I'm offendedYou may be my favorite village idiot.
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I'm offendedYou may be my favorite village idiot.
It's time for you to stop your nonsense.It's time to abolish these bottom tier annual passes. One fair annual pass for all visitors - no matter where you are from.
There are no giveaways and the bottom tier have lots of block out dates so they are barely affecting your vacation. Get over it.Claim was made Disney can track what you spend, and location tracking. I told you they can't. So you resort to calling me an idiot.
As i said another local, who doesn't want to engage in the debate over the bottom tier annual pass giveaways that contribute to the large excessive crowds.
It's time to abolish these bottom tier annual passes. One fair annual pass for all visitors - no matter where you are from.
As i said another local, who doesn't want to engage in the debate over the bottom tier annual pass giveaways that contribute to the large excessive crowds.
Still waiting. Anytime you feel like providing actual proof of your accusation that it is Florida locals making the parks crowded.Please provide your proof of the above statement !
And at the same time UK visitors can pay the same park admission price as everyone else instead of getting discounted prices subsidised by others .It's time to abolish these bottom tier annual passes. One fair annual pass for all visitors - no matter where you are from.
Still waiting. Anytime you feel like providing actual proof of your accusation that it is Florida locals making the parks crowded.
Still waiting. Anytime you feel like providing actual proof of your accusation that it is Florida locals making the parks crowded.
I was asking Mr Andrew to provide proof. Apologies if you thought I was having a pop at youYou read that wrong. I am offering to engage with the fool who said it was locals crowding the park and not spending any money.
I am notoriously unreliable like that.I actually would have found it more interesting if you were posing the question to yourself and expecting data and analysis from yourself.
As my teachers used to say.Provided it many times.
Blackout dates - the parks are wonderfully managed, and less crowded. If the parks were always this way blisful, you'd see a surge in tourists from international / non Floridian tourists.
Since Andrew has no basis for his senseless drivel (thus no reply when called to the carpet for a debate) I will share actual experiences and numbers so the casual reader can come away from reading this thread with something of substance.
1. Actual number of local passholders of ALL TIERS (including the same tiers that are offered to everyone else) accounts for an average of 15% of attendance at the parks. The figure 10 years ago was 10%. This accounts for the 50% increase of passholders over that period of time. Since not all of those have the lower tier passes there are less than 15% of all guests that are local passholders on a given day.
2a. As a local I know many, many passholders. I don't know of any who bring their own food to the park. Actually, I know of two families that are NOT passholders that bring their own lunch when they go.
2b. I have only personally witnessed a handful of people eating food they brought to the park. Some of them were foreign visitors. It's just as possible for anyone who buys a day ticket or package to bring their food as it is a local. All it takes is a stop at one of the many stores surrounding WDW, or a stop at the grab-n-go coolers in the hotel the guest is staying at. (Technically that's still buying food from Disney.)
3. Andrew implied in replies to others that the parks are well managed and less crowded during blackout dates. I will go out on a fat and sturdy limb that Andrew has not been to the parks this summer. I have. I just was there several days during the passholder black-out dates in June. The crowds during the week were almost as bad as Saturday. At certain points it was like walking in a river of people. Lines for the rides were insanely long. One couple in our group waited 3 hours for Pandora: Flight of Passage even though it was listed as 120 minutes at the queue. Space Mountain was 80 minutes, Mine Train was 150 minutes, and LAUGH FLOOR (almost always a 10 min line) was 30 minutes. The line to get onto Magic Kingdom's monorail or boat took 35 minutes one morning. Earlier in the spring I went during open season for passholders. The lines were somewhat shorter. Not great, but then again it never is anymore. (But I digress.) I have ridden Slinky Dog 4 times by waiting in a 45 minute or less line this year. None of those times were during June. All of them were during Annual Pass open calendar dates.
4. Locals use the hotels. Do the people who live 10 minutes away? Not usually. But believe it or not, some of the fanatics do. However, the majority of "locals" live an hour or several hours away. When they go to WDW for a couple of days they don't drive back and forth. Do some of them? Possibly, but most do not.
5. Local passholders eat at the restaurants. This is one of the big areas Disney makes money. Food and beverage. Very local passholders are known to eat at the restaurants even days they don't go visit the parks or just to meet friends for dinner. Local passholders that come in from an hour or more away often eat at restaurants, both quick service and table service.
Finally, I would take any local passholder and measure them up to you, Andrew, and (unless you are an insane club level $10,000 for one trip person) say they will spend more than you at WDW this year. Am I wrong?
I don't know where you heard that but they are not cheap and not every Floridian has one or can afford one. Besides, there are many Floridians there as international tourists and Floridians keep injecting money into the economy and the pockets of the Disney corporation.I don't mind an increase - as long as we are not subsiding cheap annual passes for Floridians AND THERE IS AN INVESTMENT IN NEW ATTRACTIONS.
The cheap annual passes for Floridians are ruining the parks with the crowds they contribute, at the detriment of big spending international tourists.
saying that park tickets will be increasing in price soon
It's time to abolish these bottom tier annual passes. One fair annual pass for all visitors - no matter where you are from.
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