Petes Silly Sideshow coming to Storybook Circus

MAF

MAF

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jt04 said:
And to think we could have had PH/Neverland or Wonderland with the eventuality of a new state of the art E ticket.

But instead we are getting a rethemed Dinorama that is just as out of place. Sorry to be critical but the more I see the more I think Glendale (WDI) has people that likes playing jokes on WDW. Because this is not in the same ballpark as the effort and imagination that is going into creating the new DCA. Night and day.
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Coming from the person who claimed WDW management could do no wrong and that the plans to build the cottages were still on track and the mine train was a false rumor. :ROFLOL:
 
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WDWGoof07

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jt04 said:
I thought there was nothing we could 'armchair imagineer' that had not already been thought of by WDI. What we lost with the elimination of PH was a land that fit the overall FF theme and that could easily have been plussed in the future. And if they didn't want to do PH they could have done Wonderland or myriad other concepts that fit the FF theme. The mentality that allows the Laugh Floor and Stitch to ruin Tommorrowland is the same mentality at work with Dinorama and Circusville. I have not yet figured out if it is from lack of imagination, vision, I.Q. or just plain laziness. Possibly a combination of all the above. Something has been lost at TWDC when it comes to great creativity. Great is never easy and John Lasseter can't do everyone's job for them obviously.
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jt04 said:
What set me off is the new concept art out there that indicates the houses are staying. Not only does the makeover get cheaper by the day but it appears they have thrown in the towel on backstory. The one possible way to have redeemed this mess would have been to make it a traveling circus visiting the FF....

but noooooooOOOOOOOoooooo, they just couldn't make that leap. :brick:
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Circusland is not necessarily a part of the Fantasyland Forest. I trust Disney will make that distinction, which, I might add, does not indicate any laziness on WDI's part. A backstory is not totally necessary, though a good one would certainly be welcome.

Your opposition to Circusland is at least based on the warped perception that tents equal cheap. The medieval fair look has worked in Fantasyland for years and should not be forsaken just because of DL's New Fantasyland. I happen to like both. The vibrant colors of the medieval tents in MK's current Fantasyland make the entire land very whimsical in contrast to the more understated majesty of the lands along the Rivers of America just next door. In this respect, Fantasyland complements Liberty Square/Frontierland very well. Circusland will occupy this role as well. As far as I'm concerned, with all their years of experience, it is most likely that WDI will improve in their work with a tent motif.

P.S. Whatever your opinion is on his attraction, Stitch does fit in Tomorrowland because he is a sci-fi character. "Monsters, Inc." wouldn't fit without the Tomorrowland Expo backstory, but the attraction is good enough that I am willing to buy in to the backstory and enjoy the attraction where it is built.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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jt04 said:
We are not talking a massive change to have done this right. So comparing it to DCA in scope is a complete misreading of what I am saying. But this area should have been DCA quality which should be the norm now for all projects. I thought Dinorama-esque projects were of the past. Apparently not. Sorry to be cliche but if it is not worth doing right it is not worth doing. The new guy is obviously not a professional Imagineer anymore than Al Gore is a meteorologist. :zipit:


And giving credit to Lutz for DCA is like crediting you know who for you know what. :rolleyes:



Thanks for letting me vent. :lol:
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Venting is healthy, and I honestly do get where you are coming from. And the Algore jabs guarantee I'll save you a seat next to me. :lol:

I just think we all need to see more about this Circusland concept before we slam it completely. I'm not too impressed by it from what we know, but when you stop and think about it we know very little and are only going off a couple blurry concept sketches drawn from a mythical blimp hovering 1,000 feet above the Magic Kingdom.

I've said this before, but it would be so helpful to Disney to build buzz on the FLE project if they had a Blue Sky Cellar Preview Center type facility in the Magic Kingdom. DCA's Blue Sky Cellar just rotated through last month to it's fourth all-new exhibit on the DCA makeover project since it opened in 2008.

Before we condemn Circusland to a Dinorama category, it would be so helpful if Disney could release more artwork, display some models, put up some exhibits describing the design and creative process behind all of FLE. We just don't have enough info and artwork to go on yet for FLE, and especially the Circusland portion of the project that has seen very little info leak out about it.

Why TDO hasn't installed a New Fantasyland Preview Center is beyond me! Imagineering has already shown a great willingness and passion to display and rotate new exhibits through the DCA Preview Center, so you can't blame WDI's normally secretive culture. The lack of a Preview Center in the Magic Kingdom, or anywhere on WDW property, would seem to rest solely with the Team Disney Orlando organization led by Meg Crofton.

