Nintendo partnering with Universal to make attractions.

[celluloid]

During the backwards portion you loop around and have a direct view of the painted facade before you circle around and enter it. This is a bigger deal than how it looks from the queue.


So they did all this but putting some decent rock work or something on the drop building was too much? Maybe some physical trees or branches jutting out of it along with some rockwork? It's not that hard and it wouldn't have added that much more to the project.

Remember everyone that Disney had a completely fully realized themed environment on a coaster with BTMRR back in 1980, but it's okay that Universal just painted the side of a building in 2019.

Yeah, but there's "this was scaled down from what was originally pitched" examples like 7DMT and then there's the more common scenario at Universal, where putting just a liiiiitttle bit more into a project would make it a fully realized and complete experience, but they just don't for... reasons.

You don't like that the show building for the indoor climax drop and launch is painted because it takes more imagnation. I get it. Funds are not infinite.

Big Thunder's focus is more on theme and Hagrid's is more focused on thrills. Big Thunder is my favorite non Dark Ride classic left. It does not make it a corners cut. It is a massive real estate thrill ride.
I would love for it to always be both, but on design you know there is typically various goals.
We can cite 1980 because we know Disney was at the top of their game with Baxter and generation there creatively with Card Walker exec tossing money into it. Followed by The Disney Decade.
Bu there is a reason you also have to go back there to point out Big Thunder to Hagrid's.
Disney has the issue of choosing too and often does not know where to spend it.
Tron's show building does not have much effort either. Dirty Canopy?
Frozen still has Maelstrom's black walls better lit. A lot of MMRR etc...
Choosing where budget goes and corners cut are not always the same.
With hagrids. It is not "just reasons." but a balance of safety and show. They painted the building to give it something. It cost money. You would other have it coated in fiberglass layers and or something against it. I get it. But safety one(I was frequently on the other side of that show building while it was built)

 

[Tom Morrow]

You mentioned safety - what would be unsafe about attaching some physical theming to the building? Just curious.

And yeah, it's true that Disney also has many rides with corners cut, like what you mentioned. I think the difference is that they also do have many that are like top to bottom complete experiences where there are no moments where you're like "they could have done more here". Universal has yet to create an attraction that is on that level.

 

[Disney Analyst]

So many instances of universal not going 100%. I like universal a lot, but it’s just a fact. You can already see it in the HTTYD land, where the theatre is.

 

[Tom Morrow]

^ Yep. Say what you want about Galaxy's Edge, but there isn't a single guest area in the entire huge land where you can see something you shouldn't. The only thing that comes close that I can think of is the entrance from Toy Story Land, and how it should have also been a tunnel. Still. I hate to say it but I fully expect Epic to be full of bad sightlines and backstage views. To be clear: I WANT it to be better than that, but Universal hasn't shown that they're ever willing to go 100%.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

^ Yep. Say what you want about Galaxy's Edge, but there isn't a single guest area in the entire huge land where you can see something you shouldn't. The only thing that comes close that I can think of is the entrance from Toy Story Land, and how it should have also been a tunnel. Still. I hate to say it but I fully expect Epic to be full of bad sightlines and backstage views. To be clear: I WANT it to be better than that, but Universal hasn't shown that they're ever willing to go 100%.

Unless they open that Smuggler’s Run extended queue

 

[celluloid]

You mentioned safety - what would be unsafe about attaching some physical theming to the building? Just curious.

You need a side where people can safely and quickly egress. The design plans called for a show building for the ambitious Devil's Snare scene in limited real estate.

For the record, this is the two seconds in reverse on ride view you were speaking of with the backdrop painted on the building. Video link here. After there is some proximity, there have been actual trees planted to cover the rest of the building facilities. So where they could, they did.

The show building can house multiple trains full of people that may have to egress at either level at any given time. There is access and egress safety required for in and out of the building if something should go seriously awry. There are OSHA and fire codes. This was a good idea and compromise. More is always better, but why this is a painted backdrop versus robbing the budget from elsewhere is a good delegation, not a corner cut.

On the other side of that show building, the access doors immediately hug a service road that runs behind.

 

[celluloid]

^ Yep. Say what you want about Galaxy's Edge, but there isn't a single guest area in the entire huge land where you can see something you shouldn't. The only thing that comes close that I can think of is the entrance from Toy Story Land, and how it should have also been a tunnel. Still. I hate to say it but I fully expect Epic to be full of bad sightlines and backstage views. To be clear: I WANT it to be better than that, but Universal hasn't shown that they're ever willing to go 100%.

Now that is just silly Hyperbole.
I imagine Universal could if they had double the resources and were in a position to only build attractions/one land of that caliber in a park every decade or so.


