OK-Brother Bear is doing good. How about an attraction?

[X2CommNavISTC]

Get rid of that ________ ant of a show AKA the Pocahontas show or whatever that crap is, expand, and put the attraction/show in there.

I havent seen the movie so I dont know where BB is set but since its dealing with the North American wilderness, and since Camp M/M is based on a North East forest area of the USA, it would work.

Now that Im thinking about it, why didnt they build Festival of the Lion King over in Africa, hm, that leads me to a topic Im about to start.

 

[DisneyPhD]

Well I don't know about you guys, but I am guessing the 2 moose will be wandering around Cananda when I get there in Jan. (I think it is Alaska where the movie takes place, I haven't seen it yet, but moose tend to get lost Ah!:lol

 

[ucf disneyfan]

I hate to spoil everyones fun....but why does everyone think BB is a success??? It was #2 behind Scary Movie 3 and only made 18 million. If it didn't beat Scary Movie 3 how can we expect it to beat Matrix or Elf? Maybe it will have the drawing power that Pirates had over the summer. But its got alot to condend with this month.

 

[NemoRocks78]

Uh oh.....I forgot about Matrix Revolutions AND Elf coming....looks like we'll have a 3rd or 4th place finish sadly .

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by ucf disneyfan
I hate to spoil everyones fun....but why does everyone think BB is a success??? It was #2 behind Scary Movie 3 and only made 18 million. If it didn't beat Scary Movie 3 how can we expect it to beat Matrix or Elf? Maybe it will have the drawing power that Pirates had over the summer. But its got alot to condend with this month.

But it also opened on Saturday, and not Friday...that certainly affects the numbers.

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by ucf disneyfan
I hate to spoil everyones fun....but why does everyone think BB is a success??? It was #2 behind Scary Movie 3 and only made 18 million. If it didn't beat Scary Movie 3 how can we expect it to beat Matrix or Elf? Maybe it will have the drawing power that Pirates had over the summer. But its got alot to condend with this month.

Brother Bear would have EASILY beat Scary Movie 3 if it had opened on Friday as opposed to Saturday.

And yes it will have a tough time keeping up with the huge releases coming up. The Matrix is huge and Elf is a family movie that has high school and college students excited (That's very rare. But IMO Will Ferrell is a very rare comedy genius). This November is loaded with big movies. I just hope BB doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

 

[NemoRocks78]

I hear ya dxwwf3.....we still got Matrix and Elf opening this week, Looney Tunes: Back In Action along with Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World next week, The Cat in The Hat, Gothika, and Tupac: Ressurection the next one, and The Haunted Mansion, Bad Santa, and Timeline the week after. This is a bad time for Brother Bear to be out . I predict something happening to Brother Bear like what happened to The Rundown--great movie, bad time to be out.

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by NemoRocks78
I hear ya dxwwf3.....we still got Matrix and Elf opening this week, Looney Tunes: Back In Action along with Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World next week, The Cat in The Hat, Gothika, and Tupac: Ressurection the next one, and The Haunted Mansion, Bad Santa, and Timeline the week after. This is a bad time for Brother Bear to be out . I predict something happening to Brother Bear like what happened to The Rundown--great movie, bad time to be out.

Man this winter is loaded. I honestly think BB should've been released Summer 2004. But that's just my opinion, just like I think Treasure Planet and The Emperor's New Groove should've had different release dates. They could've held Home On The Range for the next summer. To me hand drawn animation movies need to be released in the summer. It's just when we are used to them coming out and it's always going to be more favorable for the little ones. The reason computer animation movies do so well in November is because I believe they have a larger adult audience than hand drawn so it doesn't really matter when they are released :lol: (And of course they are just flat out more popular right now).