It's a stupid move to avoid all that free publicity, if you ask me. TDO doesn't seem to know how to connect with fans, or have any desire to even get close to them. Baffling! :veryconfu
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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TP2000 said:
Why TDO hasn't installed a New Fantasyland Preview Center is beyond me! Imagineering has already shown a great willingness and passion to display and rotate new exhibits through the DCA Preview Center, so you can't blame WDI's normally secretive culture. The lack of a Preview Center in the Magic Kingdom, or anywhere on WDW property, would seem to rest solely with the Team Disney Orlando organization led by Meg Crofton.

It's a stupid move to avoid all that free publicity, if you ask me. TDO doesn't seem to know how to connect with fans, or have any desire to even get close to them. Baffling! :veryconfu
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There is a display about the new Fantasyland in One Man's Dream over at DHS, but it's not where near the scope of what they get in Blue Sky Cellar.

Dan
 
jt04

jt04

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TP2000 said:
Venting is healthy, and I honestly do get where you are coming from. And the Algore jabs guarantee I'll save you a seat next to me. :lol:

I just think we all need to see more about this Circusland concept before we slam it completely. I'm not too impressed by it from what we know, but when you stop and think about it we know very little and are only going off a couple blurry concept sketches drawn from a mythical blimp hovering 1,000 feet above the Magic Kingdom.

I've said this before, but it would be so helpful to Disney to build buzz on the FLE project if they had a Blue Sky Cellar Preview Center type facility in the Magic Kingdom. DCA's Blue Sky Cellar just rotated through last month to it's fourth all-new exhibit on the DCA makeover project since it opened in 2008.

Before we condemn Circusland to a Dinorama category, it would be so helpful if Disney could release more artwork, display some models, put up some exhibits describing the design and creative process behind all of FLE. We just don't have enough info and artwork to go on yet for FLE, and especially the Circusland portion of the project that has seen very little info leak out about it.

Why TDO hasn't installed a New Fantasyland Preview Center is beyond me! Imagineering has already shown a great willingness and passion to display and rotate new exhibits through the DCA Preview Center, so you can't blame WDI's normally secretive culture. The lack of a Preview Center in the Magic Kingdom, or anywhere on WDW property, would seem to rest solely with the Team Disney Orlando organization led by Meg Crofton.

It's a stupid move to avoid all that free publicity, if you ask me. TDO doesn't seem to know how to connect with fans, or have any desire to even get close to them. Baffling! :veryconfu
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I have suggested they use the atrium in the Inagination pavillion. It is the perfect setting and would generate traffic to the area and great publicity. It is puzzling they don't have a preview center. It could also generate buzz (and sell tickets) for the DCL by having an area dedicated to that division.
 
jt04

jt04

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WDWGoof07 said:
Circusland is not necessarily a part of the Fantasyland Forest. I trust Disney will make that distinction, which, I might add, does not indicate any laziness on WDI's part. A backstory is not totally necessary, though a good one would certainly be welcome.

Your opposition to Circusland is at least based on the warped perception that tents equal cheap. The medieval fair look has worked in Fantasyland for years and should not be forsaken just because of DL's New Fantasyland. I happen to like both. The vibrant colors of the medieval tents in MK's current Fantasyland make the entire land very whimsical in contrast to the more understated majesty of the lands along the Rivers of America just next door. In this respect, Fantasyland complements Liberty Square/Frontierland very well. Circusland will occupy this role as well. As far as I'm concerned, with all their years of experience, it is most likely that WDI will improve in their work with a tent motif.

P.S. Whatever your opinion is on his attraction, Stitch does fit in Tomorrowland because he is a sci-fi character. "Monsters, Inc." wouldn't fit without the Tomorrowland Expo backstory, but the attraction is good enough that I am willing to buy in to the backstory and enjoy the attraction where it is built.
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Unfortunately Circusville will not be based on medieval aesthetics as far as I can see. This is the direction they could have gone. But it appears that they are going for pure americana with no connection to the rest of the FLE. They had so many other options that would not have cost a cent more and would have fit the area much better. This land is not temporary. We are stuck with whatever we get. WDI was moving in a very different direction with the FLE. I undestand there were problems with that but the solutions are comperable to and of the same mindset that gave us Dinorama and CMM. Obviously WDI was 'managed' to get to this outcome. Please don't accuse me of pointing the finger at WDI. I am certain at least some Imagineers see that this is not the ideal scenario for the FLE. I'm also sure many are afraid to speak their mind about it. Just a hunch.

In my opinion, the Circus theme is akin to putting something like the primeval whirl on the World Showcase promenade. A slight exaggeration to make the point clear. Because if you think I was blaming WDI then you probably need to have it made as clear as possible as to what I am saying.

PS It is Tomorrowland not Sci Fi Land. Yet. Personally I wouldn't mind if they made it Sci Fi Land. That would solve many issues.
 
