New York, New York Land

_Scar

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It's pretty massive and self explanatory.

The time is present day.

My inspiration for it was the big beat sound of the 1930's mixed with the Tower like in Paris. I love the Hightower concept and architecture, so I figured I'd work here. I also got inspired by the fact that Enchanted had very little representation in the parks.

his new land is partially surrounded by the New York Hotel which is divded into 3 branches: The Muppet Wing, The Broadway Wing, and The Hightower Wing.

I'd love to see this implemented in either HKDL's second park or Shanghai. :xmas:

But, what do YOU think? :shrug:
 

ValentineMouse

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I'll throw some comments your way :)

First, I wonder if you've taken a look at the 'Big City USA' ideas & plans that were drawn up for Disneyland CA a few decades ago that would have gone behind Fantasyland, and later inspired the American Waterfront at Tokyo DisneySeas. Like yours, it connected to Fantasyland, and also contained a big Broadway theater. Their's also had an old fashioned, Coney Island style amusement park (which would later inspire the amusement park for Disney's America, and later DCA's Paradise Pier).

It's great that you've suggested Hong Kong or Shanghai for this land. As we don't know what Shanghai will look like, I'll run with this being planned for Hong Kong, where it would fit in well behind Fantasyland, possibly also connecting with Toy Story Land to stop it being a deadend. In this case, I wonder what should be done with the Golden Mickey's show, which is very Broadway styled, but located in Fantasyland.

First I'll say what I like;

Enchanted: The Enchanted attraction would work brilliantly as a transition between Fantasyland and the New York area (New York streets on one side of the showbuilding, Giselle's castle on the other, perhaps?). An Enchanted attraction would also be a good addition to the park.

Tower of Terror: A New York land is a great way of getting the Tower of Terror into a Magic Kingdom style park, so I really think this is a great idea. Losing the Twilight Zone theme is also wise, considering the source material probably isn't well known in Hong Kong or Shanghai.

New York Hotel: Another brilliant inclusion. It worked in Paris, and it will surely work in Hong Kong or Shanghai - selling one of the best aspects of America, the Big Apple. Having it in the park also allows for the 'sleep in the park' bit of magic, and it could even have it's own guest only entrance directly into the park, like at the Grand Californian.

Broadway Theatre: Definately! A big, grand show location, and the choice of Beauty and the Beast is a great choice. I imagine it to be on the scale and scope of Aladdin: A Musical Spectacular at DCA.

Now, my criticisms;

Spiderman: I'm one of those people who's rather skeptical about the inclusion of the Marvel characters in a Magic Kingdom style park. Hollywood Studios? California Adventure? Fair enough! But Magic Kingdom park... I'm not convinced. I think it *could* be pulled off, but I really think you'd need to go for a retro style Spiderman, kind of working him into the Golden Age of comic books. This could of course be expanded to the rest of the Marvel superheroes. I can definately imagine a small, 1930's style newstand on the street, but a multistorey comic book shop... not so much.

Muppets: Here, I'm not entirely convinced with the draw the Muppets would have in Hong Kong or Shanghai, and I'm not sure it's realistic that an entirely new Muppet 3D film would be greenlit, especially one that narrows down its 'clone-ability' to just New York. Personally, I wouldn't include this attraction, but I can understand why you have. I don't have my own answer to this figured out, but would MuppetVision 3D work here?

Ballroom Dinner Show: This I'm not sure about, because I'm not entirely convinced of the theme. I understand the need to a fine dining location, and definately think it's appropriate to the land, but, when there's already an Enchanted attraction, and the dining room itself isn't very unique (okay, the fight would be, but I still don't quite think it 'gels'), I think a different restaurant would be more effective.

New York Hotel: I complimented it before, but I'm coming back to it critically because I'm not convinced about the 'three wings' idea you included - Muppets, Broadway, and Hotel Hightower. WAIT! Scratch that, thinking about it I'm liking the idea. A Broadway wing is a great idea, and the Hightower wing is also a great way of fulfilling the fantasies of everyone who's actually wanted to sleep in the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. My only problem is the Muppet part. Theming each room to an individual Muppet would create a headache with all the people requesting the lone Kermit or Miss Piggy room, and the chaotic nature of a Muppet hotel doesn't really fit with the elegent nature of the other two wings. If this was built, it would no doubt be a deluxe resort in Disney's eyes (park views, private entrance), and for those resorts, Disney likes to make things classy to attract the richest guests, while saving the more chaotic hotel designs for economy resorts. Personally, I think another theme for the third wing would work much better.

