No 20K for AK?

TP2000

Well-Known Member
As one of the few people here who has actually ridden the 20K ride at Tokyo DisneySea, multiple times, can I just say that the attraction is a bit over-hyped? It's a very unique ride system, the queue was beautifully themed and presented (as is everything in DisneySea), and my basic Japanese could barely keep up with the simple yet rather odd plot, but the story and overall show presented wasn't Disney's finest or most impressive. Aliens underwater? Wha?...

I think Tokyo's 20K ride is one of those things that Disney Geeks in Ohio who have never been to Japan think is some pinnacle of theme park design, but when you actually ride it a few times you realize it's not that big of a deal. No wonder I've never waited more than 15 minutes for it on Standby.

Journey To The Center Of The Earth next door, on the other hand, was a fabulous attraction that is truly an E+ Ticket experience. But even then, it's a rather short ride time with minimal thrills, and it would leave most average tourists from Ohio or England ranking it below Splash Mountain because it didn't have too many thrills and lacked any cute Disney Characters and peppy theme song.

I think folks who have never been to Japan put too much faith into the Mysterious Island portion of DisneySea, and they think too many problems would be solved if WDI could just build a second version stateside. :cool:

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MousDad

New Member
.....not to mention the rumors of other projects in the pipeline for WDW......but that is for next year I'd guess. :D

As long as the Studio, er, I mean the synergized team of TWDC Executive mandroids, doesn't cancel any more fabulous future film franchises.
 

Figment632

New Member
BK could happen... EE was in concept years before DAK and brought back, why not BK?

And for Figment, the yeti is a mythical animal known widely throughout Asia and the world.... the park lacked mythical animals and this filled some of that blank space. Plus the mountain is a huge natural landmark that fits perfectly with the whole nature aspect of the park. How doesn't it fit?

I didn't say it was a terrible fit just that it was a stretch. EE just seems like they built an ok coaster (I think SM and BTMR are far supieror) and they slapped a Yeti in to make it fit. Also they spent all this time on this Yeti the most advanced AA they ever built and it doesn't even work. I think they should have toned the AA down and either spent more money on making a better coaster or putting more AA's in. You see it for like 1 second all that money seems like a waste to me. They could have used a lesser AA and had multiple encopunters.
 

PhantomX

New Member
TP2000 I agree. That is why I said the MK version of 20k was a far better ride. The Tokyo version doesn't have anything to do with the Jules Verne novel nor does it tie in with the Disney movie (although it uses the theme song, has a squid cameo, and mentions Nemo). On top of that, the actual vehicles are somehwat uncomfortable because if you sit in the second row you won't be able to see half of the show scenes. Also unfortunalty most modern american's probably wouldnt fit inside the ride vehicles so if they were to clone the tokyo version it would need redesigned "subs"
 

IWant2GoNow

Well-Known Member
As one of the few people here who has actually ridden the 20K ride at Tokyo DisneySea, multiple times, can I just say that the attraction is a bit over-hyped? It's a very unique ride system, the queue was beautifully themed and presented (as is everything in DisneySea), and my basic Japanese could barely keep up with the simple yet rather odd plot, but the story and overall show presented wasn't Disney's finest or most impressive. Aliens underwater? Wha?...

I think Tokyo's 20K ride is one of those things that Disney Geeks in Ohio who have never been to Japan think is some pinnacle of theme park design, but when you actually ride it a few times you realize it's not that big of a deal. No wonder I've never waited more than 15 minutes for it on Standby.

Journey To The Center Of The Earth next door, on the other hand, was a fabulous attraction that is truly an E+ Ticket experience. But even then, it's a rather short ride time with minimal thrills, and it would leave most average tourists from Ohio or England ranking it below Splash Mountain because it didn't have too many thrills and lacked any cute Disney Characters and peppy theme song.

