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Ismael Flores

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Taking part of the Muppets queue for some sit down space.
they did that a few years back, i wonder where they would be able to take more? the seating area is already up against the entrance queue.

This will certainly be an interesting project.

will they finally get rid of the whole fake facade look and add themed walls to the area? when originally built they wasted quite a bit of real estate for that Muppet movie, the queue was overly long and then they had a fastpass queue wasted a huge area of property between the entrance and exit where they had fastpass machine.

The upper facade was fun to look at but the bottom level was a mess. Anyone remember this pile of metal beams?
 

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disneylandcm

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I didn't think DCA has any relation with Disneyland in terms of backstage usage. DCA was underdeveloped with vacant land that will soon be put into use so being concerned about the Grand Californian taking up DCA space doesn't make a good argument. I don't consider this hotel to be in DCA. It is clearly outside the park.

You make a good point about Disneyland losing backstage space, but it's increasing an issue of Disney not using their existing spaces to the fullest extent, that you already said. Many lot spaces reserved for flat parking east of Disneyland Drive can be used to host backstage support services. Disney has plenty of money to buy up more property in Anaheim as well. Disney not wanting to do things is well documented. So? It will never be ideal in any case. They can come as close as possible and stop short. Then they exceed it. Reality works this way.
When DCA and the Grand were under construction Disney claimed it was the first hotel built inside a Disney theme park.
 

SSG

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BLD2019-01846Disneyland Resort - Carousel - Tenant Improvement: Install (12) light poles, (1) 100 amp panel and 164 ln ft x 7 ft high fence with swing gate.
BLD2019-01843Disneyland Resort - Pumbaa Parking Lot - Tenant Improvement: Install (1) 47 sq ft prefabricated guard booth, (1) light pole, (2) motorized gate arms, (1) card reader, (1) 125 amp panel and 35 ln ft x 12 ft high chain link fence and swing gate.
 

Old Mouseketeer

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Grand Californian shares a rather impressive underground service road with Downtown Disney, so I wouldn’t quite say they built nothing underground.

Point taken. I've noticed the entrance to the valet parking area on the South side, and I've seen the open area on the North side from the monorail. You are correct--that's not insignificant. Wish they had done more.
 

Darkbeer1

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The Valet Parking was an add-on about 10 years ago, same time the DVC units were added.

As for the service tunnel. That was original, but similar to what WDW did. The tunnel was built first, and the trade was lowered a half a story. Then after it was built, they raised the grade to match the top of the tunnels. That is why there is a uphill on the east end of DTD.
 

Old Mouseketeer

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The Valet Parking was an add-on about 10 years ago, same time the DVC units were added.

As for the service tunnel. That was original, but similar to what WDW did. The tunnel was built first, and the trade was lowered a half a story. Then after it was built, they raised the grade to match the top of the tunnels. That is why there is a uphill on the east end of DTD.

I'm unclear as to what that means. I have never been inside any of these areas, so I think it's possible that I don't understand how these spaces are situated.
 

mandelbrot

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I'm unclear as to what that means. I have never been inside any of these areas, so I think it's possible that I don't understand how these spaces are situated.
There is a very large underground complex beneath the Northern end of the Grand Californian connecting to the section of Downtown Disney beneath Brennan's, Tortilla Jo's, Splitsville, Uva, and all the surrounding buildings. There's a sizeable parking structure down there mostly used for GC valet parking, VIP parking, unloading of deliveries, and trash/recycling. It's not very well laid out and takes a while to figure out how to get around.
 

mandelbrot

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The Valet Parking was an add-on about 10 years ago, same time the DVC units were added.

As for the service tunnel. That was original, but similar to what WDW did. The tunnel was built first, and the trade was lowered a half a story. Then after it was built, they raised the grade to match the top of the tunnels. That is why there is a uphill on the east end of DTD.
Where is there a detectable uphill section of Downtown Disney?

And the valet parking structure has been down there since 2000.
 

SSG

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Well, well.....Eastern Gate Way?

BLD2019-01842(NAME??) - USCIS Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (5) light poles, (4) EV chargers, (1) 2500 amp switchboard, (2) 200 amp panels and (2) 100 amp panels. Restripe parking lot.
BLD2019-01845(NAME ??) - Sybron Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (51) light poles, (8) EV chargers, (1) motorized gate arm, (2) card readers and 135 ln ft x 7 ft high fence with swing gate.
 

SSG

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Well, temporary CM parking to replace the Katella CM lot
They're also gating and lighting the Carousel Inn lot, which butts up against Sybron :

BLD2019-01846 (NAME ??) - Carousel Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (12) light poles, (1) 100 amp panel and 164 ln ft x 7 ft high fence with swing gate.

And modifying Pumbaa:

BLD2019-01843 (NAME??) - Pumbaa Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (1) 47 sq ft prefabricated guard booth, (1) light pole, (2) motorized gate arms, (1) card reader, (1) 125 amp panel and 35 ln ft x 12 ft high chain link fence and swing gate

In addition to USCIS and Sybron.

I wonder if the plan is to punch a hole from the Carousel Inn lot through to Sybron/USCIS and have CMs access the resort that way.
 
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Darkbeer1

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They're also gating and lighting the Carousel Inn lot, which butts up against Sybron :

BLD2019-01846 (NAME ??) - Carousel Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (12) light poles, (1) 100 amp panel and 164 ln ft x 7 ft high fence with swing gate.

And modifying Pumbaa:

BLD2019-01843 (NAME??) - Pumbaa Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (1) 47 sq ft prefabricated guard booth, (1) light pole, (2) motorized gate arms, (1) card reader, (1) 125 amp panel and 35 ln ft x 12 ft high chain link fence and swing gate

In addition to USCIS and Sybron.

I wonder if the plan is to punch a hole from the Carousel Inn lot through to Sybron/USCIS and have CMs access the resort that way.

NO, the CM's will be using the same Shuttle Buses to keep traffic impact to a minimum.
 

Old Mouseketeer

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Well, well.....Eastern Gate Way?


BLD2019-01842(NAME??) - USCIS Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (5) light poles, (4) EV chargers, (1) 2500 amp switchboard, (2) 200 amp panels and (2) 100 amp panels. Restripe parking lot.
BLD2019-01845(NAME ??) - Sybron Parking Lot - Site Development: Install (51) light poles, (8) EV chargers, (1) motorized gate arm, (2) card readers and 135 ln ft x 7 ft high fence with swing gate.

Sybron is the parking lot north of USCIS. Both properties are north of the Pumbaa lot and owned by Disney. Disney has demolished the Sybron building, but USCIS (US Customs and Immigration Service) has a lease that runs through 2020 and the Government has no incentive to end a lease early because it doesn't care about making money, so Disney can't offer them any incentive.

The defunct master plan for the Eastern Gateway project required using a sliver of the west side of the USCIS property to make the Pumbaa and Sybron properties contiuguous. I'm guessing the first permit reflects the fact of Disney negotiating an agreement with the GSA (US government landlord) to use the strip to unite the two halves of what will become the new Manchester CM Lot. Pumbaa already as a CM entrance with card reader(s) on the north side. They need to construct a CM entrance to the Sybron (north) lot.

EDIT: I see from a later post that there are also permits for the Carousel Motel site. It makes sense that they want to use that real estate for parking.

What is not reflected in these permits are the previously reported improvements including restrooms and offices for the shuttle contractor.
 

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