Pfizer Vaccine News

[JusticeDisney]

Just wondering, has this potentially very positive vaccine news caused anyone else to start daydreaming about a return to a “normal” WDW?! Personally (like most of us here), I am always in such a happy state of mind whenever I am in WDW, but the thought of getting back there hopefully sooner rather than later with things like they used to be has put a giant smile on my face!

Heres hoping that 2021 has the makings of looking a lot more like 2019, as opposed to 2020!

 

[JIMINYCR]

Yes...Im very uplifted by the news, but still kind of apprehensive. Their projected 90% effectiveness rate hasnt been proven. We still dont know how its going to be distributed and how people will be affected by it being introduced into the body. If it is the answer weve been hoping for then, Yes, Disney and everyone else will be given a huge boost. I am looking forward to a back to normal Disney but being selfish I would like my trip dates to be on the lower crowd level size. The past few trips weve encountered heavier crowd days than ever, so it would be nice to be in more managed lines.

 

[correcaminos]

Yes...Im very uplifted by the news, but still kind of apprehensive. Their projected 90% effectiveness rate hasnt been proven. We still dont know how its going to be distributed and how people will be affected by it being introduced into the body. If it is the answer weve been hoping for then, Yes, Disney and everyone else will be given a huge boost. I am looking forward to a back to normal Disney but being selfish I would like my trip dates to be on the lower crowd level size. The past few trips weve encountered heavier crowd days than ever, so it would be nice to be in more managed lines.

What do you mean they don't know how people will be affected by it being introduced into the body? That is exactly what trials do look at. No rate can be proven exactly either, but again the trials show estimated rates.

 

[DisneyTransport]

I like the news, but I take it with a grain of salt. 2020 has been nothing but a destructor of expectations. I'll believe it when I see it.

... but praying for the best

 

[Trackmaster]

I really hope that they make the right choices on who gets first crack at it. I know that a lot of bleeding hearts are going to want to give it to the people of highest risk from it. But I think that the more logical choice are the people who work jobs where they'd be at highest of being vectors of transmission. If somebody's old and retired, they can just be quarantined. Its a waste of the product to use it on them. If we want to flatten the curve as fast as possible and curb the exponential growth, give it to healthcare workers, retail workers, waiters, etc. Any employee who has to go to work who gets into contact with people and can't voluntarily quarantine.

Technically, I guess we should also give it to idiots who have gone on record saying that they'll go to superspreader events without masks, but this probably shouldn't happen because we don't want to encourage that activity. I think that a happy medium is going it to people who can prove that they work jobs that are hard to do remotely. Its all about scare resources and who to give it to that will help curb the spread, not just protect people who are vulnerable who could just be quarantined.

 

[DisneyTransport]

I really hope that they make the right choices on who gets first crack at it. I know that a lot of bleeding hearts are going to want to give it to the people of highest risk from it. But I think that the more logical choice are the people who work jobs where they'd be at highest of being vectors of transmission. If somebody's old and retired, they can just be quarantined. Its a waste of the product to use it on them. If we want to flatten the curve as fast as possible and curb the exponential growth, give it to healthcare workers, retail workers, waiters, etc. Any employee who has to go to work who gets into contact with people and can't voluntarily quarantine.

Technically, I guess we should also give it to idiots who have gone on record saying that they'll go to superspreader events without masks, but this probably shouldn't happen because we don't want to encourage that activity. I think that a happy medium is going it to people who can prove that they work jobs that are hard to do remotely. Its all about scare resources and who to give it to that will help curb the spread, not just protect people who are vulnerable who could just be quarantined.

I wonder if they will do something like this.
Example, give it to workers who are in close proximity of one another, has had a history of getting covid, but if something happens they work in an industry that wouldnt cripple the area (ie not nurses)

Very deep ethical decisions here.

ps I'm not implying that my example is what should happen... just trying to capture the concept if that makes sense.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I'll wait a year or so for other folks to take the plunge first. But I'll happily read trip reports in the meanwhile.

 

[Clamman73]

I would like to hear more about the logistics of moving the vaccine doses since they need to stay below a certain temperature until given. I.E. How does it leave Pfizers hand to shipping to who or where the dose is given.

 

[Seanual757]

With the temperature this needs to be at this means most likely a few large venues in each major city will be the distribution point (conventions centers and arenas) will house them because they can truck in large freezers to store the vaccine. The bigger issue is the majority of us will not be able to get one until the fall/winter of 2021 and early 2022. To only have roughly 500 million vaccines my end of spring 2021 world wide. We have a long way to go plus add the fact that you need to coordinate with the air transportation of this stuff.

 

[Seanual757]

I would like to hear more about the logistics of moving the vaccine doses since they need to stay below a certain temperature until given. I.E. How does it leave Pfizers hand to shipping to who or where the dose is given.

They will coordinate with several major players in the shipping world (Fed Ex, UPS, DHL, and even Amazon) since these guys have the trucks and planes they can transport them to their own aircraft. Other cargo carriers who are able to Atlas, Polar, NAC, ect... will partake even US Airlines that have been running wide body cargo flights since the pandemic.

This was always going to be the largest logistics issue a total of 12k cargo aircraft will be needed worldwide to transport the vaccine plus the facilities to distribute it. We do not know if the government has been working on a plan for this we do know the new administration already has for several months. They just do not know if the current administration has or has not since they are not communicating.

