No Extra Magic Hours Starting 1/1/16? Update: EMH to Continue

PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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AquaDuck said:
Don't kid yourself, Dave. A good 90% of the people that book rooms at Disney have no idea that there is EMH or what it even is. It's a perk they come to find out about once they get to the resorts and do take advantage of. The only people that will be hurt by a move like this would be those who travel to WDW often or read these boards....
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And that would indicate a fundamental shift of the crowd from being primarily returning guests to being first timer's/one-and-done'rs.
 
invader

invader

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AEfx said:
Well maybe y'alls experience isn't the same as everyone else.

I book based on EMH. I have been choosing to stay off property more and more, and if they took away EMH - I would never have a reason to book on-site again. There isn't a single other reason for me to want to spend the outrageous cost it takes to stay on site when I can get a much nicer hotel for much less money that has real amenities that isn't really any further from the parks than most WDW resorts.

Thinking the rides are going to get more maint (or that they get less maint because of a couple of hours once or twice a week) is the laughable part. They have plenty of time all night long to do maint - it's that they don't pay nearly as many folks to perform it anymore, it has nothing to do with guests being around an extra couple of hours, LOL. It's as naive as thinking they are going to instead increase overall hours.
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You'll be that less than 5% they MAY lose then by making a move like this. Won't hurt the bottom line. I don't support the move at all but some act like losing EMH is the end of the world.

PhotoDave219 said:
And that would indicate a fundamental shift of the crowd from being primarily returning guests to being first timer's/one-and-done'rs.
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Which is exactly what they want.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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AquaDuck said:
You'll be that less than 5% they MAY lose then by making a move like this. Won't hurt the bottom line. I don't support the move at all but some act like losing EMH is the end of the world.
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No one has said the end of the world - just that that was the last remaining reason for us to stay on property.

Where are you getting your 5% figure? Because Disney advertises EMH quite heavily as a benefit, right on their own website, on every park times map, etc. - they tell you about it at check-in as well.

And here's the thing - it's a selling point even to those who don't end up using it.

AquaDuck said:
Which is exactly what they want.
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That would be a neat trick - given as for the past dozen years they have done everything possible to do the opposite. Do you think they spent $2B dollars on plastic bands for the one time guest? No, they did it for the repeat guests, who they see as the most valuable financially, which is why were are in this state to begin with, and why parks aren't just open later to begin with and they invented EMH in the first place. Because most of the list of "benefits" of staying on property don't hold much water these days - to say this isn't a huge selling point is missing the bigger picture.
 
DManRightHere

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Mawg said:
I would be much happier if they gave me 3 extra fast passes (6 total but have to be able to schedule at multiple parks) a day for staying onsite than having EMH. Would be much more flexible than trying to make the odd hours and having to hop when the crowds get too heavy. Offsite guests would be at such a disadvantage as not only would they only get 3 but they would all be taken when they went to book them.
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I don't see 3 extra FP's. 1 would sound kind of weak...but I'd still be surprised if they gave 2...
 
hopemax

hopemax

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AquaDuck said:
You'll be that less than 5% they MAY lose then by making a move like this. Won't hurt the bottom line. I don't support the move at all but some act like losing EMH is the end of the world.


Which is exactly what they want.
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In 2002, it very much was the end of the World, which was why they brought it back as quickly as they did. In 2002, it DID affect resort bookings.

Some of you follow Repentant Orc on Twitter, this is what he said back when all this was going down in 2002. And if you don't, or don't think he knows anything, then it won't matter.

http://www.disboards.com/threads/up...ry-returning-oct-1.265312/page-2#post-2394461

The return of something like Early Entry has to rank as the biggest “WELL DUH!!!!!” in Disney history. Despite all the rumblings about research, the original cancellation had absolutely nothing to do with surveys, analysis, or guests’ desires. It was a cost savings move pure and simple on the part of people who can read a PowerPoint presentation but do not understand business (they ended saving a small amount of operating costs but killed the hotel occupancy rate – just as everyone said it would). All the talk about “character interaction” was just marketing to justify their actions.

Disney’s fiscal year starts on October 1st. You can expect to see some other changes and/or tradeoffs around that date too when new budgets start. Of course, any restorations at WDW are really subject to the ratings at ABC and the which side is currently leading in the Orlando-Burbank tug-of-war.
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Maybe, the demographics have shifted enough to support this. But combined with all the other operational changes and rumored price increases...it's a little too much playing with fire, for my comfort level.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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hopemax said:
In 2002, it very much was the end of the World, which was why they brought it back as quickly as they did. In 2002, it DID affect resort bookings.

Some of you follow Repentant Orc on Twitter, this is what he said back when all this was going down in 2002. And if you don't, or don't think he knows anything, then it won't matter.

http://www.disboards.com/threads/up...ry-returning-oct-1.265312/page-2#post-2394461



Maybe, the demographics have shifted enough to support this. But combined with all the other operational changes and rumored price increases...it's a little too much playing with fire, for my comfort level.
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Ahhhhhh spreadsheet culture. It will be our undoing.

Who else remembers Project Gemini?
 
John

John

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This thing about not be able to maintenance the park is just baloney......you can do anything if you want to spend enough money......see what I did there?
 
beachlover4444

beachlover4444

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I think the parks would be better served to actually be closed from midnight to 8 am every night so that routine maintenance can be done. I hate coming in and still seeing people doing horticulture maintenance or painters finishing up, etc. It ruins the "magic" seeing that stuff that's supposed to be done when nobody is around. And once they get HS, Epcot and AK all fully operating and expanded those parks can all be open 9-9 or 9-11 taking some of the load off MK. I know for those of us who only go for 2-5 days and not stay a whole week, obviously I'm going to a park with the longest operating hours not AK open 8-6 then I feel cheated (often we don't have park hopper passes). So once Avatar and the evening night things open at AK that park will feel like its more of a FULL DAY park. Yes EMH is a perk. But if every park is say 8 am to midnight that is plenty of time to do everything and I wouldn't miss it. I've also never liked FP and I think booking the FP and dinner res in advance is the new BIG perk to being on property not the EMH.
 
HolleBolleGijs

HolleBolleGijs

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ISTCNavigator57 said:
Also, the evening hours aren't just 2 hours. If you are in line at closing, you get to ride. Then it takes time to clear the park before any equipment can come out. So it's more like 3 hours. The morning hour is really just 1 hour as the park just needs to be ready to open an hour earlier than usual.
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Except you still have to spend that hour clearing the park even without EMH. You still have to get everyone out of the park if it closes at 8pm, or if it's extended to 10pm. In fact, it probably takes less time to clear the park with EMH because there are less people to clear.
 
ULPO46

ULPO46

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HolleBolleGijs said:
Except you still have to spend that hour clearing the park even without EMH. You still have to get everyone out of the park if it closes at 8pm, or if it's extended to 10pm. In fact, it probably takes less time to clear the park with EMH because there are less people to clear.
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Theoretically you could clear the park out in less than 30 minutes if theres a special event that afternoon. Forget Park Lockdowns WDW and DL have those down to about 15 minutes.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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PhishinDisney said:
So no more extra magic hours and now I need to figure out what park I'm going to be in and where/what time I want lunch at 60 days in advanced. Seems really magical to me. The Howard Johnson express on 192 is looking more magical then this.
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You realize this is wild Internet speculation, right? And that you're perfectly free to not participate in FP+, right? And that FP+ has literally nothing to do with lunch, right?
 

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