I think folks who have never been to Japan put too much faith into the Mysterious Island portion of DisneySea, and they think too many problems would be solved if WDI could just build a second version stateside. :cool:

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Watch it there, buddy! :fork:

:lol:

I'm not sure if it is people thinking Myserious Island would be the "fix" or if it's just people wanting new stuff where ever they think they can get it. I think some of the thought process goes... "People who have been there seem to love it. Looks great from all the pictures I've seen. Disney has already built it somewhere else so it must be easy and cheap to do. No reason they can't build one here." My mindset seems to stop at the 2nd sentence. I wish they would build something like TDS over here that was completely original in idea and theme. But who knows? :shrug:
 

MousDad

New Member
Watch it there, buddy! :fork:

:lol:

Don't mind TP's little West Coast jabs. He might be having a little bit of a hard time stomaching the fact that Ford is now building better cars that Toyota or Honda.

It's thrown the whole SoCal Code of Highway Lane Merging Vehicle Prioritization System (that's SCCHLMVPS for short) on its ear, so I hear.

[hey TP :wave:]
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Your just listing things approved by different people for different reasons
Let's try to take this one by one:

DCA is getting refurbished because they can't get people into the gates

John carter of Mars is being made by Pixar they would have made this film anyway with or without Disney. Same for Toy Story 3 and 1906.

You mention King of the elves and I bet you don't know anything about it. (I have actually read the book)

PaTF didn't look good \ from the 15 minutes I saw but I am curious to see the financial results especially with Avatar opening a few weeks after it and appealing to the full spectrum of cinema goers.

Prince of Persia was greenlit by ________ Cook and his team that were fired. So if your praising Prince of Persia wouldn't you be praising the team you just badmouthed by saying it is good that they got fired? Same for Wonderland and POTC 4. Also firing ________ Cook cost Iger alot of good will in the entertainment industry.

What is going on with DTD? Did I miss an announcement?

Hawaii DVC is a bad thing. Disney's core competencies are animation, film, theme parks,and entertainment. Not real estate.

Acquiring Marvel was probably the biggest mistake of Bob Iger's career. Quite frankly he overpaid and will not be able to leverage the charecters like he wants to. They have zero control of the charecters and won't be able to make films or theme park rides. They would have to give huge payoffs to Fox, NBC Universal and Sony in order to even get some control.

I am in agreement with the other folks here. You just take half truths and mix them together with your own theories and present it as fact and that is why people here say you have no credibility. Keep in mind I haven't even described the state of the parks nor did I mention the poor business philosophy for Disney Channel, the studio, etc.

Could you possibly have more misrepresentations, exaggeration, hyperbole, mischaracterizations, disinformation and outright propaganda all sprinkled liberally with lies all in one post?

No, no you couldn't.

Careful this place isn't kind to trolls. Even if they are the new troll that is the same as the old troll.
 

TURKEY

New Member
Could you possibly have more misrepresentations, exaggeration, hyperbole, mischaracterizations, disinformation and outright propaganda all sprinkled liberally with lies all in one post?

No, no you couldn't.

Careful this place isn't kind to trolls. Even if they are the new troll that is the same as the old troll.


You are the one that was talking about this "reformed" animation that might or might not turn out to be any good and how it was about to mean great things for live action films.


Then you start blathering about all the other divisions and what Iger's done.
 

PhantomX

New Member
Could you possibly have more misrepresentations, exaggeration, hyperbole, mischaracterizations, disinformation and outright propaganda all sprinkled liberally with lies all in one post?

No, no you couldn't.

Careful this place isn't kind to trolls. Even if they are the new troll that is the same as the old troll.

:eek: I hope this post is a joke.
 

VT GAL

Member
No Phantom...the poster is...

Jt, you give off the air of a troll more than anyone! You constantly pick 'fights' and turn threads into absolute craziness.

I don't necessarily disagree with your posts and opinion, but the way you post is laughable. Most of us here aren't Insiders and have our own ideas from our own 'research', but a good handful of us can respond and defend our pov without gradeschool name calling and inflamatory statements.

Please don't take this as a hateful post (not my intention), but maybe as a way to understand why you get the reaction that you get from some posters here from someone you have never really posted/replied to on the forum.

Just my 2 cents...back to lurking...
 

stitch2008

Member
Your just listing things approved by different people for different reasons
Let's try to take this one by one:

DCA is getting refurbished because they can't get people into the gates

John carter of Mars is being made by Pixar they would have made this film anyway with or without Disney. Same for Toy Story 3 and 1906.