How is Diagon Alley, the prompting for Galaxy's Edge to go forward 100 percent not that?

 

[lazyboy97o]

You need a side where people can safely and quickly egress. The design plans called for a show building for the ambitious Devil's Snare scene in limited real estate.

For the record, this is the two seconds in reverse on ride view you were speaking of with the backdrop painted on the building. Video link here. After there is some proximity, there have been actual trees planted to cover the rest of the building facilities. So where they could, they did. View attachment 830543
The show building can house multiple trains full of people that may have to egress at either level at any given time. There is access and egress safety required for in and out of the building if something should go seriously awry. There are OSHA and fire codes. This was a good idea and compromise. More is always better, but why this is a painted backdrop versus robbing the budget from elsewhere is a good delegation, not a corner cut.

On the other side of that show building, the access doors immediately hug a service road that runs behind.

There is nothing about the building being a painted shed that is driven by code requirements. The required access to the building is the service road. Exits must terminate at a “public way” which means they want some proximity to that same access road. There are ways the walkway between the track and building could have been covered by scenic elements.

Hagrid’s Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure is not Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey. It wasn’t a scrappy little team with a pittance of a budget. It’s a $350 million attraction, one of the most expensive in the world and show elements were cut to stay in that big budget (the enclosed and themed spike was also cut and quickly excused). It’s overall a great experience but let’s not pretend that’s it’s not something it is not. People rightly criticize Disney for the same sort of cuts with the same sort of budgets. Universal Creative has quickly found itself plagued by many of the same issues as Walt Disney Imagineering but desperately try to pretend otherwise.

 

[celluloid]

There is nothing about the building being a painted shed that is driven by code requirements. The required access to the building is the service road. Exits must terminate at a “public way” which means they want some proximity to that same access road. There are ways the walkway between the track and building could have been covered by scenic elements.

Hagrid’s Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure is not Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey. It wasn’t a scrappy little team with a pittance of a budget. It’s a $350 million attraction, one of the most expensive in the world and show elements were cut to stay in that big budget (the enclosed and themed spike was also cut and quickly excused). It’s overall a great experience but let’s not pretend that’s it’s not something it is not. People rightly criticize Disney for the same sort of cuts with the same sort of budgets. Universal Creative has quickly found itself plagued by many of the same issues as Walt Disney Imagineering but desperately try to pretend otherwise.

The track path against the ride show building is too close to have any physical theming or trees on the insjde of the ride's area due to the needs of coaster profile and access. Further evident by just before that painted corner and after is physical theming trees along the track, including real trees hiding the rest of the building. No shortage of trees at Hagrids and if they could habe gotten away with them there they would have. I already said there is always a delegation of design and budget. Few rides will please everyone every second and we are industry wide in a thrill heavy trend. No pretending there necessary.

 

[Tom Morrow]

The track path against the ride show building is too close to have any physical theming or trees on the insjde of the ride's area due to the needs of coaster profile and access. Further evident by just before that painted corner and after is physical theming trees along the track, including real trees hiding the rest of the building. No shortage of trees at Hagrids and if they could habe gotten away with them there they would have. I already said there is always a delegation of design and budget. Few rides will please everyone every second and we are industry wide in a thrill heavy trend. No pretending there necessary.

I think you’re just making stuff up here man. If there’s a will, there’s a way.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Now that is just silly Hyperbole.
I imagine Universal could if they had double the resources and were in a position to only build attractions/one land of that caliber in a park every decade or so.


How is Diagon Alley, the prompting for Galaxy's Edge to go forward 100 percent not that?

Diagon is perhaps the one exception so far where they’ve gone all in, but Gringotts still has that heavily used outdoor queue where you can see the back of Kings Cross and some dumpsters and see utility trucks driving by.

(As far as I know the Smuggler’s Run extended queue is only used during peak).

 

[celluloid]

Diagon is perhaps the one exception so far where they’ve gone all in, but Gringotts still has that heavily used outdoor queue where you can see the back of Kings Cross and some dumpsters and see utility trucks driving by.

(As far as I know the Smuggler’s Run extended queue is only used during peak).

That extended queue for Diagon has not been used in a long time/not often.

 

[celluloid]

I think you’re just making stuff up here man. If there’s a will, there’s a way.

Your doubt in it does not bother me. I did not provide unprompted information
Earlier you asked me. If you want to believe there were a small row of trees less because they wanted to save money, yet still painted a mural between and started trees and theming again as soon as that track has a gap again.

You mentioned safety - what would be unsafe about attaching some physical theming to the building? Just curious.

