Perfect example of why Disney portrait series was a BAD idea

[sknydave]

lol @ this ridiculous thread.

Disney should run extensive background checks and get "I will never kiss another woman in public" written into models' contracts then?

 

[kcw]

So, a female celebrity is "skeezy" because she kissed another girl? I am still confused about how women kissing demonstrates a low standard of character integrity.



I would love to hear your thoughts on this issue, and why the matter with which you take issue is not related to "homosexuality or anything of the sort."


Also, you are the first person I know of to rationilze that "I work for Disney, so homosexuality doesn't bother me." I don't quite understand that logic.

again, I said it had nothing to do with the fact that they were both female. Please get off of the defensive, and listen to what I'm really saying. If some random guy and his co-star female, who were not dating or whatever else, decided to do the same thing, I would hold the same opinion. As I already stated, it bothers me that they do things like that simply for publicity, and to get people to talk. That I find skeezy, and that is what I have already said.


think I answered this above. And in my previous post. But then again, not everyone reads what is really typed, they just jump to conclusions.

Almost anyone in the entertainment dept will tell you that, and it is meant completely in jest. When you work at Disney, you work with people from all backgrounds, be it social, religious, economic, and whatever else. Apparently I struck a cord with you, next time I'll be sure to put a bunch of laughing smiley faces after so that nobody gets offended.

Now before anyone else decides to flame me for being anti-homosexual or closed-minded, or a prude, or anything else, please read what I am really saying, not what you want to hear (that will you an opportunity to get up on your high horse.) Thanks! :lol::ROFLOL:

 

[Master Yoda]

I still do not get where the connection to the Disney portrait series comes in. By the same logic I could say the Mickey Mouse club is a bad idea because of Brittney Spears, the remakes of Herbie and Parent trap were bad because on Lindsey Lohan, Star Tours it wrong because of Paul Rubens, the list goes on and on. If you do not like the Disney Portrait series then fine...you really do not need evidence to back up your like or dislike for it.

 

[kcw]

I still do not get where the connection to the Disney portrait series comes in. By the same logic I could say the Mickey Mouse club is a bad idea because of Brittney Spears, the remakes of Herbie and Parent trap were bad because on Lindsey Lohan, Star Tours it wrong because of Paul Rubens, the list goes on and on. If you do not like the Disney Portrait series then fine...you really do not need evidence to back up your like or dislike for it.

I somewhat see that idea, but this seems different to me. Here you've got Cinderella, and a million little girls look up to Cinderella, dream of being Cinderella, wait their whole lives to meet Cinderella.... So Disney does all these photos, and kids now associate SJ with Cinderella. And then these same little girls turn on the TV and see SJ doing this, or David Beckham ignoring a bunch of Wish kids (or whatever that was all about) or see Beyonce doing un-G rated things in her music videos....

I'm not saying that the celebs are in the wrong, that's just Hollywood and that's just how it goes. But I am saying that I wish Disney wouldn't have associated these things with their classic characters.

 

[davidpw97]

Ok, I've never liked this Disney Dream Portrait series from the start, because I've always hated the idea that the hollywood schmuck was getting all over disney... and here's a perfect example- little miss scarlotte johanssen who portrays Cinderella in one of the original pictures, macks natalie portman on the red carpet the other night... and for what? publicity? to make people talk? i'm sorry, but there's such thing as character integrity, and it doesn't just apply to the "friends" of the characters. Disney should have known that they can't expect these celebs to respect that integrity, or even understand it. Bleh.

Off my soapbox now, but hoping at least someone else agrees

How does Scarlett Jo doing publicity for a movie that has nothing to do with Disney reflect badly on Disney? Just because she portrayed Cinderella in one picture does she have to behave as such for the rest of her life?

 

[bhg469]

So, a female celebrity is "skeezy" because she kissed another girl? I am still confused about how women kissing demonstrates a low standard of character integrity.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this issue, and why the matter with which you take issue is not related to "homosexuality or anything of the sort."

Also, you are the first person I know of to rationilze that "I work for Disney, so homosexuality doesn't bother me." I don't quite understand that logic.

on a side note, cool name! i was literally listening to taht song when i read your post!

 

[MichWolv]

Apologies to the OP, but I'm not there with you, because, presuming it isn't the homosexuality thing, but the publicity thing that bother you, the extension of this is that Disney should not ever associate its characters/parks/brand with any celebrity.

Britney Spears was a Mouseketeer, and Lindsey Lohan was a Disney child star (Parent Trap). Robin Williams, Tim Allen, Eddie Murphy, Kevin Nehlan (Cranium Command), and many others have all done parts for Disney movies or park shows, and have also done some pretty darned filthy comedy routines. Mel Gibson was Captain John Smith before he became a famous anti-Semtic drunk. Compared to all of this, the potential embarassment/harm from a publicity-seeking kiss is virtually non-existent.