You mention King of the elves and I bet you don't know anything about it. (I have actually read the book)

PaTF didn't look good \ from the 15 minutes I saw but I am curious to see the financial results especially with Avatar opening a few weeks after it and appealing to the full spectrum of cinema goers.

Prince of Persia was greenlit by ________ Cook and his team that were fired. So if your praising Prince of Persia wouldn't you be praising the team you just badmouthed by saying it is good that they got fired? Same for Wonderland and POTC 4. Also firing ________ Cook cost Iger alot of good will in the entertainment industry.

What is going on with DTD? Did I miss an announcement?

Hawaii DVC is a bad thing. Disney's core competencies are animation, film, theme parks,and entertainment. Not real estate.

Acquiring Marvel was probably the biggest mistake of Bob Iger's career. Quite frankly he overpaid and will not be able to leverage the charecters like he wants to. They have zero control of the charecters and won't be able to make films or theme park rides. They would have to give huge payoffs to Fox, NBC Universal and Sony in order to even get some control.

I am in agreement with the other folks here. You just take half truths and mix them together with your own theories and present it as fact and that is why people here say you have no credibility. Keep in mind I haven't even described the state of the parks nor did I mention the poor business philosophy for Disney Channel, the studio, etc.

1. True.

2. Not really true. In terms of John Carter, Pixar is serving as nothing more then a visual effects company. http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/20...f-mars-has-9-foot-martians-says-willem-dafoe/. Plus Disney could and was going to make Toy Story 3 without Pixar.

3. Not much is known about King of the Elves. It's still so far away. Rapunzel and Pooh are both in front of it.

4. I think PatF is going to be good. It for sure isn't the usual fairytale. It's very different. But I think it looks good as "modern" fairy tale Plus here is an early review. http://www.furyofthefilmfan.net/written/the-princess-and-the-frog-review.html And for the record, PatF will be blown out of the water by Avatar IMO.

5. Credit is given when credit is due. Cook deserves credit for the good choices he made. Pirates and National Treasure being two of them. But he also takes the blame for bad films. GForce, Beverly Hills Chi., and the Hanna Montana movie. I think he made good choices with Persia, Wonderland and Tron Legacy. But he has had more misses then hit. And when that happens, no matter what friends or connections you have, it's time to make a change.

6. No clue. I dont pretend to be a WDW insider. I just read what others have to say.

7. I think DVC Hawaii is a cool idea. I think with Joe Rohde behind it, its going to be good. DVC is just Disney trying to expand its markets. Just a business descion.

8. Iger had to have known that he would not have complete use of the Marvel characters when he made the purchase. So my guess is that Iger bought Marvel with the major intent of profiting off of the sales of Marvel comics and merchandise. And in fact, have the power to license merchandise. Again, a business decsion.

9. I'll agree the parks are not in the best of shape. I'll say the Walt Disney Studios have had back to back bad film years. While Bolt was good in my mind and Wall-E was amazing, there really was nothing else there that did that good. But there is hope for 2010. PatF(even though its Dec 09), Alice, Persia, Toy Story 3, Rapunzel, and Tron Legacy all have the chance to be good and profitable. I don't like what they did with Disney Channel and I don't watch it. But it got people watching the channel again. Again, I don't agree with the path the went down, but it worked. If I watched it more, I'd probably dislike it more then I do.;)

As long as the Studio, er, I mean the synergized team of TWDC Executive mandroids, doesn't cancel any more fabulous future film franchises.

If Captain Nemo is what you are refering to, I doubt it would have been fabulous. After seeing Terminator Salvation and seeing the writers that McG was bringing in, and seeing how slow the process was going, my faith in the movie faded quickly.

Btw. If we are going to go on about the studio, Cook and Rich Ross, then we should really discuss it in the film section. I am guilty of hijacking this thread and going off into company and studio matters. If we continue we shoud do it in the film section and allow this thread to get back to discussion about 20K the ride; if thats ok with all.:shrug:
 

WDWGoof07

Well-Known Member
Your just listing things approved by different people for different reasons
Let's try to take this one by one:

DCA is getting refurbished because they can't get people into the gates

John carter of Mars is being made by Pixar they would have made this film anyway with or without Disney. Same for Toy Story 3 and 1906.

