No Brazilians but we have Argentines!

[rct247]

It's all teenagers in groups, alone they are very pleasant, but in groups they get rowdy and loud no matter where they are from. People get more upset about South American tour groups because the typical lack of chaperones, the limited English, and the cultural differences. They're annoying, but really they are not much different than a group of American cheerleaders like it or not.

They are here to have fun and have a lot of pride for their country.

 

[Ralphlaw]

I don't think nationality is irrelevant. Culture, in my experience, has a great deal to do with it. You don't hear these complaints about Asians, Australians, Mexicans, etc . . . One Brazilian bartender on the Fantasy that I spoke to about it said, basically, "Going to Disneyworld is everyone's dream as a class trip. We look forward to it thoughout our childhood, and hear crazy stories about what everyone did. We also like to party. Have you ever been to Carnivale in Rio?"

After I explained to her that I can't go to Brazil anymore (since that unfortunate international incident), she explained to me that going crazy at Disneyworld was somewhat allowed and expected. It think it's akin to grooms-to-be having a wild night bachelor party at a strip club. This good law-abiding faithful incipient husband and father goes crazy with a stripper, and it's all forgiven and swept under the rug. Hard-working young Brazilians go crazy on their class trips to Disney, and all is forgiven. "What happens at Disney, stays at Disney." Translate that into Portuguese and I think you'll have a national motto.

 

[PolynesianPrincess]

I don't think nationality is irrelevant. Culture, in my experience, has a great deal to do with it. You don't hear these complaints about Asians, Australians, Mexicans, etc . . . One Brazilian bartender on the Fantasy that I spoke to about it said, basically, "Going to Disneyworld is everyone's dream as a class trip. We look forward to it thoughout our childhood, and hear crazy stories about what everyone did. We also like to party. Have you ever been to Carnivale in Rio?"

After I explained to her that I can't go to Brazil anymore (since that unfortunate international incident), she explained to me that going crazy at Disneyworld was somewhat allowed and expected. It think it's akin to grooms-to-be having a wild night bachelor party at a strip club. This good law-abiding faithful incipient husband and father goes crazy with a stripper, and it's all forgiven and swept under the rug. Hard-working young Brazilians go crazy on their class trips to Disney, and all is forgiven. "What happens at Disney, stays at Disney." Translate that into Portuguese and I think you'll have a national motto.

^ THIS! These groups have been getting away with this behavior for so long, that it's expected they will behave this way and their chaperones let them. If Disney started being more strict with these groups, I would hope we would see the out-of-control rude behavior stop. Maybe it wouldn't stop completely but I'm sure some of it would subside. They don't seem to care though, as long as they are getting their money $$$......

 

[Ralphlaw]

That's right. When Mom, Dad, Aunt's & Uncles all get together and brag about their riotous trips to Orlando, it's basically expected, just like a raucous bachelor party is expected of so many. I agree, Disney should put the hammer down somehow. I stayed one night at Pop Century before a cruise, and the room was fine. What wasn't fine was the late night volume of the idiots yukking it up at the pool, keeping me awake. I'm sure anyone who has been victimized by the crazy groups are now a little more reluctant to book another Disney trip, just like I'm never going to stay at a value resort again.

 

[eddy21]

The Lithuanians will be here in May . Then you will beg for the Argentinian's to come back. Seriously I heard Disney makes a video for them to watch before they come over as a group. That shows proper behavior.

 

[FettFan]

See and I've had the opposite experience! My Aunt took one in as a student exchange and she was absolutely HORRIBLE. She was a total B word to my aunt, her house, and the rules! Couldn't have been more lazy when it came to pulling her own weight around the house. She turned my aunt off to the student exchange program forever.

I've never experienced them in groups, and I definitely don't take Helenas behavior as "This is how they are", knowing that's just not how it works...but it DOES make me super apprehensive of ever attending knowing the tourist groups will be there. LOL

The problem lies with the tour group directors/leaders who decide to corral the kids in a large herd. These are also the jerks that start them with the chants.

 

[AlwaysaDisney]

I went literally last week and I only saw one Argentinean Tour Group. Their qualities are so exaggerated, and they're so ridiculed on this forum it's not even funny. They should have an equal right to enjoy WDW too, even though they could be loud at some times

Okay, granted anyone is permitted and allowed to enjoy WDW, BUT, having worked there, I can only tell you the horror stories and the complaints and the miserable people. These kids in these groups are rude. VERY rude. This is coming from my experience as a cast member. Granted, all I could do was smile and wave, but did they aggravate me! If anyone is curious to know my horror stories, I will sure tell.

