Not Disney related but a serious issue that needs our attention!

[Jimmy Thick]

But it holds too many people responsible for other's actions. If I post a pirated link on this website, Steve would be held directly responsible, as would I. But so would Paypal, who would be ordered to cease all actions on this site. The site would be blacked out within 5 days. Steve could then file a counter suit stating why he feels this site isn't responsible but he would have to go to court. If they determine this site did host a pirated link he would have a charge of felonious perjury added to his permanent record. For him to prevent this from happening Steve would have to hire scoes of moderators to go through every single posting in every single forum and check every single link as well as the links on the pages that those link to.

This would be too cost prohibitive and the site may have to either shut down, risk it and hope no one posts copyrighted materials, or change what they allow, meaning we can not post pics, video or links. This last option would be the most reasonable for Steve to do...BUT, other sites would not have this option and would have to cease doing business, such as youtube or ebay or reddit etc.

And how is this bad? If your posting things that you do not own, or are posting links to pirated materials, you deserve the conquences.


Jimmy Thick-Blame Napster...

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Furthermore this isn't going to stop piracy at all. People will find ways around this as the always do. Additionally, damages from piracy of electronic media is hard to ascertain. You really can't show how much, if any, money you lost. The reason why is because you have to prove that the pirates would for a fact have purchased your product anyways. It's not like a physical medium is stolen in which case you've lost production time/money etc and have to replace said product. What is stolen is, in actuality nothing unless the pirate would have gone to the store, in which case you have lost future revenues from something someone may have purchased. In reality a lot people who are stealing music, movies etc. probably weren't going to buy them anyways and so no loss occurred...

Ok, lets nip this in the bud right here.


Take a game maker for example.

Now games can take years to make, people putting in a extended effort of busting their behinds, like most people for a honest days pay. Now say the game they just made was released and it sold 10k copies, while that seems like a lot, if your budget for the game was 3 million, they just lost a huge amount of money.

Now why did the game not sell? Poor reviews? Maybe, but what if a pirate had a link to the game, cracked, available on the first day its released? What if people downloaded this pirated link 500k times as to buying it, who is the real loser here? Now then what if, because of lagging sales the game maker had to get rid of a bunch of workers to stay afloat, and now these workers are living on unemployment, my tax dollars, to make ends meet.

Piracy kills, people are losing revenue because of it. and it can ruin peoples lives and is more prevailant than you could possibly think. We need this legislation to protect from this.

While I will be the first to say there are some movies, games and music that would best be used as a coaster then its intended purpose, that does not mean you should steal them.


Jimmy Thick-Can't make an omlete without cracking a few eggs...

 

[sublimesting]

Ok, lets nip this in the bud right here.


Take a game maker for example.

Now games can take years to make, people putting in a extended effort of busting their behinds, like most people for a honest days pay. Now say the game they just made was released and it sold 10k copies, while that seems like a lot, if your budget for the game was 3 million, they just lost a huge amount of money.

Now why did the game not sell? Poor reviews? Maybe, but what if a pirate had a link to the game, cracked, available on the first day its released? What if people downloaded this pirated link 500k times as to buying it, who is the real loser here? Now then what if, because of lagging sales the game maker had to get rid of a bunch of workers to stay afloat, and now these workers are living on unemployment, my tax dollars, to make ends meet.

Piracy kills, people are losing revenue because of it. and it can ruin peoples lives and is more prevailant than you could possibly think. We need this legislation to protect from this.

While I will be the first to say there are some movies, games and music that would best be used as a coaster then its intended purpose, that does not mean you should steal them.


Jimmy Thick-Can't make an omlete without cracking a few eggs...

This particular legislation is too draconian! It holds everyone responsible. This law would hold Steve and paypal responsible if Martin posted a cool ride video that Disney decided was a copyright violation. Or if someone said "Hey mousebits is really cool check it out. But Disney decides mousebits is infringing on songs the Sherman Brothersd wrote for Disney. Down goes wdwmagic.com. You can track down pirates here and serve notice to illegal downloaders but abroad we have no authority. Our only recourse to adhere to the law is to start blacking out sites for good.
Anyways the recording/movie/music industry has gotten way too greedy for their own good. I can't even buy a $40 concert ticket without a $60 markup. New artists can't get air time because they didn;t follow the formula the record companies wanted them to. It shouldn't be up to the government to assist one industry by making laws. Business has to stay out of Washington period. If the recording industry wants to stop piracy then make discs you can't copy, or add cool features to disks that you can;t download like Pink Floyds The Wall re-issue. In other words innovate like Disney did or be left behind.