All of these things could be though to reflect negatively on Disney by some people, but I sincerely hope that Disney doesn't respond by choosing to not get involved with anybody who might embarass them someday.

 

[kcw]

Just because she portrayed Cinderella in one picture does she have to behave as such for the rest of her life?

Did you actually read my post that you quoted? I answered that.

"Disney should have known that they can't expect these celebs to respect that integrity, or even understand it."

 

[kcw]

Apologies to the OP, but I'm not there with you, because, presuming it isn't the homosexuality thing, but the publicity thing that bother you, the extension of this is that Disney should not ever associate its characters/parks/brand with any celebrity.

Britney Spears was a Mouseketeer, and Lindsey Lohan was a Disney child star (Parent Trap). Robin Williams, Tim Allen, Eddie Murphy, Kevin Nehlan (Cranium Command), and many others have all done parts for Disney movies or park shows, and have also done some pretty darned filthy comedy routines. Mel Gibson was Captain John Smith before he became a famous anti-Semtic drunk. Compared to all of this, the potential embarassment/harm from a publicity-seeking kiss is virtually non-existent.

All of these things could be though to reflect negatively on Disney by some people, but I sincerely hope that Disney doesn't respond by choosing to not get involved with anybody who might embarass them someday.

I'm glad someone can finally give me a legit comment. I see where you're coming from, but to me, I don't really associate those people with Disney. :shrug: Especially the voice actors. There is not a single Disney or Pixar character that I could name the person who did the voice. The same is going to go for the kids. Most of the young kids right now have no idea what the MMC was, and when they hear John Smith speak, all they hear is John Smith, not Mel Gibson. With these pictures though, there is a visual association, which is easier for kids to see (no pun intended) I do see your point though.

 

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[MichWolv]

I'm glad someone can finally give me a legit comment. I see where you're coming from, but to me, I don't really associate those people with Disney. :shrug: Especially the voice actors. There is not a single Disney or Pixar character that I could name the person who did the voice. The same is going to go for the kids. Most of the young kids right now have no idea what the MMC was, and when they hear John Smith speak, all they hear is John Smith, not Mel Gibson. With these pictures though, there is a visual association, which is easier for kids to see (no pun intended) I do see your point though.

And what about Vanessa Hudgens and her nude pictures. HSM is a heckuva lot more popular and better known than the portraits. While I understand somebody thinking there's a risk of embarassment in affiliating oneself with celebs, I have no idea why that risk would be thought to exist more in the portraits than the movies. And HSM, much to my chagrin, is THE hot franchise right now.

 

[Master Yoda]

I somewhat see that idea, but this seems different to me. Here you've got Cinderella, and a million little girls look up to Cinderella, dream of being Cinderella, wait their whole lives to meet Cinderella.... So Disney does all these photos, and kids now associate SJ with Cinderella. And then these same little girls turn on the TV and see SJ doing this, or David Beckham ignoring a bunch of Wish kids (or whatever that was all about) or see Beyonce doing un-G rated things in her music videos....

I'm not saying that the celebs are in the wrong, that's just Hollywood and that's just how it goes. But I am saying that I wish Disney wouldn't have associated these things with their classic characters.

I see your point but the only way that you could do that is to NEVER associate a real person with a Disney character and I do not believe that is practical or even warranted for that matter. If Disney wanted to do a remake of Snow White or Beauty and the Beast using live actors would you not want them to do so simply because the actors or actresses playing the various roles might not live up to Disney standards in their personal or professional lives?

 

[Fun2BFree]

I see potential for this thread to flare up into violent debate. We're already veering quite close to issues on sexuality. Keep it clean, keep the thread open. :zipit:

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Did you actually read my post that you quoted? I answered that.

"Disney should have known that they can't expect these celebs to respect that integrity, or even understand it."

I think a bigger question is how many non-celebrities who portray Disney characters don't respect or understand the concept you're talking about. Granted, if the Cinderella and Snow White you saw at MK earlier decide to play tonsil hockey at DTD later, the footage won't turn up on Entertainment Tonight. But it still seems like it would violate the kind of 24/7 character integrity I THINK you're arguing for.

I think it's admirable that you respect the "character" idea as much as you do. But I suspect if Disney looked for that level of devotion from everybody they hired, there'd be a lot fewer Cinderellas and Peter Pans walking around the parks.

 

[davidpw97]

I somewhat see that idea, but this seems different to me. Here you've got Cinderella, and a million little girls look up to Cinderella, dream of being Cinderella, wait their whole lives to meet Cinderella.... So Disney does all these photos, and kids now associate SJ with Cinderella. And then these same little girls turn on the TV and see SJ doing this, or David Beckham ignoring a bunch of Wish kids (or whatever that was all about) or see Beyonce doing un-G rated things in her music videos....

