Osborne Lights ending for good (or not) due to Star Wars expansion?

danlb_2000

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Without a doubt, if somebody order 25% of DHS to be demolish and construction on Carsland to begin, it would happen. The question is whether or not such a move would make financial sense, whether Carsland even makes sense in Orlando, but more importantly . . . could the same $$ be spent elsewhere without an attendance drop, and leave the resort with more capacity in the end. Look at it from a corporate stewardship position, you want to make wise decisions with regards to future growth and money spent.

Look at Avatarland at AK (if it happens), such a project wouldn't remove *any* attractions from the park, (sans some minor stuff), and it would greatly increase capacity at the park. WDW is a different beast from DLR, DHS gets about 10 million guests . . . anybody know what the attendance target is? You'd think WDW might want to turn DHS into MK, with 17 million guests, but there are parking lot capacity issues, and DHS will never be as big as MK, or even as big as Epcot. Burbank has the choice of 4 parks to expand, an E-Ticket offering at any would boost WDW's attendance, which hit a record last Easter anyway. Add an Incredibles E-Ticket to DHS in five years, and the park would probably be fine for the next 15 years . . .

But sometimes it doesn't make financial sense to add on. If you have attractions that are under performing it may make more sense to replace them with something that would do better, even if this requires a temporary loss of capacity.
 

SirLink

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But sometimes it doesn't make financial sense to add on. If you have attractions that are under performing it may make more sense to replace them with something that would do better, even if this requires a temporary loss of capacity.

Correct, actually as well I would say in a totally anecdotal way it would be better for all the 4 parks in WDW to had similar attendance around 12-14 million, than having parks where people check out before lunch. I'm looking at you DHS. Also all of the 4 parks in Orlando need more capacity.
 

Sped2424

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Geez, people getting ed about some lights going away, what would you guys rather have, twinkling lights two months a year or a MUCH needed park expansion?

Its about keeping current offerings, its not impossible to have the best of both worlds, it shouldn't be a one or the other situation. If they have the lights there is no reason why they can't re fit them or use them somewhere else in one of their parts. And to many people like myself those lights are a part of the holidays and have been around for quite some time so they hold a special place for a lot of people.
 

Sped2424

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Kinda doubt LMA is going anywhere, the crazier of the rumors has said that Muppets is history (with a sequel on the way, and being a profitable Disney franchise unlike Lone Ranger, John Carter . . .) I could see Backlot and Soundstage 1 going for a Pixar ride, that would keep DHS up for half a decade if it was done well. DCA 2.0 didn't involve tearing down much of anything, save for the hubcap fountain to put in the Carthay, and taking out the golden gate bridge thingy. Disney doesn't really do mass demolitions.

Oh lights motor action is definitely gonna get axed, the costs of running it has been insane and we all know that TDO absolutely hates expensive running shows. Besides the fact that its right next to the backlot tour even dooms it more so as that whole area could be re purposed quite easily. As for Disney not doing demolitions, I think toon town and the 20,000 leagues under the sea would have to disagree with you.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I think toon town and the 20,000 leagues under the sea would have to disagree with you.

You mean I can't ride Barnstormer anymore? It's gone? What about County Bounty? Did they keep that? Funny how a lot of toon town is still there!

We all know that 20,000 was a single ride that was removed a long time ago . . .

I think that if LMA, Backlot, Muppets, HISTK-play area, and SoA were ALL demolished in a single project, it would certainly be unprecedented. Like I said before, I can see Backlot going, and using Soundstage 1 with this space to put in a Pixar ride . . .
 

Pixiedustmaker

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But sometimes it doesn't make financial sense to add on. If you have attractions that are under performing it may make more sense to replace them with something that would do better, even if this requires a temporary loss of capacity.

True, but in a park like DHS which is bursting at the seams, you can't take out a whole lot of attractions without causing a massive drop in attendance, and angry guests because there is a 3 hour wait for Toy Story because Muppets and other stuff is gone. I don't think the goal for Burbank is to drop DHS's attendance to 6 million, and then work on a Carsland for three years while guests complain how much less there is to do in DHS.

$600 million for DHS Carsland. Drop in attendance: let's say conservatively 2 million. (You could even go with the crowd that complains that DHS is now truly a half-day or quater-day park, lines for Toy Story go up half, to one full hour). And when the park reopens, its capacity is similar to where it was before, but you've got an extra million or so guests, DHS now has 11.5 million guests a year, wait times for the attractions soar, the parking lot is having trouble accommodating all of the drivers.

$200 million for DHS Incredible E-Ticket. You lose Backlot, some foreigners complain they were waiting to ride it maybe, less stuff for guests to see, but maybe attendance only falls off 500,000. (Maybe 2,000 less guests per day), at least the thousands who ride Backlot have less to do, but it is a poor ride that may hurt the DHS brand.) Attendance gets a bump, the park is now even more crowded than before.

$600 million for Carsland in the parking lot. No effect on guest attendance, when it opens, DHS has the capacity to deal with the crowds, Backlot gets demolished in five years to make way for an Incredibles E-Ticket.

$600 million for Australia/Avatarland in AK. No effect whatsoever on attendance as it is built on a big empty lot. It opens and attendance goes up 2-3 million.

$250 million for new pavilion with E-Ticket in Epcot. Attendance bumps 1-2 million, the parking lot can handle it, some pressure relieved on MK which doesn't have enough rides.

There are a lot of ways you can spend $200 to $600 million on new lands/attractions at WDW, the question is what is the best choice for the investment. Right now, AK looks to be in a position to gain a new land, increasing park capacity in a park that can handle it, and without removal of existing attractions. WDW hit an attendance record last Easter . . . really hard sell that lands/attractions should be removed in mass when you've got empty space to build stuff.
 

Sped2424

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You mean I can't ride Barnstormer anymore? It's gone? What about County Bounty? Did they keep that? Funny how a lot of toon town is still there!

We all know that 20,000 was a single ride that was removed a long time ago . . .

I think that if LMA, Backlot, Muppets, HISTK-play area, and SoA were ALL demolished in a single project, it would certainly be unprecedented. Like I said before, I can see Backlot going, and using Soundstage 1 with this space to put in a Pixar ride . . .

A lot of the buildings/facades in toon town were demolished and a long time ago? That doesn't really matter it was in 2005 or 2004 when 20,000 leagues was demolished so really its not that long ago. It still means that Disney is willing to demolish larges sets of land in order to provide expansion space. Toon town lost plenty of its facades I never said you couldn't ride the barnstormer, you just can't ride it through toon town anymore. But I will bet you whatever you like that LMA does not survive the expansion.
 

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