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Petes Silly Sideshow coming to Storybook Circus
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jt04
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And to think we could have had PH/Neverland or Wonderland with the eventuality of a new state of the art E ticket.
But instead we are getting a rethemed Dinorama that is just as out of place. Sorry to be critical but the more I see the more I think Glendale (WDI) has people that likes playing jokes on WDW. Because this is not in the same ballpark as the effort and imagination that is going into creating the new DCA. Night and day.
But instead we are getting a rethemed Dinorama that is just as out of place. Sorry to be critical but the more I see the more I think Glendale (WDI) has people that likes playing jokes on WDW. Because this is not in the same ballpark as the effort and imagination that is going into creating the new DCA. Night and day.
Have no clue what it is, but I'll assume its going into one of the tents.
Is this an actual attraction, or one of the "themed" posters for the new circusland area?
roadtripper
Member
Perhaps it's one of the three ring circus things that you get to do while waiting in line for Dumbo?
Neither a Neverland area nor a Wonderland area was ever considered by WDI. Likewise, there was never any discussion of a possible start-of-the-art E-Ticket in this area. These were just the ideas of armchair Imagineers on discussion boards. Say what you want about the loss of Pixie Hollow, but it's unreasonable to be agitated over not getting something that was never even hinted at.
I think Circusland is a big improvement over Pixie Hollow. Pixie Hollow was just too narrowly focused on little girls, and it was based on a mediocre direct-to-video franchise. Circusland should appeal to the same audience that enjoyed Toontown Fair, and its theme of an idealized circus is more timeless and more appealing to a wider audience. I'm confident that even adults will enjoy the show under the Big Top that's part of the NextGen queue for Dumbo. If WDI does it right, the land should sparkle with many lights at nighttime.
I think it's unreasonable for the naysayers to write off Circusland just because of a poster for something totally unknown.
Couldn't agree with you more.
So, we're supposed to be excited about a tent show from the same people that brought us Stitch's Supersonic Dance Party?
Oh, and you can guarantee there will be carney games back there as well.
I understand that the budget from this area went to the Snow White coaster, but this area is about as cheap as it gets. I know that the argument will be that Walt originally had a circus theme for Disneyland, but it's 60 years later. Circuses don't have nearly the attraction that they did back then. What an enormously tacky waste of space.
jt04
Well-Known Member
I thought there was nothing we could 'armchair imagineer' that had not already been thought of by WDI. What we lost with the elimination of PH was a land that fit the overall FF theme and that could easily have been plussed in the future. And if they didn't want to do PH they could have done Wonderland or myriad other concepts that fit the FF theme. The mentality that allows the Laugh Floor and Stitch to ruin Tommorrowland is the same mentality at work with Dinorama and Circusville. I have not yet figured out if it is from lack of imagination, vision, I.Q. or just plain laziness. Possibly a combination of all the above. Something has been lost at TWDC when it comes to great creativity. Great is never easy and John Lasseter can't do everyone's job for them obviously.
Yep. And thanks for confirming I am not alone in this.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
jt, my good buddy, you've thrown us a curve ball here. You are generally one to spin stuff to the positive, but on this one you've really spun this to the negative. And I have to say, I don't think it's quite that bad. Toontown Fair was not a strong part of the Magic Kingdom, and second only to maybe Tomorrowland in spots, dare I say it was the weakest link in the MK's themed environments? Circusland could/should be more thoroughly designed and themed than MK's version of Toontown ever was, in any of the names that area has had since 1988. Even in its late 1990's heyday, Toontown Fair still felt and looked temporary around the edges. And it aged very poorly from there.
I would caution my fellow Disney fans back East from using the 1.2 Billion Dollar DCA Extreme Makeover as a point of reference for any other theme park project now, or in the immediate future. What they are doing at DCA is stunning, and pictures don't nearly do it justice. (I took a morning sightseeing stroll through DCA this week, and kept picking my jaw up off the ground.) We'll likely never see this type of massive all-at-once investment in a Disney park again in our lifetimes. If there is a Phase 2 or 3 for DCA, those will be much smaller, more surgical makeover projects to the few existing DCA weak spots left.
To use that type of massive investment as an argument for "Why can't we get stuff like that?!" is just not healthy or constructive. DCA is a total aberration, and the makeover only exists due to an extremely lucky and once-in-a-lifetime alignment of top executive interest and willing investment dollars, sprinkled with a decade of national media embarassment from a few very vocal and effective critics (cough Al Lutz cough). But take just one of those things out of the executive/creative equation, or move the timeline on its 1.2 Billion dollar budget approval by 10 or 12 months, or get Al Lutz interested in collecting stamps 12 years ago instead of the Internet, and the DCA makeover likely never would have happened on this huge scale.