I'm not saying that the celebs are in the wrong, that's just Hollywood and that's just how it goes. But I am saying that I wish Disney wouldn't have associated these things with their classic characters.

Disney didn't associate any of these things with their classic characters. It's really up to the viewer to make that connection and I personally don't see one. Scarlett Johansson wasn't representing Disney when she stepped on to the red carpet the other night and neither was Beyonce representing Disney when she shook her junk at the Grammy's a couple weeks ago. Also I think if you went into a room full of children and showed them the picture of SJ as Cinderella and then asked them to identify her, I doubt if anyone could. Most of her projects have been aimed at adults including these photos and I don't think many children know who she is.

 

[Figment1989]

I think this is ridiculous...a lot of people don't even know that Scarlett was one of the disney portrait series people. Shouldn't you then be more concerned about Britney Spears' drama? or Justin Timberlake's "D--- in a box" SNL skit? Both Britney and Justin are well publicized mouseketteers... more affiliated with Disney than I think Scarlett is...

 

[Fun2BFree]

Ok, I've never liked this Disney Dream Portrait series from the start, because I've always hated the idea that the hollywood schmuck was getting all over disney... and here's a perfect example- little miss scarlotte johanssen who portrays Cinderella in one of the original pictures, macks natalie portman on the red carpet the other night... and for what? publicity? to make people talk? i'm sorry, but there's such thing as character integrity, and it doesn't just apply to the "friends" of the characters. Disney should have known that they can't expect these celebs to respect that integrity, or even understand it. Bleh.

Off my soapbox now, but hoping at least someone else agrees

Getting off the fence, God forbid a woman shouldn't be able to live her life like she wishes just because she once did a photo-shoot. It's not like Disney employ her full time and make her abide by their rules.

 

[nibblesandbits]

I'm glad someone can finally give me a legit comment. I see where you're coming from, but to me, I don't really associate those people with Disney. :shrug: Especially the voice actors. There is not a single Disney or Pixar character that I could name the person who did the voice. The same is going to go for the kids. Most of the young kids right now have no idea what the MMC was, and when they hear John Smith speak, all they hear is John Smith, not Mel Gibson. With these pictures though, there is a visual association, which is easier for kids to see (no pun intended) I do see your point though.

Well, let's talk about Tim Allen, who let's face it, has been in quite a few Disney Movies and his face is quite notable as being with Disney, in my opinion. And his show was on ABC.

Now...look at his comedy routine, look at his very checkered past. And yet, Disney still hires him for things, quite often...even after all of what's happened to him in his life, Disney still has faith in him.

I just don't see it as being a big deal that Scarlett Johanson posed for a pictures as Cinderella (which, I've only seen these ads a couple of times since they've been released and would assume that since I saw them in adult (ie, things like Glamour, not "adult") magazines that kids aren't going to really be seeing them much. Therefore, they probably won't necessarily correlate Scarlett, David Beckham, Beyonce, etc as being those characters. And 2, I also didn't know about the kiss until you just told us. So, once again, it's not so likely that kids are going to know about it...let alone think about putting two and two together and confusing the lines. I could see them confusing the lines if Scarlett Johanson had played Cinderella in a movie...but, not from one tiny advertisment.

And what about Vanessa Hudgens and her nude pictures. HSM is a heckuva lot more popular and better known than the portraits. While I understand somebody thinking there's a risk of embarassment in affiliating oneself with celebs, I have no idea why that risk would be thought to exist more in the portraits than the movies. And HSM, much to my chagrin, is THE hot franchise right now.

Couldn't agree more. The Vanessa thing is much worse than the Scarlett thing.

 

[Enderikari]

Ok, I've never liked this Disney Dream Portrait series from the start, because I've always hated the idea that the hollywood schmuck was getting all over disney... and here's a perfect example- little miss scarlotte johanssen who portrays Cinderella in one of the original pictures, macks natalie portman on the red carpet the other night... and for what? publicity? to make people talk? i'm sorry, but there's such thing as character integrity, and it doesn't just apply to the "friends" of the characters. Disney should have known that they can't expect these celebs to respect that integrity, or even understand it. Bleh.

Off my soapbox now, but hoping at least someone else agrees

Nope, no agreement here, because the basic premise of the Disney Dream Portrait Series is that the recognizable stars are living out their dreams of being the Disney character they are portraying in the Liebowitz shot. Scarlett Johannsen is NOT Cinderella, but she dreams of being so, so the beautiful shot is done. Whoopi Goldberg is NOT the Genie, and Julie Andrews isn't the Blue Fairy, but they have a chance to live out their dreams too.

If you really want to preserve character intregity, I want you to hunt down every single entertainment cast member with in-character pictures on their Myspace or Facebook pages, after they have all been fired, then we will work on the celebs.