OCVibe Approved by Anaheim City Council.

October82

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I think we're in agreement here - when the government sticks its nose into the marketplace, bad things happen.
I try to be a practical person, so I don't think I'd put it quite like that. Governments sometimes do good things and sometimes bad. Building codes are great for creating uniform standards that can lower construction costs, and environmental regulations that require clean up of industrial sites before adaptive reuse are probably something we all want government to do.

The thing that is important here is that it's really local government, not federal, or even state that is the barrier to lower housing and development costs. It's almost never out of a desire for government to control the market - rent control is not the dominant issue, and the economic impacts of those can be quite subtle too - but rather it's people who say things like "I don't want to live next to apartments", "I don't want to deal with more traffic in the resort area", or "I want parking to be free" and use local government rules to prioritize those concerns over that of new development and housing affordability.

And while it's similar all throughout California, the CA legislature (not traditionally known for its small government mindset) has passed a number of bills exempting some developments from state level regulations and incentivizing local governments to make changes that lower development and therefore housing costs. In LA and the IE, housing and development costs are starting to stabilize in real terms. Orange County (and San Diego), by contrast, has some of the worst increases in housing costs of any major area in the country. That's not driven by 'big government' types - it's driven at the local level.

IMO, we should spend more time talking about how big developments are financed and approved and less time on the ideological battles. That's the way to solve homelessness and lower housing costs for everyone.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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Yeah seems like things are picking up. They knocked down the vacant college building last month and traffic seems to be a mess now getting to and leaving Honda Center.
 

TP2000

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Update on ocvibe construction beginning


That's construction for the long-planned parking structure that Anaheim is paying for itself at the city-owned Honda Center. It's a parking project that's been in the works for over a decade because parking at the Honda Center on big game days is notoriously inadequate. Many people have to park at the lots across the freeway surrounding the stadium and walk along Katella a half mile or more to get to the Honda Center.

There are two parking structures to be built on current surface lots surrounding the Honda Center, noted in the yellow zones on that map, that are being built and paid for by Anaheim with city-issued bonds.

The OC Vibe project itself; the apartments, hotel, restaurants, nightclubs, offices, a Woonerf or two, are still in a deep freeze.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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Best to just avoid Ducks games altogether the way they are playing :)
Lmao this guy. I’ve had season seats since 2005. It will be worth it in a couple of years. You rebuild by drafting well and we are stacked at Defense. The Kings ended their rebuild prematurely.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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That's construction for the long-planned parking structure that Anaheim is paying for itself at the city-owned Honda Center. It's a parking project that's been in the works for over a decade because parking at the Honda Center on big game days is notoriously inadequate. Many people have to park at the lots across the freeway surrounding the stadium and walk along Katella a half mile or more to get to the Honda Center.

There are two parking structures to be built on current surface lots surrounding the Honda Center, noted in the yellow zones on that map, that are being built and paid for by Anaheim with city-issued bonds.

The OC Vibe project itself; the apartments, hotel, restaurants, nightclubs, offices, a Woonerf or two, are still in a deep freeze.
For the longest my main complaint was the lack of food in the area before going to the game. I recently discovered Tacos Los Cholos on State College and my problems have magically gone away.
 

TP2000

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For those unfamiliar with the Honda Center's long term parking woes, the city of Anaheim was trying to find a way to add parking structures to the area back in the 2010's. Here's a news article below from 2018 about a plan touted by then-Mayor Tait to build some parking structures along the freeway side the Honda Center to help alleviate the parking problems there.

Anaheim city hall is finally doing that now, with $400 Million in city-issued bonds to pay for it.


This was a part of the larger ARTIC plan, the Anaheim response to helping the area around the $200 Million mega train station built as the southern terminus of California's coming High Speed Rail system. Starting in 2020, trains began departing hourly from ARTIC and speed north to San Francisco at 220 mph. Now that California High Speed Rail has been in operation for four years already after California voters agreed to spend $9.5 Billion in bonds to build it back in 2008, Anaheim needs to improve the area around the very busy ARTIC high speed rail complex and the less-busy yet still important Honda Center. ;)

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And from back in 2020, the year California High Speed Rail began operating 220mph bullet trains from Anaheim to San Francisco, comes this update...