 

[CTXRover]

BB actually made 19.4 million this weekend. It did better than the 18.5 million estimate Disney made yesterday Scary Movie 3 made 20.0 million this weekend according to actuals, making BB just a mere .6 million behind it. If it had opened on Friday BB would have definetely been # 1 this weekend. I did a comparison of BB's numbers with some other movie's numbers using just their Sat and Sun take in the Movie forum, and BB did pretty good. (For instance, TP made just 7 million on its first Sat. and Sun. Stitch made about 23-24 million its first Sat. and Sun and went on to gross 145 million.) It had a great hold from Sat to Sun, which bodes well for the film. However, it has some very strong competition from ELF this weekend, but Matrix will have little effect. Matrix and BB have two very different audiences. One is rated R, the other G. You can't get farther apart then that :lol: Depending on how it can hold this weekend will determine if it is a success or not. If it drops bad next weekend, BB could be another flop. If it holds decently, it could have potential to make at least 100 million.

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by CTXRover
but Matrix will have little effect. Matrix and BB have two very different audiences. One is rated R, the other G. You can't get farther apart then that :lol:

Normally and basically in any other case I would totally agree with you. But I honestly think that the Matrix movies aren't your usual "R Rated" movies. Sure there is alot of action and violence but they are quite tame compared to most other action movies nowadays (Most R rated movies have more bad language in the first 10 minutes than in any of the Matrix movies).

And now to my point :lol: . When I went to see Reloaded (Matrix 2) in the theater I was SHOCKED to see how many kids were in the theater. I'd say there were at least 20 to 30 kids under the age of 13 with their parents. That's no joke. I really think that most parents think that these movies aren't really "that bad". So after seeing this I wonder if it is like that all over the country.

This is what makes me think that the final Matrix being released might not be as easy to shrug off as just about any other R rated movie. Of course I could be totally wrong and maybe that many kids won't be seeing Revolutions. I am just going from personal experience on this one.

 

[AndyMagic]

Just to set the record straight, as a person who follows the box office religously. Brother Bear is in fact a pretty big success so far. It made 19.4 million in 2 days. It beat out nearly all major predictions including Entertainment Weekly which said, "Brother Bear should pull in about 11 million this weekend." It would have made about 27 million had it opened on a regular Friday which is huge for this movie that really didn't have much hype. Comparing a little G-rated animated flick to movies like Matrix and Pirates is pointless. It is a success based on expectations which is really the most important factor. Now the real question is, how well will it hold over the coming weekend. The Matrix audience isn't related to the Brother Bear audience AT ALL so that movie isn't going to cause problems. Elf is it's biggest problem.

 

[Legacy]

To all of you worried about Matrix in comparison with Brother Bear, go to Chit Chat and read NowInc's review. Let's just say I seriously doubt Matrix will be a contender for long.

Elf is another story, but I have a feeling that Brother Bear will last like Lilo and Stitch did; coming out of nowhere (basically) and surviving for quite a while. I'm going to see it in the next couple of weeks I know that.

 

[disnyfan89]

Elf may or may not be a big problem!!! Does anyone here even know anyone is going!!!! I know 2 people who are going to see elf but 20 people who want to see BB. And the matrix isnt that big of a threat!!!! If anything Brother Bear will be #4 or five for a long time!!!

 

[Daannzzz]

I suspect "The Matrixe" movie will draw a huge crowd this week end but even general movie goers who have seen the sneaks of this are pounding it into the ground!!!! Read IMDB and be shocked. I wasn't impressed with the previews for "Elf" but it seems that EVERYONE likes it. I think that will put a big dent in BB's take next week.

 

[clark7371]

Originally posted by Donfan
The Animal Kingdom is certainly lacking representation of either North or South America. An American Land could feature bison, deer, elk, puma, jaguar, South American monkeys and birds, fish (trout and piranha), and lots of other animals. Moose and bears could be there with Brother Bear characters representing the area.

When I visited AK, I wondered why there wasn't an American area. The only thing I can figure is that maybe those animals won't do as well in the Florida climate?

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by clark7371
When I visited AK, I wondered why there wasn't an American area. The only thing I can figure is that maybe those animals won't do as well in the Florida climate?

When talk of a North America Continent in AK pops up... close behind must come talks about the DCA factor...whats the DCA factor you may ask?

Well the idea was that DCA would be a great park for DL Resort because it would allow people to "see" the whole state in one day without leaving the resort......the problem with that is it didn't offer locals and people in the immediate area any form of escapism (is that a word...lol)....so thats one of the reasons DCA was/is a complete flop....