And this was ended up a lie with closed mindedness from the get go when you state untruths and absolutes like

Universal hasn't shown that they're ever willing to go 100%.

Except for Diagon Alley. And you stated Galaxy's Edge has no incomplete rough area...and when It was pointed out except for an extended queue...
You attempted to say the same thing was inexcusable for Diagon to have.

 

[JT3000]

Diagon is perhaps the one exception so far where they’ve gone all in, but Gringotts still has that heavily used outdoor queue where you can see the back of Kings Cross and some dumpsters and see utility trucks driving by.

(As far as I know the Smuggler’s Run extended queue is only used during peak).

Heavily used? I've never seen them use Gringott's extended queue.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Your doubt in it does not bother me. I did not provide unprompted information
Earlier you asked me. If you want to believe there were a small row of trees less because they wanted to save money, yet still painted a mural between and started trees and theming again as soon as that track has a gap again.

We're not talking about trees between the drop track building and the ride track outside of it. The suggestion was to theme the drop track building with rockwork or physical theming instead of just a painting. This is absolutely 100% doable.

And this was ended up a lie with closed mindedness from the get go when you state untruths and absolutes like

Because your explanation makes no sense or you're misunderstanding what we mean when we say they could have done something other than paint trees on a flat wall.

Except for Diagon Alley. And you stated Galaxy's Edge has no incomplete rough area...and when It was pointed out except for an extended queue...
You attempted to say the same thing was inexcusable for Diagon to have.

Heavily used? I've never seen them use Gringott's extended queue.

Gringotts' outdoor queue is used almost daily as the interior queue can only hold about 30-45 minutes' worth. The Smuggler's Run extended queue is something only done on busiest days of the year.

And yes, Diagon Alley is the only time (before Epic) where Universal has gone all in and fully committed to the bit while Galaxy's Edge is just one of many examples from Disney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Your doubt in it does not bother me. I did not provide unprompted information
Earlier you asked me. If you want to believe there were a small row of trees less because they wanted to save money, yet still painted a mural between and started trees and theming again as soon as that track has a gap again.

You offered up safety as a reason then provided poor supposition, not actual specifics. Even now, you’re not describing the space accurately. There is a walkway between the building and the coaster track. The banking on the helix pushes the safety envelope away from the building, not towards it. Just that walkway itself is a space that could have had some scenic elements overhead.

Except for Diagon Alley. And you stated Galaxy's Edge has no incomplete rough area...and when It was pointed out except for an extended queue...
You attempted to say the same thing was inexcusable for Diagon to have.

Heavily used? I've never seen them use Gringott's extended queue.

There are plenty of lousy views from the exterior covered queue at Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts. You don’t have to get all the way to the extended queue to see those views. The covered queue is regularly used but even at slower times they’ll often send people down and back up, which means they’re getting the part where it’s easiest to see out to the backstage areas because you’re elevated.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

I honestly didn’t know that Gringotts even had an outdoor queue, but that’s because I would never wait beyond 30 minutes for it.

I do believe Battle for the Ministry has an outdoor queue too, right? But it looks pretty covered up.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I honestly didn’t know that Gringotts even had an outdoor queue, but that’s because I would never wait beyond 30 minutes for it.

I do believe Battle for the Ministry has an outdoor queue too, right? But it looks pretty covered up.

They use it even when the waits are low. They rarely send people right into the bank lobby.

Every Universal attraction has an outdoor queue. Even Mario Kart is able to send people to a back alley.

 

[celluloid]

Heavily used? I've never seen them use Gringott's extended queue.

Yes, if it is used much the wait is beyond 3-4 hours.

You offered up safety as a reason then provided poor supposition, not actual specifics. Even now, you’re not describing the space accurately. There is a walkway between the building and the coaster track. The banking on the helix pushes the safety envelope away...

Ride envelope is not the only coaster or area safety.

Again, ask yourself why they would stop for that one wall the ride goes by when trees and scenic are right before and after?
I was there constantly for installations and then comissionig. I don't care if you underatand it or not but you are not going to passively call me a liar.

 

[celluloid]

And yes, Diagon Alley is the only time (before Epic) where Universal has gone all in and fully committed to the bit while Galaxy's Edge is just one of many examples from Disney.

Many recent? Or only recent? We can cite The Djsney Decade and prior bht we know that is not reality anymore. Tastes and endeavors change.

I don't think Toy Story Land and Mickey and Minnie's really commit to the bit better than Hagrids and certainly not Diagon.

Galaxy's Edge was a direct committed greenlight due to Diagon Alley.

There are plenty of parts of IOA that were excellent and superior to many of Disney's more recent attempts.
All have areas and choices, but your never was quickly shut down and bias called out.