Peter Pan line Plusing is NOT the answer

JeffH

Active Member
Original Poster
Disney thinks that Plusing the Peter Pan line will fix this attraction...
I hope they consider the facts before wasting the money on Plusing Peter Pan.
Peter Pan is, since day one, is the most congested of all of the attractions.
It is a time honored family favorite, and it's demand will only increase as the park's capacity increases (i.e. w/New Fantasyland).
Simply put, the capacity of Peter Pan has never met the demand and is an ongoing frustration.
The only way to solve this problem is to build and upgrade the attraction in a new location (as I've mentioned in previous posts). And in doing so, the possibilities are endless as to what this attraction can become.
In the huge area behind the New Fantasyland, Peter Pan, Pixie Hollow, Mr. Toad (and Mickey's neighborhood) could all come together in one area further increasing the capacity of the Magic Kingdom and reducing the congestion around ItsAS.
And increased capacity means more people and more $$$ for Disney.
A dual-ride (like Mr. Toad was) should meet the demand sufficiently with double the capacity
A new building would allow your pirate ship to soar several stories above London
A longer attraction could depict more of the story and allow you to return back to London and the Darlings bedroom for the finish, making it more worth your wait in line.
New technology (like the amazing Jack Sparrow holograph at DHSs PotC attraction) could be added to make the ride even more amazing.
And all the construction would be hidden and Peter Pan would never need to go down...hell it could stay open for a while for those who want to ride the original one more time, to help handle the overflow from the opening of the new concept version...that would be weird.
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I'd love to fly out from the Darling's bedroom only to encounter a gentle yet thrilling little drop down towards Nana as Tinkerbell (utilizing fiber optics in the air and embedded on the pirate ship) sprinkles the twinkling pixie dust on us just in time to pull up, and see Nana floating up behind us as we then fly up above the (now larger) London city-scape past the moon and on-wards to Neverland, and return through London again after Hook's defeat.
During the ride we would swing around a cliff to find ourselves flying across the full-sized deck of Hook's ship as he takes a swing at us with his sword and as we fly off see the cannonballs fly by us. The holographic mermaids would be quite fetching, as would TigerLilly (missing from the current attraction). The final battle scene would occur all around us, and Peter in his victory could address us directly as we fly by.
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Bring back Mr. Toad at an actual Toad's Manor at the end of the London street where the Darlings live. Also expanded into a 2 or 3 story dual-adventure, with the movie now out on DVD (Mr. Toad was removed before the movie was ever released), Mr. Toad makes more sense than ever. It still exists at DL.
Pixie Hollow is a no-brainer with all the DVD releases and fairies to cross-promote, not to mention being in the same area as Peter Pan. And it also exists at DL.
and there still should be space left to bring back Mickey and Minnie's houses. It's ridiculous and insulting to Mickey to not have a personal meet and greet, like he had and still has at DL. Mickey's neighborhood could be integrated into the circus area providing a backdoor to this area to improve flow.
The old Peter Pan could either become a new princess attraction (Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel?) or another another meet and greet...
And the vacated Adventureland Veranda could now meet and greet Adventureland Characters like Baloo...
I wonder if any of the special effects planned for Snow White and Sleeping Beauty's cancelled Cottages are being integrated into the new princess meet and greet?
 

luv

Well-Known Member
I'm actually not a huge fan of Peter Pan. I am fine with it sucking a bunch of people into the line and away from stuff I like to do. :)

I agree that continuously-moving rides don't need FP, but am glad PP has it. When I must ride it, I'd hate to stand in line for an hour to do that.
 

JeffH

Active Member
Original Poster
It's interesting how it's Peter Pan who leads you to and gives you a tour of the New Fantasyland in the current commercial (I just saw).
 

party like it's 99

Well-Known Member
although i agree something must be done about the ride capacity and waiting time,i mean no one wants to wait an hour, i do not think the ride should be drastically changed. i'll be the first to say that holographics and new technology are great, but what's wrong with the classics. i say make the ride longer or something similar like they added to the beginning of pirates of the caribbean, but keep the simplicity. people visit disney expecting some memories they grew up with to be the same. most people are so eager for a more advanced peter pan attraction, but the simplicity is what allows a childs imagination to really take control.
 

Phineas

Well-Known Member
although i agree something must be done about the ride capacity and waiting time,i mean no one wants to wait an hour, i do not think the ride should be drastically changed. i'll be the first to say that holographics and new technology are great, but what's wrong with the classics. i say make the ride longer or something similar like they added to the beginning of pirates of the caribbean, but keep the simplicity. people visit disney expecting some memories they grew up with to be the same. most people are so eager for a more advanced peter pan attraction, but the simplicity is what allows a childs imagination to really take control.
I completely agree-there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this ride, other than its constant atrocious wait time. No drastic changes are really needed, save for some lengthening of the ride itself using old theater effects in Disney dark ride tradition. Nothing too huge or flashy.