So would putting a North American Contintent be the right thing to do...or is placing a more exotic continent like South America or Australia the way to go....

:wave:

 

[stitch rocks]

i was reading in the new disney catalog that there will be an attraction at dca for borther bear. u get to meet the characters and a story will be told... thats somewhat of an attraction

 

[Jusjuice]

Just to get it straight-- Brother Bear is set in pre-Ice Age North America. Just North America....because the filmmakers wanted the best of everything, not just a specific location like Canada, California, or Alaska.

For now, I think Disney plans to put some kind of meet n' greet into Canada at epcot, but this sounds temporary, so I don't see it staying around for more than a year.

Although not perfect, A re-theming of Camp Minnie Mickey would be a good home for the BB characters. Since the Pocahantas show seems to always be rumored as "just about to close" I would imagine Disney putting in some kind of Brother Bear related show into that theater, possibly followed by a meet n' greet with rutt and tuke animatronics. The best way to turn this area into more of a generic North America without drastic changes would be to retheme the side with the pocohontas show to brother bear-type wilderness, extending it with a few animal exhibits. The other side could remain the already North American-themed camp minnie mickey, with the permanent character meet n' greets. If North America happens in the near future, I would not expect much more than a show, and a few animal exhibits. This would be nice, but thats exactly what AK has plenty of. They need rides.

Unfortunately, It seems that Disney only seems to be interested in building new shows lately. I would imagine if anything comes to AK, it would be a show. The bad thing is, after youv'e built the show, it becomes outdated and very unpopular quickly. If they would just invest in a few big attractions, even a Brother Bear ride would not become that outdated in 20 years if it is a good ride.

 

[Snapper Bean]

Originally posted by Jusjuice
Just to get it straight-- Brother Bear is set in pre-Ice Age North America. Just North America....because the filmmakers wanted the best of everything, not just a specific location like Canada, California, or Alaska.

For now, I think Disney plans to put some kind of meet n' greet into Canada at epcot, but this sounds temporary, so I don't see it staying around for more than a year.

Although not perfect, A re-theming of Camp Minnie Mickey would be a good home for the BB characters. Since the Pocahantas show seems to always be rumored as "just about to close" I would imagine Disney putting in some kind of Brother Bear related show into that theater, possibly followed by a meet n' greet with rutt and tuke animatronics. The best way to turn this area into more of a generic North America without drastic changes would be to retheme the side with the pocohontas show to brother bear-type wilderness, extending it with a few animal exhibits. The other side could remain the already North American-themed camp minnie mickey, with the permanent character meet n' greets. If North America happens in the near future, I would not expect much more than a show, and a few animal exhibits. This would be nice, but thats exactly what AK has plenty of. They need rides.

Unfortunately, It seems that Disney only seems to be interested in building new shows lately. I would imagine if anything comes to AK, it would be a show. The bad thing is, after youv'e built the show, it becomes outdated and very unpopular quickly. If they would just invest in a few big attractions, even a Brother Bear ride would not become that outdated in 20 years if it is a good ride.

I agree. AK really could use a non-thrill dark ride and a bear theme, whether tied to Brother Bear or not, would be great. I'm no imagineer but wouldn't you think that the cost of a great dark ride would be cheaper than an e-ticket thrill ride? I would but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Disney thinks that building a new dark ride isn't the park draw that a thrill ride is? Maybe they are right? I guess I'm just trying to figure out the phenomenon that I see, namely that after a park is initially built really only thrill rides, kiddie rides and shows are added. You almost never see a NEW dark ride (Buzz Lightyear in DL being the exception).

 

[Jusjuice]

Buzz Lightyear is easy to copy, as they are already building one at TDL, and for relatively cheap (under $40 million). Although it is a fun ride, that doesn't get you much. Two animatronics. A few painted flats. And at DL, an omnimover and track.

That's the problem. The kind of original dark ride we would want at AK would cost big $$$ because of the building, AA's, etc. I still think two dark rides that everyone would want to ride would be a better investment than a $100++ million thrill ride, although AK desperately needs RIDES.