleton was just removed
In the this sketch they are handing out treasure to the male pirates, maybe this is where the new role for the Red Head came from?
...and the is the Red Head Pirate painting that appears in the Disneyland version of the ride
Scuttle
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Were Kathleen Kennedy and Sheryl Sandberg behind this....?God this is awful. The new voices made me cringe and are annoying as all hell. How they didn't think in a way to keep the iconic "We wants the redhead!" is beyond me. The scene has not improved at all and just seems like it was a completely unnecessary change with the only intent being to have a female role model by making all the men in the scene dumb as bricks.
Best case scenario, they see the reaction to this scene and change the dialog before the Disneyland refurbishment ends to include some of the original Frees lines and "We wants the redhead." Probably not going to happen though
I'm with the others that suggested they keep the "we wants the redhead" line and just have her fire back in response. That would have been far better and made her look even more bada$$ IMO.
nevol
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They should have kept the "we want the redhead" dialogue, even in this updated scene. It would have been funny if they were trying to auction off chickens or rum and the pirates were just yelling about wanting the redheaded pirate. She could have snapped back with a witty response, telling them all to shut up. We see a similar dynamic now in fantasmic at disneyland when Jack wants the compass and (whoever the girl is in that scene, (sorry, I don't watch those movies)) yells something like "all you guys are the same" or something along those lines. She is trying to auction off other items, the belligerent pirates are cat calling her, and she snaps back at them and gets them to focus on the auction. This way, more of the original dialogue stays, there is no more bride auction, and we have an opportunity to see the redheaded pirate stick up for herself. The way this scene is playing at wdw it seems to awkwardly force dialogue about uninteresting things. It would be so much more clever and successful to acknowledge that, and my suggestion would do so. The drunken pirates could yell about wanting the redhead, effectively admitting they are bored by chickens and rum. Pirates are still acting like scum, without successfully degrading women. Also, her voice is odd. And if they keep the sassy looking animatronic at disneyland, it needs a completely different voice actor. It should be deeper, and more cool. Not all of that yelling. She was cool and composed before and this new pirate seems like an overzealous high school theater student. Or they could not change it at all, but wow. Not only did they make her not objectified, she's obnoxiously not cool, like the new Jesse fiberglass models.