On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

stretchsje

Well-Known Member
Simple: they are there just to lengthen the trips of out of town travelers - particularly internationals - and don’t really make much.

Waterparks aren’t coming back anytime soon.
I don't follow. If they are a bright spot in the industry right now, why wouldn't they lengthen trips? Imagine how wonderful it would feel to take a break from the scorching parks, hotter than normal from sweating into and exhaling into an already moist, dirty mask, by going down the street to a refreshing water park. The place where you can remove your mask without buying food first. It's pretty obvious that people want this, hence why water parks are holding up.
 

_caleb

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I used the term because that’s what the medical experts are calling them. Whether you believe in them or not, you can be sure that Disney doesn’t want a bunch of people to get sick on the way to or while visiting their parks and resorts.

By the way (and to the topic of this thread), I think this is very much about Iger’s legacy. Whether he’s still considering a political career or not, I believe he’s still hanging around Disney because he doesn’t want to be associated with the current mess the company is in.
 
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_caleb

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And then I realize it's hard to be as innovative today when they simply aren't trying as hard as they use to.
I think they think they’re trying as hard as they used to. WDI has some creative and hard-working people. But you’re right, they don’t work as hard as they did in the 60s-80s because as a company, Disney doesn’t have to. They don’t make their money (or their name) by working hard and innovating.
 

Monorail_Orange

Well-Known Member
I don't follow. If they are a bright spot in the industry right now, why wouldn't they lengthen trips? Imagine how wonderful it would feel to take a break from the scorching parks, hotter than normal from sweating into and exhaling into an already moist, dirty mask, by going down the street to a refreshing water park. The place where you can remove your mask without buying food first. It's pretty obvious that people want this, hence why water parks are holding up.
I think part of the real answer here is that Disney is going "all in" on the whole "effective mask" concept. At the waterparks, masks are obviously not compatible, and so, Disney is choosing not to operate them.

I also think, as has been already been mentioned, there are numerous other complicating factors, including that the lifeguards are primarily CP/IP (not there now).

You (plural "you," nothing personal) put all this in combination of Disney asking the question if it's worth operating, and apparently, so far, TDO's answer is no.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't follow. If they are a bright spot in the industry right now, why wouldn't they lengthen trips? Imagine how wonderful it would feel to take a break from the scorching parks, hotter than normal from sweating into and exhaling into an already moist, dirty mask, by going down the street to a refreshing water park. The place where you can remove your mask without buying food first. It's pretty obvious that people want this, hence why water parks are holding up.
Because nobody is coming out of town to take weeklong trips...contrary to what you see here.

Very infinitesimal numbers compared to the normal model.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think part of the real answer here is that Disney is going "all in" on the whole "effective mask" concept. At the waterparks, masks are obviously not compatible, and so, Disney is choosing not to operate them.

I also think, as has been already been mentioned, there are numerous other complicating factors, including that the lifeguards are primarily CP/IP (not there now).

You (plural "you," nothing personal) put all this in combination of Disney asking the question if it's worth operating, and apparently, so far, TDO's answer is no.
Perhaps...but if I know Disney internal data polling analysis ...they know masks are a huge problem for their business.

It could be a legal dictated approach that they’re using masks as a block...however
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
First the closure was going to build lots of pent-up demand for the parks. Then it was masks keeping people away. Then it was the State Line travel bans. Now it’s the ticket price and limited services. Why can’t it just be that there’s a global pandemic and sane and unselfish people don’t want to travel to a theme park right now?

Disney wants money. They just don’t want money that comes stained with the irreparable PR of a superspreader event.
So what you’re saying is:

Travel is screwed?


Lol...if anyone wants a hoot...go back to the early covid threads and find all the Disney purists who swore this WOULDNT be the case...then see who said it would repeatedly (annoyingly so)...

And then see who has quietly retreated into the shadows?
 

sbunit

Well-Known Member
First the closure was going to build lots of pent-up demand for the parks. Then it was masks keeping people away. Then it was the State Line travel bans. Now it’s the ticket price and limited services. Why can’t it just be that there’s a global pandemic and sane and unselfish people don’t want to travel to a theme park right now?

Disney wants money. They just don’t want money that comes stained with the irreparable PR of a superspreader event.