Arenas and convention centers will be the major players in housing these vaccines large facilities, easy to offer drive thru, and the room for large freezers.

Take Orlando for example they can use 1 of the 2 convention centers, the Amway Center, UCF Arena, ect...... that covers 3 parts of central Florida.

 

[JIMINYCR]

What do you mean they don't know how people will be affected by it being introduced into the body? That is exactly what trials do look at. No rate can be proven exactly either, but again the trials show estimated rates.

What do I mean???? I mean exactly what I said. We dont know. Yes, this vaccine has gone through trials... but not the normal route. Because of the extreme cases and deaths and widespread incidents, there has been a rush to get it out. In the past other vaccines have been in trials for long term before release to the public. Vaccines used for other illnesses have been sold to the public as safe only to have questionable results and side effects. Not being a conspiracy person and not being an anti-vaccine person, I know theres a lot of parents who link their childrens cause of autism to vaccines. So until this gets distributed in large scale numbers and we see the results, we dont know how it will handle the virus. Trials only can tell so much.

 

[correcaminos]

What do I mean???? I mean exactly what I said. We dont know. Yes, this vaccine has gone through trials... but not the normal route. Because of the extreme cases and deaths and widespread incidents, there has been a rush to get it out. In the past other vaccines have been in trials for long term before release to the public. Vaccines used for other illnesses have been sold to the public as safe only to have questionable results and side effects. Not being a conspiracy person and not being an anti-vaccine person, I know theres a lot of parents who link their childrens cause of autism to vaccines. So until this gets distributed in large scale numbers and we see the results, we dont know how it will handle the virus. Trials only can tell so much.

This vaccine was not a part of Operation Warp Speed. This vaccine, a trial i have been a part of, has had no stoppages for any health issues whatsoever. There have been no widespread incidents with any of the trials. These trials took a good portion of different types of people and even immune compromised people as well as adolescents to check how it will be. Please stop spreading wrong information. It helps no one....

 

[Kamikaze]

What do I mean???? I mean exactly what I said. We dont know. Yes, this vaccine has gone through trials... but not the normal route. Because of the extreme cases and deaths and widespread incidents, there has been a rush to get it out. In the past other vaccines have been in trials for long term before release to the public. Vaccines used for other illnesses have been sold to the public as safe only to have questionable results and side effects. Not being a conspiracy person and not being an anti-vaccine person, I know theres a lot of parents who link their childrens cause of autism to vaccines. So until this gets distributed in large scale numbers and we see the results, we dont know how it will handle the virus. Trials only can tell so much.

The current trial is 42,000 people.

They are following a perfectly normal and sensible route thus far for a vaccine//treatment.

They may apply for a faster than normal approval, but thus far none of that is the case.

You should also know that the flu shot is around 40% effective each year. Sometimes a little more, sometimes less. Even if this 90% number is actually 75%, thats extremely good news.

 

[NickMaio]

What do you mean they don't know how people will be affected by it being introduced into the body? That is exactly what trials do look at. No rate can be proven exactly either, but again the trials show estimated rates.

40 000 is nothing like 400 million.
Or 1 billion.

Its scary new ground.

 

[Trackmaster]

I wonder if they will do something like this.
Example, give it to workers who are in close proximity of one another, has had a history of getting covid, but if something happens they work in an industry that wouldnt cripple the area (ie not nurses)

Very deep ethical decisions here.

ps I'm not implying that my example is what should happen... just trying to capture the concept if that makes sense.

That's true, we have 1,000's of years of deep philosophic theory to build off of that goes beyond the basic cut and dry utilitarian decisions. Although you could argue that at this point in society that we're getting back to utilitarian and just doing what seems to maximize utility the best. That's what I prefer at least.

At this point, when you have a very limited supply, I don't think that people should be prioritized just because they're high risk when they can simply continue to be quarantined. I guess you could even further justify this by saying that at that point for the high risk people its a comfort issue and not a real mortality issue.

 

[Chi84]

With the temperature this needs to be at this means most likely a few large venues in each major city will be the distribution point (conventions centers and arenas) will house them because they can truck in large freezers to store the vaccine. The bigger issue is the majority of us will not be able to get one until the fall/winter of 2021 and early 2022. To only have roughly 500 million vaccines my end of spring 2021 world wide. We have a long way to go plus add the fact that you need to coordinate with the air transportation of this stuff.

Where did you hear fall/winter of 2021 and early 2022?

 

[Disneyfreak Jen]

I will delay getting this vaccine for as long as possible. Too much political agenda surrounding this situation.

 

[correcaminos]

40 000 is nothing like 400 million.
Or 1 billion.

Its scary new ground.

Do you vaccinate anyone? Cuz this is how it works for vaccines. If not, sorry I have nothing else to say to science deniers.

I will delay getting this vaccine for as long as possible. Too much political agenda surrounding this situation.

This was not political at all. A German company teamed up with an American one. Took no federal funding. It was for the good of the world not politics.

 

[Kamikaze]

40 000 is nothing like 400 million.
Or 1 billion.

Its scary new ground.

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[wendysue]

I can't imagine things ever going back to just the way they were, but I'll be in line to get that vaccine as soon as available.