 

Stevek

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Lmao this guy. I’ve had season seats since 2005. It will be worth it in a couple of years. You rebuild by drafting well and we are stacked at Defense. The Kings ended their rebuild prematurely.
Yep, Ducks will be pretty good in a couple years. Kings are in bad shape right now.
 

TP2000

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I spent Easter in Las Vegas, because if I'm not going to go to Sunday church service, Sin City seems appropriate somehow. And I had dinner with friends from OC who spent decades in commercial real estate in OC. And while we discussed the soaring vacancy rates in the OC commercial real estate market, the update on OCVibe is...

Nothing. Not a peep. The parking structures paid for by the city are underway, but the actual OCVibe development is still stuck in an abandoned Woonerf somewhere. Heading into Spring '24, there's no real movement on OCVibe.

What will the area look like when the Olympics bring volleyball to the Honda Center? I imagine there's still a closing window of time, perhaps another year, for construction to start on at least a first phase or much smaller version of OCVibe that could be completed by 2028. But it now seems unlikely that the area will look anything like the splashy artist renderings that OCVibe once claimed would be done by '28...

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Consumer

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There's an idea. What good are more offices when people work at home? Building more housing also makes the area into a walkable community, rather than a destination, guaranteeing that the space is full of life instead of the dead zone it would be.
 

TP2000

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Interesting!

This plays into what I heard at dinner in Las Vegas last month. The developers and the Samueli's are getting nowhere with this entire plan. The financing isn't there yet, and they've got no one signing on the dotted line for any of it.

The office building this article mentions has been there for about 30 years. It's your basic 2-story suburban Class A office complex, but it's aging now and in no shape for a signature corporate tenant. All of those big tenants that remain are clustered around the Irvine Spectrum, Fashion Island, or South Coast Plaza in OC. They're wise to bulldoze this and build more apartments, even though there are thousands of new apartments a few blocks west in the Platinum Triangle.

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TP2000

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What's worse is that a few hundred thousand square feet of this complex was slated for commercial real estate. And that's exactly how this topic came up at dinner, with friends who worked in commercial real estate in OC for decades and know the territory and all the big players very well.

The commercial real estate market in all of SoCal is in a total free fall right now. Vacancies are growing everywhere, from suburban strip malls to tony shopping districts to mega-malls. Anchors are closing, infill stores are closing, and empty storefronts grow by the month now.

The entire OCVibe concept needs to be rethought. And also not pretend that California High Speed Rail will ever exist, much less arrive at the ARTIC station that was instrumental to the OCVibe project.
 
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truecoat

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What's worse is that a few hundred thousand square feet of this complex was slated for commercial real estate. And that's exactly how this topic came up at dinner, with friends who worked in commercial real estate in OC for decades and now the territory and all the big players very well.

The commercial real estate market in all of SoCal is in a total free fall right now. Vacancies are growing everywhere, from suburban strip malls to tony shopping districts to mega-malls. Anchors are closing, infill stores are closing, and empty storefronts grow by the month now.

The entire OCVibe concept needs to be rethought. And also not pretend that California High Speed Rail will ever exist, much less arrive at the ARTIC station that was instrumental to the OCVibe project.

SoDo SoPa lives on to fight another day!
 

TP2000

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SoDo SoPa lives on to fight another day!

I am not a regular viewer of South Park, but I've seen some of their most famous stuff on YouTube.

Anyone who can so cleverly skewer the pompous and the self-important like they do is a winner in my book!

And that whole SoDo SoPa series of material is some of their funniest and most clever. And so useful here. 🤣
 

TP2000

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Summer 2024 UPDATE:

This morning I had a long phone call with a good friend still in OC about coordinating dinners and events this summer, and I asked how OCVibe was going as he was intimately involved in OC commercial real estate for decades during his successful career years. And...

Nothing is happening with OCVibe. It's now June, 2024 and still nothing. Construction has started on the long-delayed parking garage that the City of Anaheim is paying for and building next to the Honda Center, but that's a city project separate from OCVibe.

OCVibe has not begun the design and permit process with the City of Anaheim for any of its proposed towers or buildings, and has made no 2024 announcement about when that pre-construction process might start. The 2028 Olympics are now 4 years away, and still.... nothing for OCVibe. 🤔
 

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