erasure fan1
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Don't forget the Tink on a string.
I would be all for them doing a complete refresh of the ride. I would keep the ride exactly as it is but with all new tech.
And a few projection screens for good measure.
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Peter Pan queue? Did construction start yet?
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I would be all for them doing a complete refresh of the ride. I would keep the ride exactly as it is but with all new tech.
And a few projection screens for good measure.
Magenta Panther
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Don't forget the Tink on a string.
I would be all for them doing a complete refresh of the ride. I would keep the ride exactly as it is but with all new tech.
And a few projection screens for good measure.
The ride is so charming as is, but yeah, it's way overdue for an update. Or a refresh, as you say, with new tech. If done right, it could be amazing.
MerlinTheGoat
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Don't forget the Tink on a string.
I would be all for them doing a complete refresh of the ride. I would keep the ride exactly as it is but with all new tech.
And a few projection screens for good measure.
I'm in favor of a major overhaul with new tech. But the rational part of me feels that if it ever happened, we'd be getting more than just a "few" projection screens. With the way things are going nowadays at Disney, the entire ride could very well turn into just another Soarin-style ride and potentially even do away with most or all of the physical sets and character elements.
Yes if done right it could be amazing, but i'm not going to assume it would be done right regardless. And given how ridiculously long the line always is (even long before fast pass it got really long lines), I don't see Disney even bothering to do jack to the ride itself. Queue changes are basically inevitable at this point for obvious reasons, and mostly because they will probably find a way to make queue changes without even closing the ride down (like they did with Pooh). But as long as the ride continues to get ridiculously long lines, there is no reason to think that Disney leadership sees any need whatsoever to make any changes to the ride itself.
Peter Pan's Flight has a ton of nostalgia for me. But riding Paris' version of the ride (which is apparently almost exactly the same as California's but with some very nice lighting enhancements) put things into better perspective. It will show you just how dated and in need of an update Florida's is. I would love an update to more modern standards. But the other half of me knows it probably won't happen anytime soon if ever (likely the latter as long as the ride continues to remain popular and current business tactics remain in place). And they could easily screw it up if they went all projection-only on the thing...
ebof1023
Active Member
Not only the queue but the whole ride itself
not only the queue and the ride, but also the signage on the outside.
(Lets see how long we can keep this going.)
Lexxweb
Active Member
Yeah, I think the queue needs to be updated, the whole thing should be hidden from street view. Fantasyland is already overcrowded, then you look at the congested line and it almost makes you feel claustrophobic. Change the whole queue, turn the current entrance into a wall (a pretty..themed wall) so you can't see the queue/load platform from the street.
Then, move the entrance to the side facing the tangled bathrooms. This way when guests enter we can move them directly to the right in the new interactive queue, and have the remainder of the queue completely indoors.
I feel like the modern Fantasyland is stemming away from the carnival-esque feel of the past and going into a more live storybook feel. Looks better and more majestic, so I think now that Disney is finishing up New Fantasyland it's time to bring the rest of old Fantasyland up to date. This includes new exteriors and interactive more personal queues. These back-and-forths where you can see the streets outside is a very dated queue approach, and I think Disney realizes this and feels the need to get away from that look.
After PP go through and update the exteriors for IASW and PhilharMagic. If we want to go crazy, perhaps a new skin for the carousel? Kinda like how Dumbo got a modern/classy makeover. Same classic ride, but more modern and luxurious. Totally works for the Fantasyland of today.
Then, move the entrance to the side facing the tangled bathrooms. This way when guests enter we can move them directly to the right in the new interactive queue, and have the remainder of the queue completely indoors.
I feel like the modern Fantasyland is stemming away from the carnival-esque feel of the past and going into a more live storybook feel. Looks better and more majestic, so I think now that Disney is finishing up New Fantasyland it's time to bring the rest of old Fantasyland up to date. This includes new exteriors and interactive more personal queues. These back-and-forths where you can see the streets outside is a very dated queue approach, and I think Disney realizes this and feels the need to get away from that look.
After PP go through and update the exteriors for IASW and PhilharMagic. If we want to go crazy, perhaps a new skin for the carousel? Kinda like how Dumbo got a modern/classy makeover. Same classic ride, but more modern and luxurious. Totally works for the Fantasyland of today.
ToTBellHop
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Not only the queue, ride, and signage, but also the audio. Took me awhile to realize "Schmire Misher Schmee" was actually, "Fire, Mr. Smee!"
dreamfinder
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As much as people like to bash Jim Hill, he has an article up today about some of the possible reasons why the old restrooms are still there.
And turn the line into claustrophobia heaven? Most of the (all of the?) enclosed queues have much more space than PP does.
And turn the line into claustrophobia heaven? Most of the (all of the?) enclosed queues have much more space than PP does.
Lexxweb
Active Member
I'm not sure if claustrophobia heaven is a good thing or bad thing considering claustrophobia is bad and heaven is good.