How about we just keep it simple and say it’s a multifactorial issue. There’s no one or two answers to their problem
 

Monorail_Orange

Well-Known Member
Perhaps...but if I know Disney internal data polling analysis ...they know masks are a huge problem for their business.

It could be a legal dictated approach that they’re using masks as a block...however
I know Disney is doubling-down on mask requirements, not only what we see externally, but also internally. There is training that stresses why the company is taking the stance that it is on the mask requirements, presumably to ensure that any recalcitrant employees/CMs are on-board.

This doesn't dispute or negate your point in any way, but it's an adjacent piece of the puzzle.
 

SirWillow

Well-Known Member
So what you’re saying is:

Travel is screwed?

At the risk of a slight diversion of topic- yep. Right now it certainly is.
had to take a trip from my home to LA area for some family business. Original flights into Ontario were canceled- not enough passengers and the times were changed. Still ended up with an entire row to myself because the plane had so few passengers.

Had to flyout of LAX home instead of Ontario because said flights were canceled. Ok, imagine LAX. Luggage check in for Delta had exactly 1 family in front of us. Security we had 3 and the line was at the top of the stairs. I've flown out of LAX a number of times and never seen that. it took us 10 minutes to check in luggage and clear security. And no, that is not a typo.

Entire row in front of me on my flight was empty, along with the rest of my row. it was an exit row so I moved up after we took off and had an entire open exit row to myself.

so yes, right now travel is screwed until things get under control.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
So what you’re saying is:

Travel is screwed?


Lol...if anyone wants a hoot...go back to the early covid threads and find all the Disney purists who swore this WOULDNT be the case...then see who said it would repeatedly (annoyingly so)...

And then see who has quietly retreated into the shadows?
... “ you guys are crazy if you don’t think when Disney opens it will be crazy! It’s going to be jammed packed and you haters won’t be around to hear us say I told you so..” Quoted from a actual post back in the day of going back and forth with a few of them. Well, we are here but, as you say... they are lurking in the shadows.
We aren’t Nostradamus, not that he got anything right anyway, but I thought it was pretty obvious. But I never thought it would be this bad.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
... “ you guys are crazy if you don’t think when Disney opens it will be crazy! It’s going to be jammed packed and you haters won’t be around to hear us say I told you so..” Quoted from a actual post back in the day of going back and forth with a few of them. Well, we are here but, as you say... they are lurking in the shadows.
We aren’t Nostradamus, not that he got anything right anyway, but I thought it was pretty obvious. But I never thought it would be this bad.
Give em the Ace

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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It’s the park reservation system that’s killing attendance, not that folks don’t want to go in my opinion. Even if you book a room on site, you are not guaranteed into a Park, never mind the park you want to go to on a given day.
Over 70% of the country in research is not comfortable going to that type of environment at present.

It’s your opinion...but I’m not sure it’s one of your best.

1. Fear
2. Money
3. Hurdles
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Right or wrong, be a man or woman and come back in. I’ve taken my lumps over the years. No big deal, learn and move on. They just need to listen to us more. 🤣
Only Iger knows...that is the only sure bet.

I’ve won and lost many over time. I lost on the skyway (whatever’s it’s called)...but to be fair they swore it was a canal 🙄...

Lost on the Caribbean DVC (I’m ok with being wrong about that)

Have never lost on country pavilions...I’ll take the darts there.

Judging the impact on travel is about experience and economics...here it became a pro-Disney/anti-Disney snit.

They control “a lot” in their vacuum...not everything.
 
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larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
It’s the park reservation system that’s killing attendance, not that folks don’t want to go in my opinion. Even if you book a room on site, you are not guaranteed into a Park, never mind the park you want to go to on a given day.
Not necessarily -- DS and his lovely wife are bailing on her parents' DVC trip next month (giving up a week of free lodging) because Florida is a huge hot spot right now.

For them, at least, it's self-preservation, not park reservation.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
It’s the park reservation system that’s killing attendance, not that folks don’t want to go in my opinion. Even if you book a room on site, you are not guaranteed into a Park, never mind the park you want to go to on a given day.
Maybe a small part of it but as I said in a previous post, my wife has lost almost 20 client trips over the next three months and not one has said it’s about park reservations. They just don’t want to fly and spend the money for limited experiences. That is 95% of what she’s hearing.
 

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