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MisterPenguin

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BrianLo

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erasure fan1 said:
I just figured, even though the reception was less than stellar, there would be enough people to get it in the top 10. Especially that early on at episode 3.
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It is also much lower than I expected and you can put me into the optimist camp.

I'm still very curious about this one, because it's now what I would define as a bubble series. With clear internal intent to continue the story, but not the viewership to support it.

It's definitely not a write down scenario, but a bubble. The renewal or non-renewal decision will help me further determine the viewership trigger point that Disney deems successful enough to drive renewals. Especially when they had "intended" to renew.

Series have been renewed with less, but they tend to be cheaper productions - or of more of a Emmy calibre. Based on what I roughly figured out in the Spring, I don't think 200's will lead to a renewal empirically.

BrianLo said:
I think we can determine some pretty good stats now from what Disney would consider successful streaming numbers with their weekly release strategy. Certainly in terms of the 'hour long' shows.

Shogun sets a nice floor. Clearly it has been considered successful and largely had 400-odd streaming minutes per week throughout the course of its reign, on average.

Ahsoka and Loki both had 500's generally. Percy Jackson was actually upper 500-600.

Then Mando is 800-1000. That's sort of your smash hit range to break into the top ten.

*Posting this also for me to refer back to*
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BrianLo said:
A couple more recent series worth commenting on. The Santa Clauses was around the 300's in its first season and was renewed. It seems to be more 200's in the second season and has not been renewed (nor cancelled). I think we could set 300 as the actual floor for a live action "Disney". I think the expectation on SW/Marvel is slightly higher. National Treasure appeared once so I think it was more 150-200's and was not really seen as a success and cancelled.

-The Bear I think was in the 400's, hard to say as it was a single wave release.
-Only Murders in the buildings 500's
-Goosebumps is weird, it largely doesn't appear and is suddenly 500's in the back half of the season? I guess it suddenly caught on. Anyways that was renewed.
-Secret Invasion is in the 400's. On the low end for Star Wars and Marvel, but it wasn't a total dud.
-Echo was a single wave release, so again hard to normalize. But I can only account for 150min per episode, so I think in the 2-3's. I think Echo would not be considered successful (unfortunately, I liked it!)
-What If episodes are shorter and was a single wave release, but it seemed to have done fine.

If I've not mentioned a series I didn't go back much beyond the Santa Clauses, or it didn't break into the top ten so likely is not much of a success. Or it’s not an hour-long such as xmen 97.
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erasure fan1

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BrianLo said:
I'm still very curious about this one, because it's now what I would define as a bubble series. With clear internal intent to continue the story, but not the viewership to support it.
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It was definitely made with two seasons in mind. It's a very odd situation for sure. Lucasfilm obviously wanted at least two or three seasons. Yet Disney didn't guarantee them second. So it's a bit surprising Disney would let them make such an open ended season. Because people hate a unfinished story that won't be finished. It's a good way to hurt your viewership for the next project.
BrianLo said:
It's definitely not a write down scenario, but a bubble. The renewal or non-renewal decision will help me further determine the viewership trigger point that Disney deems successful enough to drive renewals. Especially when they had "intended" to renew.
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Yea it's not a write off. Of course Disney really can't write off star wars since everything is canon. It will be interesting what they do with renewal. If I was Disney I'm greenlighting a 2nd season for sure. But the stipulation is it has to have a third the budget at most.
BrianLo said:
Series have been renewed with less, but they tend to be cheaper productions - or of more of a Emmy calibre. Based on what I roughly figured out in the Spring, I don't think 200's will lead to a renewal empirically.
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That's just it, it's star wars, and nearly 200mil budget. Nothing about this show can justify a second season unless that budget is a fraction of what it was. Like you say, low 200s isn't going to cut it. So unless we see a huge spike in viewership, it's not looking good.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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erasure fan1 said:
It was definitely made with two seasons in mind. It's a very odd situation for sure. Lucasfilm obviously wanted at least two or three seasons. Yet Disney didn't guarantee them second. So it's a bit surprising Disney would let them make such an open ended season. Because people hate a unfinished story that won't be finished. It's a good way to hurt your viewership for the next project.

Yea it's not a write off. Of course Disney really can't write off star wars since everything is canon. It will be interesting what they do with renewal. If I was Disney I'm greenlighting a 2nd season for sure. But the stipulation is it has to have a third the budget at most.

That's just it, it's star wars, and nearly 200mil budget. Nothing about this show can justify a second season unless that budget is a fraction of what it was. Like you say, low 200s isn't going to cut it. So unless we see a huge spike in viewership, it's not looking good.
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Maybe it will have a tail? Unlikely. We’ll see what the more liked episodes yields in the coming weeks. Particularly episode 5.

I’m calling the series pulse by D23, when we should be getting another roadmap. Though Star Wars has a bit of a history for Feloni series that maybe were too meagre, but eventually were continued until they were good.
 

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