 

[sublimesting]

Looks like it will probably be defeated anyhow.....hopefully. The internet blackouts yesterday caused a lot of folks to finally take notice.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

This particular legislation is too draconian! It holds everyone responsible. This law would hold Steve and paypal responsible if Martin posted a cool ride video that Disney decided was a copyright violation. Or if someone said "Hey mousebits is really cool check it out. But Disney decides mousebits is infringing on songs the Sherman Brothersd wrote for Disney. Down goes wdwmagic.com. You can track down pirates here and serve notice to illegal downloaders but abroad we have no authority. Our only recourse to adhere to the law is to start blacking out sites for good.
Anyways the recording/movie/music industry has gotten way too greedy for their own good. I can't even buy a $40 concert ticket without a $60 markup. New artists can't get air time because they didn;t follow the formula the record companies wanted them to. It shouldn't be up to the government to assist one industry by making laws. Business has to stay out of Washington period. If the recording industry wants to stop piracy then make discs you can't copy, or add cool features to disks that you can;t download like Pink Floyds The Wall re-issue. In other words innovate like Disney did or be left behind.

If people are posting copyrighted materials, and a ride video would be considered copyrighted materials, then it would be against the law and people should be punished. How is this difficult?

The Movie/music/game/ theme park industries are greedy, but that does not give people the right to steal what they offer. What if the work you did for a living was being stolen, and it cost you money, how would you like that? Just because people are famous does not mean they should not have the right to make money for what they do, or make as much as they can.

For the most part nothing in this world is free, and no one is entitled to anything, once people realize this laws like the one on the block won't be ever considered.


Jimmy Thick-Its more than a few bad apples...

 

[wm49rs]

So a site such as this should be punished for someone who fails to fully perform a copyright background check on a video or internet link? Nothing like trying to kill the fly with a ____________hammer......


Jimmy Thick- Truly, it doesn't get any thicker......

 

[Jimmy Thick]

So a site such as this should be punished for someone who fails to fully perform a copyright background check on a video or internet link? Nothing like trying to kill the fly with a ____________hammer......


Jimmy Thick- Truly, it doesn't get any thicker......

If this law is passed, and I think it should for piracy, then this site would have to adapt to these laws or cease to exist, its really not difficult to comprehend.

A simple solution would be to not allow video's or link to video's be displayed in the forum, which with vB software is beyond easy to accomplish and takes exactly one second to perform completely.


Jimmy Thick-LePwned...As usual...

 

[wm49rs]

If this law is passed, and I think it should for piracy, then this site would have to adapt to these laws or cease to exist, its really not difficult to comprehend.

A simple solution would be to not allow video's or link to video's be displayed in the forum, which with vB software is beyond easy to accomplish and takes exactly one second to perform completely.


Jimmy Thick-LePwned...As usual...

Not a matter of comprehension (which is obviously challenging for some), but rather one of fairness and practicality. Every website owner should not be held liable for those who link or publish videos simply because the trademark wasn't examined fully by some or the connecting link wasn't fully examined for potential liability. There's piracy and there's simple mistakes. Refusing to distinguish between the two is Draconian at best......

Jimmy Thick- Just can't penetrate the thickness sometimes.....

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Not a matter of comprehension (which is obviously challenging for some), but rather one of fairness and practicality. Every website owner should not be held liable for those who link or publish videos simply because the trademark wasn't examined fully by some or the connecting link wasn't fully examined for potential liability. There's piracy and there's simple mistakes. Refusing to distinguish between the two is Draconian at best......

Jimmy Thick- Just can't penetrate the thickness sometimes.....

And if you eliminate the ability to post video's or links to video's, which as I stated is incredibly easy to do, would this not take away any potential liability to this site or any others for that matter?

Piracy is the reason for these laws being considered, not someone posting a Youtube, but in the process to combat piracy there might be innocent caualties which is the price to pay for the mistakes, simple or not, of others.

Might be hard to grasp for some, or classified as something its not, but rampant piracy has gone on long enough, and ruined enough lives, changes need to be made.


Jimmy Thick-<---Laughing, no really!!!

 

[wm49rs]

And if you eliminate the ability to post video's or links to video's, which as I stated is incredibly easy to do, would this not take away any potential liability to this site or any others for that matter?

Piracy is the reason for these laws being considered, not someone posting a Youtube, but in the process to combat piracy there might be innocent caualties which is the price to pay for the mistakes, simple or not, of others.

Might be hard to grasp for some, or classified as something its not, but rampant piracy has gone on long enough, and ruined enough lives, changes need to be made.


Jimmy Thick-<---Laughing, no really!!!

So we should eliminate every potential link posted here (or video), for the sake of random acts of so-called piracy, whether purposeful or by accident? Yes, that's a perfectly rational path to take. Let's eliminate any potential pathways of discussion because a select number has decided everyone should keep their own marbles and stop playing......

And yes, piracy on site such as these has certainly been the ruination of untold scores of...., well, no never mind. It actually hasn't.....

Jimmy Thick- Thick doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.....

 

[Jimmy Thick]

So we should eliminate every potential link posted here (or video), for the sake of random acts of so-called piracy, whether purposeful or by accident? Yes, that's a perfectly rational path to take. Let's eliminate any potential pathways of discussion because a select number has decided everyone should keep their own marbles and stop playing......

