OS: Fire department serving Disney in talks to drop special operations

[lazyboy97o]

RCID has more intimate knowledge of hazards inherent within WDW property.

And RCID, who takes safety very seriously lest the district again be a target for dissolution, seems to think it may no longer be a necessity. You can't say they are both wrong and know best.

 

[Nubs70]

Is there any reason why using Orange County's special operations unit would be insufficient? For example, not timely enough? If not, then seems OK for Disney to drop this.

Orange County firefighters would not have the level of familiarity with building layouts that RCID will have. In the event that OC is called in, is RCID the lead agency or OC? What would be a more thorough response, an entire crew of RCID or a single member of RCID leading a group of OC?

 

[PhotoDave219]

Orange County firefighters would not have the level of familiarity with building layouts that RCID will have. In the event that OC is called in, is RCID the lead agency or OC? What would be a more thorough response, an entire crew of RCID or a single member of RCID leading a group of OC?

I find it interesting that the largest safety advocate at RCID dies and immediately they want to get rid of the Special Operations people.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Orange County firefighters would not have the level of familiarity with building layouts that RCID will have. In the event that OC is called in, is RCID the lead agency or OC? What would be a more thorough response, an entire crew of RCID or a single member of RCID leading a group of OC?

You really think firefighters are expected to know every building in their jurisdiction?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I find it interesting that the largest safety advocate at RCID dies and immediately they want to get rid of the Special Operations people.

And yet you can't gives specifics on how this team is significantly related to public safety.

 

[PhotoDave219]

You really think firefighters are expected to know every building in their jurisdiction?

Yes. That's what fire departments do when they have specialized buildings within their response area.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes. That's what fire departments do when they have specialized buildings within their response area.

The involved incidents cited relate to anything overly specific to Walt Disney World. Nor would RCFD cease to operate uniquely within Walt Disney World.

 

[Nubs70]

You really think firefighters are expected to know every building in their jurisdiction?

Yes,
Are there particular areas that cannot come into contact with water?
What type and where are chemicals stored?
Where are confined spaces?
Where is confined space entry extraction equipment stored?
Which MCC houses the electrical disconnects for which area?
Who is the lead electrician and what is his phone number?
Who is point of contact with WDW?
Etc....

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes,
Are there particular areas that cannot come into contact with water?
What type and where are chemicals stored?
Where are confined spaces?
Where is confined space entry extraction equipment stored?
Which MCC houses the electrical disconnects for which area?
Who is the lead electrician and what is his phone number?
Who is point of contact with WDW?
Etc....

There are reasons why information gets filed with fire departments and there are standards such as codes. There is simply not enough time or people for intimate knowledge.

 

[Nubs70]

And there are reasons why information gets filed with fire departments and there are standards such as codes.

However, when an incident is underway, that is not the time to be handed a map and a call list.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Yes,
Are there particular areas that cannot come into contact with water?
What type and where are chemicals stored?
Where are confined spaces?
Where is confined space entry extraction equipment stored?
Which MCC houses the electrical disconnects for which area?
Who is the lead electrician and what is his phone number?
Who is point of contact with WDW?
Etc....

Plus the technical rescued from building collapses. They were the first response during that collapse during that hotel in the Bonnet Creek area a few years back. I think.

(This doesn't even count the technical rescues from the monorail.)

Toss in all the hazmat expertise, and a Dollar/hour & the training costs seem very cheap as compared to the cost if something actually goes wrong. IMO.

 

[Nubs70]

Plus the technical rescued from building collapses. They were the first response during that collapse during that hotel in the Bonnet Creek area a few years back. I think.

(This doesn't even count the technical rescues from the monorail.)

Toss in all the hazmat expertise, and a Dollar/hour & the training costs seem very cheap as compared to the cost if something actually goes wrong. IMO.

Cost is less than the daily rack rate of the Bunga Bunga Bungalows.

 

[unkadug]

Perhaps they have grown weary of blowing up innocent backpacks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

However, when an incident is underway, that is not the time to be handed a map and a call list.

That is the perfect time to be hanging someone drawings and a call list. Human memory is flaky and inconsistent. When lives are on the line information should be based on meticulous and regulated documentation, not someone's memory in a situation where it is even more prone to error. Even then, such intimate knowledge has nothing to do with a primarily hazmat oriented training within a team dedicated to working inside Walt Disney World.

 

[Nubs70]

Yes maps and call lists should be available and prominent but these maps and lists should only be for reference not primary education. Primary education takes place with onsite training and face to face meetings between fire fighters and WDW contacts.

Intimate knowledge is an integral part of hazmat responsibilities.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Perhaps they have grown weary of blowing up innocent backpacks.

They don't do that. Security has Special K-9s for that.

 

[unkadug]

They don't do that. Security has Special K-9s for that.

Ah...OK

What was the Bonnet Creek collapse that you spoke about earlier. I don't recall that.

 

[ParksAndPixels]

I personally have experience in this area. MOST cities cannot justify the need for this type of advanced team. It might surprise many of you how many areas do not have a team like this ready locally. In many parts of the country, county governments have assist contracts in place with neighboring counties in the event a hazmat or other type of special rescue is needed. Disney being as popular both in number and symbolically as it is... A threat against the property is very real whether accidental or God forbid intentional. It may not be an everyday occurrence, but when this type of team is needed, especially in a "populated area" seconds really do count... It's a tough call but I think the investment is worth it. Even if they never need this team. As someone pointed out, it's an insurance policy of sorts. This should be considered part of the property's security measures.

 

[unkadug]

With the property size and the "population" of the whole resort area, Disney is not just some local community, they are a "City" that can well afford and deserve to have a well equipped and trained Department.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Ah...OK

What was the Bonnet Creek collapse that you spoke about earlier. I don't recall that.

When they were building one of the Bonnet Creek Resort hotels. 2006. Looks like it wasnt an actual collapse, but giant panes of glass trapping workers, killing one. All I can find is an OSHA blog that refers to a dead link for News 13.