 

[WDWVolFan]

I went literally last week and I only saw one Argentinean Tour Group. Their qualities are so exaggerated, and they're so ridiculed on this forum it's not even funny. They should have an equal right to enjoy WDW too, even though they could be loud at some times

I'm Brazilian and we don't get along with them...so I'll refrain from saying anything but if you want to see a heated argument amongst Brazilians and Argentinians, throw a soccer ball in the middle...AND WATCH OUT! haha

 

[WDWVolFan]

We seem to demand political correctness, wherein any potentially offensive remark is condemned, but freely allow ill mannered slugs to reign free on our public parades. On a recent Disney cruise, I was waiting with my family on deck for the Pirate festivities to start, and some idiot woman nearby is dropping f bombs like a longshoreman. I confronted her, and she stopped, chagrined.

My critique of the "insufferable spoiled brats of the South American wealthy" lies more with the chaperones. Where are they? Are they powerless in the face of powerful parents? Are they clueless? In this age of easy video, why aren't the chaperones videoing this ill behavior and sending it off to the parents? If my kids were acting like ill-mannered berserkers, I'd expect the chaperones to step in (assuming I wasn't one of the chaperones already). And I think most kids would behave up if they knew they that chaperones were there recording any outrageous behavior. Come on, people. pull out the phone, threaten to record it, and most rampages will stop.

Yeah, these days it's an impolite invasion of parental prerogatives for another adult to step in and say, "Gee, Johnny, maybe you shouldn't be throwing rocks at other guests." Personally, I don't care. I call it when I see it when some kid is misbehaving, and most parents that see me do it applaud my efforts.

Unfortunately, I don't speak enough Brazilian, Spanish, or Latin American to do this at Disney. And I don't want to be the cause of yet another international incident. No, I really don't want to find myself back in a Rio prison. Once is enough. Okay, twice.

as a Brazilian who once was part of a tour group I can tell you that each group has 2 guides...they take you to the first few rides and then you are on your own in smaller groups.
Each large group has its own bus, and own section of the plane flying in so they become tight (we really did, that was cool) and so the guides start creating an environment of rivalry, chants start, and it becomes a competition amongst the groups.

And you are right, a lot of these kids are the richer kids and they get everything...I saw a girl in my group drop $1,000 on our first day out of 15 at a Disney store at DTD in stuffed animals...

It's encouraged and the fact that most of those kids are spoiled doesn't help either.

 

[WDWVolFan]

It's not that you are expected to act a fool at Disney...

Families in Brazil are a lot more compact than in the US in a geographical sense, you don't travel much to see relatives and HS kids don't have cars, only when you turn 18.
So those kids are traveling with their families mostly up until they are living on their own or make their own money.
Going to Disney is the first time they are away, really far away from their folks and because they pay A LOT of money ($5K sometimes) the tour guides and companies let A LOT slide...

 

[Cesar R M]

You can complain to WDW if you reserve your complaint spot 6 months in advance.

Will this require FP+ for speedy service?

The people that shove you onto the train? That's actually their job!

They employ Japanese train stewards in WDW now?

 

[AlwaysaDisney]

It's not that you are expected to act a fool at Disney...

Families in Brazil are a lot more compact than in the US in a geographical sense, you don't travel much to see relatives and HS kids don't have cars, only when you turn 18.
So those kids are traveling with their families mostly up until they are living on their own or make their own money.
Going to Disney is the first time they are away, really far away from their folks and because they pay A LOT of money ($5K sometimes) the tour guides and companies let A LOT slide...

I mean I can understand that. The excitement of going to this amazing place you have only dreamed about when you were a child. And I'm not trying to be offensive, I just have not had good experiences with some of the tour groups. So I'm a little hesitant when it comes to the massive tour groups. But, it is a public place, and everyone in the park has invested a lot of money into their trips for their families. Common courtesy is just what everyone wants and expects when they make a visit to WDW. When they see a large group of teenagers acting rudely, they get intimidated and mad, because of the lack of common courtesy. Now I'm not trying to say everyone in these large groups are like this, but there are other people trying to enjoy themselves at the parks and possibly on their first Disney vacation too.

 

[WDWVolFan]

I mean I can understand that. The excitement of going to this amazing place you have only dreamed about when you were a child. And I'm not trying to be offensive, I just have not had good experiences with some of the tour groups. So I'm a little hesitant when it comes to the massive tour groups. But, it is a public place, and everyone in the park has invested a lot of money into their trips for their families. Common courtesy is just what everyone wants and expects when they make a visit to WDW. When they see a large group of teenagers acting rudely, they get intimidated and mad, because of the lack of common courtesy. Now I'm not trying to say everyone in these large groups are like this, but there are other people trying to enjoy themselves at the parks and possibly on their first Disney vacation too.

