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Osborne Lights ending for good (or not) due to Star Wars expansion?
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luv
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I wish I had the power to control what Disney does. Sadly, that is not the case.
If I were able to get them to do what I wanted, the parks would be cleaner, look sharper, have better trained staff and we'd get cool new rides.
There would be more berries for sale, too.
Disnee4Me
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That would be cool because then you don't have to pay park admission to see them
Pixiedustmaker
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Ad hominems aside, the lot of land across from the World Drive *is* part of DHS's expansion plan. A lot of the land at WDW is unsuitable swamp land, a lot of it set aside for conservation, and won't ever be used to build anything on. The land west of DHS, across World Drive, is high and dry and suitable for development, and as such is listed in Reedy Creek's development plan, as is ideas for building a parking garage on DHS's parking lot and using part of the parking lot for an expansion.
Oh, they could also take out the section of World Drive between Osceola Parkway in the south, and Buena Vista Drive in the North, and make the continuation of World Drive just an entrance to DHS's parking lot. (Re-route World Drive traffic to MK,Epcot to the west). This would be a moderate sized pain, so what they could do is put DHS's parking lot in the lot across World Drive (build an underpass for the tram), and put in plants/trees to shield presence of World Drive, and then you've got a parking lot almost the size of DHS to build stuff in.
Eisner kinda messed up with DHS, the park was built in an area of WDW that doesn't leave a lot of options open for expansion. AK has *tons* of empty spaces inside the park, Epcot still has some good sized chunks of space . . . not so with DHS.
Pixiedustmaker
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DHS is a kinda a grab bag park . . . SoA does serve as a flex area during the important holiday season, and more importantly, a major draw. Carsland is great at DCA, but the rest of DCA is still kinda Disneyland's flex area, especially when it gets super crowded in Disneyland.
SirLink
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And you can include LMA as well into expansion plot. There ya go. Now time for you to get ignored...
Pixiedustmaker
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The show or the facility for LMA? Because I'm talking about the facility, which could of course host different shows.
They might change the entertainment, but kinda doubt that the facility will go anytime soon. If they want to add a Pixar ride, even an E-Ticket Pixar coaster, all they need is SoundStage 1, plus to take out Backlot . . . LMA is in a very awkward area of the park, being an angled corner, kinda doubt they'd take it out as it seems Carsland won't be coming to DHS, and maybe in 2015 there will be some new Star Tours sequences for DHS, if SoA stays, then hard to see what else they could put in there, though I guess they could fit in a Monsters Inc. dark ride. Another issue is that the place was built in 2005, even the SuperStar Limo building and ride system is still running at DCA, they just put a new skin on it.
The facility is very much ear marked for demolition.
Pixiedustmaker
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And you can include LMA as well into expansion plot. There ya go. Now time for you to get ignored...
I've said before that DHS could get a great new E-Ticket, such as by putting the queue in Pixar Place and taking out the Backlot. What I think is far fetched is taking out tons of stuff to try to cram Carsland in. If no Carsland, then don't see why LMA would need to be removed, though it might be in 20 years or something like that.
Imagine if they put in that Kuka Incredible ride, that would boost DHS's attendance if it falls in the future.
Pixiedustmaker
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Not sure what that means, in terms of insider info or rumor, but I take it that there is no closing date yet? The facility is relatively new and would be expected to be in good to excellent condition. If SoA stays, due to popularity of Osbourne Lights, and there is no Carsland, is there any rumors of what might go back there?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Where are you getting your information that there will be no Carsland?
Pixiedustmaker
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Just said "it seems" there won't be a Carsland. DHS and DCA are different beasts, Carsland was built on a convenient parking lot at DCA, part of DCA's expansion plan, DHS would lose a lot of guests if they built Carsland inside of DHS, (possibly guests would get peeved with even fewer attractions, and might not come back), I've said before that Carsland could go into DHS's parking lot . . . but it is very large, and really gets hot in the summer. Might not be a good fit for Orlando, plus TDA wants to keep Carsland a westcoast exclusive. Not saying Carsland won't come to DHS's parking lot, or elsewhere in WDW, but Carsland really is a custom land for DCA. The Cadillac mountain range is expensive, looks great, but was also built to block the view of power lines and hotels. Not so much an issue at WDW. Different problems, different solutions.
I think a lot of people feel that the idea of a Carsland at DHS was sort of fan generated, and it was packaged with wild rumors of StarWars land, plus some Pixar rides, and Carsland inside of DHS . . . therefore I have a lot of skepticism with regards to the Carsland inside of DHS's current boundaries, and there are some common sense logistical issues that haven't been adequately addressed.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
The Carsland rumor has come from some pretty reliable people, I believe you are the only one who has said it is fan generated. Whether is gets built or not, and what it looks like are definitely up for debate, but based on the sources I would say it is was and probably still is under consideration.
Pixiedustmaker
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Others have mentioned that there are obvious logistical/practical issues with regards to Carsland at DHS. Remember that a Disney CM spread rumors about Carsland/StarWarsland/Pixar rides at DHS being announced at DHS in order to antagonize/hurt people who run D23 at Disney (either to steal their thunder, or more likely because they knew nothing would be announced). When you have that as one of the sources, you have to wonder . . .
and an imagineer said they haven't made any decisions with regards to Carsland (a kinda maybe in the future, we don't know), but was excited about what he was working on.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Every project has it's own logistical/practical issues. I have yet to hear one issue with Carsland that would be a serious hurdle for it.
Pixiedustmaker
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With Carsland inside of DHS, yes, there are many logistical/fiscal issues.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Yes, I have seen you explanations of issues, I just don't believe they are a serious hurdle to some form of Carsland bring built.
Pixiedustmaker
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Without a doubt, if somebody order 25% of DHS to be demolish and construction on Carsland to begin, it would happen. The question is whether or not such a move would make financial sense, whether Carsland even makes sense in Orlando, but more importantly . . . could the same $$ be spent elsewhere without an attendance drop, and leave the resort with more capacity in the end. Look at it from a corporate stewardship position, you want to make wise decisions with regards to future growth and money spent.
Look at Avatarland at AK (if it happens), such a project wouldn't remove *any* attractions from the park, (sans some minor stuff), and it would greatly increase capacity at the park. WDW is a different beast from DLR, DHS gets about 10 million guests . . . anybody know what the attendance target is? You'd think WDW might want to turn DHS into MK, with 17 million guests, but there are parking lot capacity issues, and DHS will never be as big as MK, or even as big as Epcot. Burbank has the choice of 4 parks to expand, an E-Ticket offering at any would boost WDW's attendance, which hit a record last Easter anyway. Add an Incredibles E-Ticket to DHS in five years, and the park would probably be fine for the next 15 years . . .
freediverdude
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The Lights of Winter were amazing. I'm still mad about those. They're not taking the Osborne lights too! Get out the torches and pitchforks!
Pixiedustmaker
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Given Osbourne's popularity, we'd probably see an alternative site being prepped (might take them 18 months just to do that and figure out how they want to design it) as a harbinger of the removal of Osbourne from SoA (working under the premise that that is even a likely scenario). They'd have to do some electrical work, and setup computer control systems somewhere. Not sure where's they do it if they wanted to keep doing it on the same scale.
Guests spend a lot more during the holidays, and keeping Osbourne ensures a steady stream of customers, as well as a warm and fuzzy feelings associated with WDW.