And as for welcoming J Thaddeus Toad back to WDW, I am ALL for it. He's one of my favorite Disney characters of all time.
 

JeffH

Active Member
Original Poster
One line could experience the new high-tech attraction while the other utilizes the 'classic' components from the old attraction (with expanded storyline done in old style tech)...ride opens with new attraction while old attraction is physically transferred over and into place on the 2nd track. And if the lo-tech line should ever run empty and unappreciated, then it could be upgraded too.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Fastpass simply perpetuates the selfish, entitlement syndrome so pervasive in today's society.

It also bypasses the preshow/queues that were over half the show for a lot of attractions. The build up and anticipation is part of the psychology of entertainment. The queue for PoTC puts you in the mood. How would Jungle Cruise without the long lines and the radio announcements? (Sure it can be tedious, but think back to your first time!) Tower of Terror queue tells the story. Imagine Haunted Mansion without the preshow. Why would you want to miss out on what the Imagineers probably spent more time designing than the 3 minutes of the attraction? If you want a quick ride, then Six Flags has a few that are worth while.
 

hiptwinmama

Well-Known Member
I never understood why Pixie Hollow got cut instead of moved.... that was what I was most excited about when they first announced it. The I fell in love with SDMT.

While I would welcome an updated and larger version of Peter Pan, I think it is one of those ride you just don't touch. ( like Mr. Toad and Snow White... don't even get me started on that) That being said, if they moved it to a larger location, expanded it to make the ride longer and increase capacity and kept the overall feel of the ride I would be happy. But we all know that will never happen.

I think the next major project in MK needs to be a new track on Space Mountain. I love it, but last time I rode it my neck hurt the rest of the day and my husband who loves coasters can't ride it at all because the jerking hurts his back.
 

MerlinTheGoat

Well-Known Member
I'm sure due to the popularity, Pan won't be closing anytime soon. But it should be at least brought up to the standards of the versions at Disneyland and Paris. And giving it new double-row vehicles like Paris' will probably help with the capacity. Though I am sure it's in the plans to give it a queue upgrade like they've been doing to other rides recently. I've no problem with making everything look more pretty, including building a superior facade like in other parks. But the ride itself needs serious attention.

Space Mountain was apparently going to receive a new track during its last major refurb until the budget was mutilated and the ride reopened unfinished.
 

FettFan

Well-Known Member
I never understood why Pixie Hollow got cut instead of moved.... that was what I was most excited about when they first announced it. The I fell in love with SDMT.

1. Because Pixie Hollow was geared more towards little girls. That in itself was not a bad thing, but the fact is that the majority of New Fantasyland was already shaping up to be a girl's dream come true, given that their main attractions were slated to be the Little Mermaid ride, the Princess Meet and Greet area, and Enchanted Tales with Belle. If you look on the earliest maps for FLE, you will notice that the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is not on there....it was added later to appeal to boys. So PH was scrapped in favor of the gender neutral Storybook Circus, which had been planned since the 70s as a "Dumbo's Circusland" expansion.

2. Money. Pixie Hollow would have required scrapping the entire Mickeys Toontown Fair area. With Storybook Circus, two of the main attractions were already constructed, only requiring a bit of re-theming and plussing (Dumbo and Goofy's Barnstormer).

Mickey's Toontown Fair was also the home to a big moneymaker in Cornelius Coot's County Bounty gift shop. TDO was unwilling to close it, and since it already happened to be shaped like a circus tent, this only reinforced their decision.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
1. Because Pixie Hollow was geared more towards little girls. That in itself was not a bad thing, but the fact is that the majority of New Fantasyland was already shaping up to be a girl's dream come true, given that their main attractions were slated to be the Little Mermaid ride, the Princess Meet and Greet area, and Enchanted Tales with Belle. If you look on the earliest maps for FLE, you will notice that the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is not on there....it was added later to appeal to boys. So PH was scrapped in favor of the gender neutral Storybook Circus, which had been planned since the 70s as a "Dumbo's Circusland" expansion.

This argument has always seemed dumb to me. Most theme parks are naturally more geared to little boys. Even if the entirety of FL was considered a girl's area, all the boys would have left would be Tomorrow Land, Adventure Land, Frontier Land, and the majority of every other theme park every other company on the planet has ever built. Disney achieves balance through merchandising and meet and greets, but not in attractions. They should've built Pixie Hollow. It was a great idea.
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Pan is in dire need of an upgrade and refurbishing (even though I still love its retro self), and added capacity. But instead they use perfectly good money they could have budgeted towards that on interactive queue's/fastpass etc, while the ride itself will just continue to deteriorate. Sad.
 

pluto77

Well-Known Member
Mad as it may sound, remove Fastpass, FP+ and any other line bypass system.

One line will keep moving forward through the extra holding area.

Sadly, this will never happen.
I actually agree. Fast pass always slows down the regular line, but, for this ride, it is particularly noticeable.
 

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