Oh I hear ya...I will never go to Disney in July, unless it's free, because of my people. lol

 

[AlwaysaDisney]

Oh I hear ya...I will never go to Disney in July, unless it's free, because of my people. lol

Yes, the summer is definitely the worst time to go. I'm glad you understand completely Heed my warnings everyone!If you don't like the big tour groups, do not go in the summer! I have never seen such outrageous wait times in the queues than any other time! A 3+ hour wait for Space Mountain!

 

[LucyK]

Back in February I had to deal with the Argentinians 15s. Let's just say a few choice words were exchanged between me and their guide

As a Brazilian who never travels with tour groups, I want to say I'm sorry for the behavior of my peers. I totally understand where you come from when you talk about "those damn Brazilians". Tour groups are indeed obnoxious, loud and disruptive. I wish WDW would do something to amenize the situation, maybe having the tour groups split or denying entrance if more than a couple of complaints were filed.

Or providing all guests with their schedule so we could avoid them

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I've met some very nice tour groups and some horrible ones. Since I speak Spanish, I had the opportunity to converse with a group of Argentinians. They were about two years younger than me and very polite. They appreciated my help when they were trying to get into a photo booth that said "Temporarily out of Service".

"How do you know it's broken?" they asked.

"Because the sign says it's broken" I told them.

I've also had some horrible tour groups though. That same day a few girls tried to cut in line at Cyber Space Mountain, and an adult and I told them that they had to get at the end of the line. It all depends. Large groups of American teens can be annoying too. Like that one time we were stuck on a bus with a large group of cheerleaders. Who thought that breaking out into a cheer at 10 pm on the bus to the resort was acceptable.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I don't think nationality is irrelevant. Culture, in my experience, has a great deal to do with it.

It has to do with upbringing. I honestly don't think Asian parents would allow their children to behave that way. And as a teen, yes, my friends and I get together and believe that it gives us license to act absolutely ridiculous. But we reserve that for hanging out at our houses, not in public because my parents nor theirs would ever allow them to behave that way.

 

[Ralphlaw]

I agree that upbringing is a large part of it, but I also think that culture affects upbringing, and vice versa. Brazil seems to have a culture that is quite unlike many of the Asian, Middle Eastern and northern European rule-abiding cultures. Yeah, there are soccer mobs and other instances where groups from anywhere may go berserk, but for the most part certain nationalities would not at all be expected to do this.

Brazilians, sorry, the reputation is there, and now we're starting to get some explanation for it. Indeed:

1. It's been going on so long that it's expected.
2. The chaperones are very hands off.
3. It's often the overindulged brats who make the trip.

That seems to be the main contributors. Now, what do we do about it short of deploying advanced weaponry?

 

[LucyK]

I agree that upbringing is a large part of it, but I also think that culture affects upbringing, and vice versa. Brazil seems to have a culture that is quite unlike many of the Asian, Middle Eastern and northern European rule-abiding cultures. Yeah, there are soccer mobs and other instances where groups from anywhere may go berserk, but for the most part certain nationalities would not at all be expected to do this.

Brazilians, sorry, the reputation is there, and now we're starting to get some explanation for it. Indeed:

1. It's been going on so long that it's expected.
2. The chaperones are very hands off.
3. It's often the overindulged brats who make the trip.

That seems to be the main contributors. Now, what do we do about it short of deploying advanced weaponry?

I agree it's a cultural thing. Brazilians are boisterous and gregarious by nature but some use it as an excuse to act like a fool no matter where they are. Put that together with the pack mentality these teens/young adults get when left unsupervised and BTG crap happens.

And yes, the reputation is there, believe me, I know. I'm always terrified of responding to the fatidical "so, where are you from" question whenever I strike up a conversation with an American (CMs or guests) while we're queueing for an attraction or hanging around the park because I know what will they think when I say Brazil. I immediately follow up with "but I'm not with a tour group" just to make sure I'm not labeled as one of them. Some of the times not even that saves a conversation!

 

[thomas998]

But...but...they don't act like we do! The nerve of them having a good time. They must have brought a supply of sphincter relaxer with them. To bad we can't get any of that stuff locally.

I think the OP was upset because they were chanting in a different language (I assume that's what she/he meant by "chants incoherently")... Frankly I don't have a problem with the groups so long as they do start trying to jump lines... That's when I have a problem... But apparently they aren't doing that just daring to have fun and speak something besides English... The nerve of them.