And yes, piracy on site such as these has certainly been the ruination of untold scores of...., well, no never mind. It actually hasn't.....

Jimmy Thick- Thick doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.....

If the law in passed, just what do you think the owers of this site will do?

Let me guess, disable video's and links to video's because its easy to do, removes liability and the potential headache involved. This law was not something just thought up a couple days ago, this issue has been brewing as long as the internet has been around, unfortunately, its time to possibly pay the piper, and in my opinion because of rampant piracy, long past due.

While this forum, as far as I can tell has no issues with piracy, I would be so bold to say 70-80% of other forums have links to pirated goods, making your point rather moot, and other things, but I don't feel the need to insult people.:lol:


Jimmy Thick-<---Shaking his head, and feeling sorry...

 

[wm49rs]

If the law in passed, just what do you think the owers of this site will do?

Let me guess, disable video's and links to video's because its easy to do, removes liability and the potential headache involved. This law was not something just thought up a couple days ago, this issue has been brewing as long as the internet has been around, unfortunately, its time to possibly pay the piper, and in my opinion because of rampant piracy, long past due.

While this forum, as far as I can tell has no issues with piracy, I would be so bold to say 70-80% of other forums have links to pirated goods, making your point rather moot, and other things, but I don't feel the need to insult people.:lol:


Jimmy Thick-<---Shaking his head, and feeling sorry...

Actually, the owners of this forum wouldn't have many worries, considering they are based in the U.K. and those laws passed in the United States aren't applicable. Unless of course this measure sought to domestically shut down every avenue possible to linking to the site, or referencing it in any way. But let's punish every site possible, because after all piracy is such a home-grown industry. Oh wait, here we go again.....it's not. So again, this law wouldn't really do much to address those nations and peoples who commit the more egregious acts of piracy. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

And since you seem to live off your screen name, I figured others were allowed as well. Or is that considered piracy too?

Jimmy Thick- Thick is as thick does......

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Actually, the owners of this forum wouldn't have many worries, considering they are based in the U.K. and those laws passed in the United States aren't applicable. Unless of course this measure sought to domestically shut down every avenue possible to linking to the site, or referencing it in any way. But let's punish every site possible, because after all piracy is such a home-grown industry. Oh wait, here we go again.....it's not. So again, this law wouldn't really do much to address those nations and peoples who commit the more egregious acts of piracy. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

And since you seem to live off your screen name, I figured others were allowed as well. Or is that considered piracy too?

Jimmy Thick- Thick is as thick does......

Ok this ^ makes absolutely no sense and deflates any argument you have been trying to accomplish. Now if such possible law goes into effect and does not affect this site due to its location, what are you worried about? Possibly this site not being displayed in the USA? Ah, now thats the killer, innit?

But, Iam in a generous mood.


Since this site is, oh 90-95% text, what does this law really do to it other than being forced to remove video's/audio or links to video, etc? Please indulge me.

I have some errands to run, so think about it.


Jimmy Thick-This ought to be good...Yeah right...

 

[wm49rs]

Ok this ^ makes absolutely no sense and deflates any argument you have been trying to accomplish. Now if such possible law goes into effect and does not affect this site due to its location, what are you worried about? Possibly this site not being displayed in the USA? Ah, now thats the killer, innit?

But, Iam in a generous mood.


Since this site is, oh 90-95% text, what does this law really do to it other than being forced to remove video's/audio or links to video, etc? Please indulge me.

I have some errands to run, so think about it.


Jimmy Thick-This ought to be good...Yeah right...

I guess you've never heard of laws ending at the water's edge. Curious, for someone who claims to be a law enforcement official.....

But lets punish those in the U.S. for even the smallest of alleged offenses. Lock down sites and search engines from those here in the U.S. because of supposed piracy, no matter the origin or intent. Because after all, it's a drastically serious threat impacting untold lives through the nation. Oh wait, we covered this one before......it's not.

Jimmy Thick- Showing the thick can only get thicker.....

 

[sublimesting]

The law purposefully targets foreign web sits specifically. One measure would be to black out this site for America. I would think without American support and usage this site would fail to exist.

 

[wm49rs]

I found this mildly amusing. Whoever designed the Congressman's website- to the gallows.....

http://boingboing.net/2012/01/12/congressman-who-wrote-sopa-is.html

 

[acishere]

Well it looks like the interwebs has defeated SOPA

http://www.avclub.com/articles/congress-calls-off-sopa-and-pipa-votes-leaving-us,67992/

 

[Bairstow]

Well it looks like the interwebs has defeated SOPA

http://www.avclub.com/articles/congress-calls-off-sopa-and-pipa-votes-leaving-us,67992/

Old news, actually.
The bills were shelved last week, long before the Google/Wikipedia blackouts took place.
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/204167-sopa-shelved-until-consensus-is-found