WDW FTW

WDW FTW

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jt04 said:
Proof please. The latest rendering released to the CM's at the "end-of-mickey's-birthday-starland-toontown-celebration" showed the houses remaining. :shrug:
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I don't see any houses... proof? :drevil:
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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WDW FTW said:
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I don't see any houses... proof? :drevil:
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense that they would release this concept art and then make a change that dramatic a few weeks latter, and it doesn't make sense to have Mini and Mickey's houses in the middle of a circus themed area. Not mention that even with the change to the speedway track, Dumbo would still end up partially in Mini's front yard.
 
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WDWGoof07

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jt04 said:
Unfortunately Circusville will not be based on medieval aesthetics as far as I can see. This is the direction they could have gone. But it appears that they are going for pure americana with no connection to the rest of the FLE. They had so many other options that would not have cost a cent more and would have fit the area much better. This land is not temporary. We are stuck with whatever we get. WDI was moving in a very different direction with the FLE. I undestand there were problems with that but the solutions are comperable to and of the same mindset that gave us Dinorama and CMM. Obviously WDI was 'managed' to get to this outcome. Please don't accuse me of pointing the finger at WDI. I am certain at least some Imagineers see that this is not the ideal scenario for the FLE. I'm also sure many are afraid to speak their mind about it. Just a hunch.

In my opinion, the Circus theme is akin to putting something like the primeval whirl on the World Showcase promenade. A slight exaggeration to make the point clear. Because if you think I was blaming WDI then you probably need to have it made as clear as possible as to what I am saying.

PS It is Tomorrowland not Sci Fi Land. Yet. Personally I wouldn't mind if they made it Sci Fi Land. That would solve many issues.
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Of course Circusland is not based on a medieval theme. My point was that Disney has been successful with a tent motif before, and it is likely, with their experience, they will do even better with it this time. Give them a chance. At this point, we know little about it. Wait until we know more about it before passing judgment.

I'll say it again. Circusland is not necessarily connected with the Fantasyland Forest in a thematic sense, nor does it need to be. Your example of placing Primeval Whirl on the World Showcase promenade, though you acknowledge it as exaggerated, is not analogous to this situation. World Showcase is an entire land by itself. Its theme demands a certain cohesion based upon architecture that is highly representative of the host countries. Contrast this with the case of Circusland. It could be considered its own land, but, even if it is associated with Fantasyland, it still works because of the myriad themes and fanciful architectural styles that currently exist alongside the medieval tents.
 
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DisneyNut2007

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WDWGoof07, you've raised some valid points, but I cannot agree with you on calling the Tinker Bell movies "mediocre", because they are not. They're very well done.
 
jt04

jt04

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WDW FTW said:
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I don't see any houses... proof? :drevil:
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danlb_2000 said:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that they would release this concept art and then make a change that dramatic a few weeks latter, and it doesn't make sense to have Mini and Mickey's houses in the middle of a circus themed area. Not mention that even with the change to the speedway track, Dumbo would still end up partially in Mini's front yard.
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I saw it with my own unblinking eye. Perhaps the site you linked to pulled the artwork.

WDWGoof07 said:
Of course Circusland is not based on a medieval theme. My point was that Disney has been successful with a tent motif before, and it is likely, with their experience, they will do even better with it this time. Give them a chance. At this point, we know little about it. Wait until we know more about it before passing judgment.

I'll say it again. Circusland is not necessarily connected with the Fantasyland Forest in a thematic sense, nor does it need to be. Your example of placing Primeval Whirl on the World Showcase promenade, though you acknowledge it as exaggerated, is not analogous to this situation. World Showcase is an entire land by itself. Its theme demands a certain cohesion based upon architecture that is highly representative of the host countries. Contrast this with the case of Circusland. It could be considered its own land, but, even if it is associated with Fantasyland, it still works because of the myriad themes and fanciful architectural styles that currently exist alongside the medieval tents.
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Well we will just have to agree that we utterly disagree. Problem is if you are wrong (and you are) we are stuck with the results for decades. :hurl:
 
Captain Chaos

Captain Chaos

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jt04 said:
I saw it with my own unblinking eye. Perhaps the site you linked to pulled the artwork.



Well we will just have to agree that we utterly disagree. Problem is if you are wrong (and you are) we are stuck with the results for decades. :hurl:
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JT, please provide the proof that the houses are remaining... The proof that they aren't staying is in the released concept art... So, you make these wild accusations, back up what you are saying... others have provided my proof that the houses are going... The concept art proves it... If you have seen other concept art that shows otherwise, post it.. If not, then stop posting silly nonsense....

BTW, doctors can prescribe you medicine to help you to stop seeing things that aren't there...
 
Lee

Lee

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*sigh*:rolleyes:
The houses are not staying. Absolutely, positevely, without a doubt...they are leaving.

The only art released recently to cast was the one from the closing party the other night.
It does, in fact show the houses....however if you will notice...it is art of Toontown Fair, not Storybook Circus. :lol:

I assume that's what jt is thinking he saw, since there is no art showing the houses in Storybook Circus.
 

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