The New Fantasyland project, including the plans for the Toontown Fair property, is something else entirely. That is simply a project to make better use of space and add a bit of ride capacity to the most highly attended theme park in Disney's empire. By comparing New Fantasyland of 2010-13 to the DCA Extreme Makeover of 2009-12, you only set yourself up for heartache. It's just not a fair comparison, and no theme park could win when stacked up against what is happening in DCA right now.
ryanduggers
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Mansion Butler
Active Member
I actually love the posters around Tomorrowland. I just wished the rest of the land embraced that sort of retrofuture.
I love retrofuture asthetics, and with Epcot, I don't think the Magic Kingdom needs a land that embraces a realistic tomorrow. An art deco fantasy tomorrow is and can be awesome.
Wow this is off topic. I just love those posters.
Also, I'm not going to get upset about this little picture until I find out it somehow hampers a Fantasyland expansion I'm happy about.
I love retrofuture asthetics, and with Epcot, I don't think the Magic Kingdom needs a land that embraces a realistic tomorrow. An art deco fantasy tomorrow is and can be awesome.
Wow this is off topic. I just love those posters.
Also, I'm not going to get upset about this little picture until I find out it somehow hampers a Fantasyland expansion I'm happy about.
mightynine
Well-Known Member
I just want to thank TP2000 for bringing a little common sense to counterpoint the Chicken Littleing these boards are suffering from these days.
jt04
Well-Known Member
jt, my good buddy, you've thrown us a curve ball here. You are generally one to spin stuff to the positive, but on this one you've really spun this to the negative. And I have to say, I don't think it's quite that bad. Toontown Fair was not a strong part of the Magic Kingdom, and second only to maybe Tomorrowland in spots, dare I say it was the weakest link in the MK's themed environments? Circusland could/should be more thoroughly designed and themed than MK's version of Toontown ever was, in any of the names that area has had since 1988. Even in its late 1990's heyday, Toontown Fair still felt and looked temporary around the edges. And it aged very poorly from there.
I would caution my fellow Disney fans back East from using the 1.2 Billion Dollar DCA Extreme Makeover as a point of reference for any other theme park project now, or in the immediate future. What they are doing at DCA is stunning, and pictures don't nearly do it justice. (I took a morning sightseeing stroll through DCA this week, and kept picking my jaw up off the ground.) We'll likely never see this type of massive all-at-once investment in a Disney park again in our lifetimes. If there is a Phase 2 or 3 for DCA, those will be much smaller, more surgical makeover projects to the few existing DCA weak spots left.
To use that type of massive investment as an argument for "Why can't we get stuff like that?!" is just not healthy or constructive. DCA is a total aberration, and the makeover only exists due to an extremely lucky and once-in-a-lifetime alignment of top executive interest and willing investment dollars, sprinkled with a decade of national media embarassment from a few very vocal and effective critics (cough Al Lutz cough). But take just one of those things out of the executive/creative equation, or move the timeline on its 1.2 Billion dollar budget approval by 10 or 12 months, or get Al Lutz interested in collecting stamps 12 years ago instead of the Internet, and the DCA makeover likely never would have happened on this huge scale.
The New Fantasyland project, including the plans for the Toontown Fair property, is something else entirely. That is simply a project to make better use of space and add a bit of ride capacity to the most highly attended theme park in Disney's empire. By comparing New Fantasyland of 2010-13 to the DCA Extreme Makeover of 2009-12, you only set yourself up for heartache. It's just not a fair comparison, and no theme park could win when stacked up against what is happening in DCA right now.
We are not talking a massive change to have done this right. So comparing it to DCA in scope is a complete misreading of what I am saying. But this area should have been DCA quality which should be the norm now for all projects. I thought Dinorama-esque projects were of the past. Apparently not. Sorry to be cliche but if it is not worth doing right it is not worth doing. The new guy is obviously not a professional Imagineer anymore than Al Gore is a meteorologist. :zipit:
And giving credit to Lutz for DCA is like crediting you know who for you know what.
Thanks for letting me vent. :lol:
jt04
Well-Known Member
What set me off is the new concept art out there that indicates the houses are staying. Not only does the makeover get cheaper by the day but it appears they have thrown in the towel on backstory. The one possible way to have redeemed this mess would have been to make it a traveling circus visiting the FF....
but noooooooOOOOOOOoooooo, they just couldn't make that leap. :brick:
PS-- to the above poster....
Trust me, the sky is falling. And it isn't from too much co2. :lookaroun
JustInTime
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WE all know a Pete M&G is coming. And there will be Meet and Greets in the tents. So why not?