My point is, right now PP is a claustrophobic nightmare. With an indoor/air conditioned/interactive queue it could be better spread out and a much more enjoyable line. I'm not prone to anxiety but my blood boils just looking at the PP queue from the Fantasyland streets it totally stresses me out.
I think another positive to even switching where the attraction entrance over to the side near the old bathrooms would be manipulating the guest flow and creating more of an open space throughout Fantasyland. Right now you have two major attraction entrances across from each other (PP + IASW) separated by only 30ish feet. Greeter portals are notorious for getting flooded with guests thus making the area super congested.
I just think it would help if the entrance was around the corner and you went into an indoor queue with a little more room and some A/C to breathe in. It's a dark ride, all dark rides should have a queue indoors that sets the mood and begins the story.
Sped2424
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why do people bash him if you don't mind me asking
Genie of the Lamp
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I was coming here just to post/link that article. He says the main reasons why construction projects like the PP bathroom removal/expanded queue project are the delays of MDE/MM+ and them running behind schedule:
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...mhillmediacom+(JimHillMedia.com)#.UWK1cJNQFI4
dreamfinder
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why do people bash him if you don't mind me asking
Hard to say. Some of his posts are a bit out in left field? And he has fairly lengthy posts on numerous projects that he pretty much assures will happen, that never see the light of day. Which I don't see as being that different than anyone else who tries to read tea leaves to predict the direction of WDW, he just is trying to make a living from it. Unlike some of the insiders here who can sit on things as long as they want/need until they feel comfortable with the info they have, Jim needs to keep turning out articles to keep viewers on his site. So he may publish stuff based off a single source that delaying the post/doing some extra fact checking might have changed. My biggest peeve is that the stuff he does a great job on, some of his more factual Did Ya Know? type articles are becoming fewer and farther between. And he has several series of articles that he started, but never really wrapped up.
Ever think about how much they spend on the themed scrims for when they do refurbs? But when you look at the reported total budget for next-gen (some place north of $500 million, maybe way north) dropping $500 on 6 themed stumps is nothing. If the outlets were already in place, get a little good will from guests by letting them charge there. And who knows, the kiosks may actually be integrating somehow into the stumps themselves. Personally, a face plate over an 4 way outlet that doesn't even come close to matching the surrounding screams last minute job to me. If it was a long term installation, would it have killed them to get brown outlets and boxes? To at least try to match the stump?
Occasional Guest
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I feel that I may be the only one but I enjoy the simplistic nature of the effects on Peter Pan. It's a nice break for me from the over the top Soarin and Mission Space type attractions. I would welcome an updated que and cleaned up audio as well as a general cleaning but a redo of the ride would make me sad.
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I feel the same...I adore it's simplicity as a classic attraction....but what fun they could have with the queue!
It's a must do attraction for me....
muteki
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The ride itself is great. I even like it better than Disneyland's. If they fixed up the exterior (don't really like the wall off idea, to me it would make that corridor feel just as if not more claustrophobic) I think it would go a long way.
why do people bash him if you don't mind me asking
I know he has written some articles that have really seemed like talking down to the WDW fan community/defending TDO in general. Things like "be happy you get what you get" and "you are asking for too much". He is probably correct to some extent - but you aren't going to make a lot of friends here or elsewhere like that.
I don't mind him too much, he seems fairly informed and podcasts are enjoyable to listen to, but I think he walks a fine line between TWDC and fans and it is hard to figure out where he is coming from at times.
Gabe1
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why do people bash him if you don't mind me asking
Jim's style isn't what modern sights are, very old school but he does have some pretty good contacts that leak stuff in advance of Disney. Now many of the popular sights have contacts that are chosen to give info to, to get the word out, very different. Jim's blamed when his rumors don't materialize however I think more of that is on the ever, mind changing Disney, take the Wharf for example. Jim was the one I first heard, well in advance, the plans for AoA suites and boy did fans dump on him for that rumor. Not my favorite read but I have an appreciation for his contacts.
Gabe1
Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
PP was under skims forever when FLE started, it is a new facade. Disney planning has been horrid in blending the old FLE with the new and is very disjointed, the two clash miserably. The wall is pretty to enter the new but sticks out like a sore thumb with the old, doesn't blend with Pooh nor PP. Then leap over to Tangled potties and those don't blend with Small World nor Haunted Mansion. What were they thinking?
Wonder what the facade to the new meet and greet at the X-Snow building will look like. Make it blend with new FLE and it will look out of place with Pooh close, blend it to old FLE and it won't blend with the new entrance walls. And how they are going to blend the Dwarf remains to seen. Very much like seeing the Speedway from the Circus area. This whole project has been hit the dirt running and worry about details later.
Sped2424
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I read his article and I found it insightful so I think Ill be visiting his site regularly! Thank you for telling me though!