You mention King of the elves and I bet you don't know anything about it. (I have actually read the book)

PaTF didn't look good \ from the 15 minutes I saw but I am curious to see the financial results especially with Avatar opening a few weeks after it and appealing to the full spectrum of cinema goers.

Prince of Persia was greenlit by ________ Cook and his team that were fired. So if your praising Prince of Persia wouldn't you be praising the team you just badmouthed by saying it is good that they got fired? Same for Wonderland and POTC 4. Also firing ________ Cook cost Iger alot of good will in the entertainment industry.

What is going on with DTD? Did I miss an announcement?

Hawaii DVC is a bad thing. Disney's core competencies are animation, film, theme parks,and entertainment. Not real estate.

Acquiring Marvel was probably the biggest mistake of Bob Iger's career. Quite frankly he overpaid and will not be able to leverage the charecters like he wants to. They have zero control of the charecters and won't be able to make films or theme park rides. They would have to give huge payoffs to Fox, NBC Universal and Sony in order to even get some control.

I am in agreement with the other folks here. You just take half truths and mix them together with your own theories and present it as fact and that is why people here say you have no credibility. Keep in mind I haven't even described the state of the parks nor did I mention the poor business philosophy for Disney Channel, the studio, etc.
What are you trying to say? It's all the same company, and Disney fans have plenty to be excited about in the coming years, judging from jt's laundry list.
 

PhantomX

New Member
2. Not really true. In terms of John Carter, Pixar is serving as nothing more then a visual effects company. http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/20/...-willem-dafoe/. Plus Disney could and was going to make Toy Story 3 without Pixar.

John Lasseter and Andrew Stanton acquired the rights to the film and Andrew Stanton (Pixar's no.2 and the director of Wall-E and Finding Nemo) is directing this film as his next movie. It was even supposed to fall under the Pixar banner but due to the violence Disney moved it under the touchstone label. It is still a pixar film though. It's the same group behind it.
 

MousDad

New Member
Btw. If we are going to go on about the studio, Cook and Rich Ross, then we should really discuss it in the film section. I am guilty of hijacking this thread and going off into company and studio matters. If we continue we shoud do it in the film section and allow this thread to get back to discussion about 20K the ride; if thats ok with all.:shrug:

Sorry, that's synergistically impossible.

:)ROFLOL:)
 

IWant2GoNow

Well-Known Member
'Cause it's pretty much been decided.
The mythical creature attractions will just be integrated into the park EE style.

I'm trying to think of what other mythical creatures would fit with the lands that they already have set up in DAK. Asia already has E:E. Dinoland U.S.A. doesn't have much in terms of "mythical creatures" in that timeframe. Discovery Island I guess could have something but is there any room? Camp Minnie Mickey focusses on woods so I guess a Bigfoot could go there, but it's been done with the Yeti already, and Africa all I can think of is a mummy, which has not only already been done but isn't really a mythical animal/creature. Maybe I'm not thinking it through well enough. I'm sure Disney could figure something out but I'm just drawing blanks at the moment. :shrug:

Guess there's always the route of just making up their own mythical creature. I always thought a Loch Ness monster attraction would be kinda cool.
 

IWant2GoNow

Well-Known Member
Hey, they could always do the Kracken....oh....wait....:lol:

Hahaha! Yea, start back at square one, huh? :)

I know you're limited on what you can say Lee, but how could they integrate any other creatures with the way DAK stands right now without adding a separate expansion land for them? Normally I'm pretty good with my armchair imagineering but I'm :brick:eek:n this one.
 

Lee

Adventurer
I know you're limited on what you can say Lee, but how could they integrate any other creatures with the way DAK stands right now without adding a separate expansion land for them?
I'm only limited by what I know in this case, which is very little.
Other than adding an African or American creature.....:shrug:
Most likely they will wait until the next expansion.
 

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