The biggest problem I think is not with the location but with time period, as it contains a number of disparate elements - Hotel Hightower being in the 1930s, whilst Enchanted and the Muppets are contemporary, and Spiderman depends on which styling you go with (retro or modern). My personal choice would be to go with just a 1930s style New York, which I think would create a nostalgic magic that Disney thrives on, but I realise this would be hard to stick with when an Enchanted attraction should be included. My suggestion therefore, would be to do what they did with Frontierland in the Magic Kingdom and have a moving timeline as you go through the land. Have one side be modern (with Enchanted, Muppets perhaps and so on), have the other side be 1930's (with the Tower of Terror and the Broadway Theatre), and blend them together as you walk across the land. This stops the contradicting elements, but also allows everything to be included.

I like where you're going with it, and there's a bunch of cool things that could be included. A burst fire hydrant gushing water into the street, 'newsies' style newstands, puttering motorcars. The steam train could be elevated up like the elevated railways that thread through New York, adding some great kineticism. Shops and counter service food locations could be themed to automats, corner diners, pizza restaurants, cafeterias, delicatessens, --- even a laundromat!

There's a ride called 'Cops and Robbers' that was designed for the American Waterfront but never built that would fit great. It was a dueling wild mouse coaster, all built inside, with one track having police themed cars, and the other side having getaway cars, racing eachother through the busy streets of New York. Or how about including a gangster themed attraction, perhaps similar to the D*** Tracy's Crimestoppers ride that Disney developed. You could have a Speakeasy hidden somewhere in the land with jazz music and dining. Perhaps consider Disney's idea for a Coney Island style area? It could be a good transition into Toy Story Land at Hong Kong, and could work with some good period theming, and the inclusion of one of a kind classic fairground attractions. As a replacement for the Ballroom Dinner Show, could I suggest something like 'Dining in New York', a restaurant developed for Festival Disney (now the Disney Village) at Disneyland Paris. Imagine an indoor restaurant underneith a starlit sky, just like the Blue Bayou, but themed to be the rooftops of New York, with skyscrapers and the Statue of Liberty on the horizon; guests dining by candlelight next to the iconic rooftop watertowers of New York.

Oh! And one more thing, I'm not sure about the name 'New York New York Land'. It's overly complicated I think, and would just as effectively work as 'New York Land', or you could go with Disney's idea and use 'Big City USA', which I'm personally really fond of - I think it makes a nice parallel with Main Street USA. Save the 'New York New York' phrase for a shop or something similar!

Hope this is of some use to you!
 

Figment632

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Sounds great all of this would work well. The only thing I don't like is Spiderman. IMO I don't like the use of Marvel in an MK style park.
 

_Scar

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Well the area of the Hightower Hotel and the Hightower Restaurant are all "stuck in the 30's".

They look and seem abandoned to the naked eye, but up close they capture the spirit of the 30s in an odd and spooky way.

So, everything is present day.

Not sure about the Muppets popularity in Asia, so that's a great point

And Spiderman is popular, and I don't see why this wouldn't work. Why can't find a presence in a MK style park?

Oh, and the land was meant to be just New York. But if I put New York as the thread title I figured it might confuse people lol
 

Figment632

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Well the area of the Hightower Hotel and the Hightower Restaurant are all "stuck in the 30's".

They look and seem abandoned to the naked eye, but up close they capture the spirit of the 30s in an odd and spooky way.

So, everything is present day.

Not sure about the Muppets popularity in Asia, so that's a great point

And Spiderman is popular, and I don't see why this wouldn't work. Why can't find a presence in a MK style park?

Oh, and the land was meant to be just New York. But if I put New York as the thread title I figured it might confuse people lol

Don't get me wrong it would probaly work imo I don't want it in an MK park.
 

Figment632

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But... why? :lol:

I just don't want to see marvel in MK or Epcot, if they want to put them in DHS or a 5th gate, or a 3rd gate for DL that is fine with me. When I think of a MK style park I think of Disney characters not spider man. The classic Disney stlye park should be reserved for true Disney characters not something that was purchased just for the hell of it. Don't even get me started about Epcot if a single MArvel character is put anywhere in Epcot it will be the final nail in the coffin as far as I am considered.
 

_Scar

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I just don't want to see marvel in MK or Epcot, if they want to put them in DHS or a 5th gate, or a 3rd gate for DL that is fine with me. When I think of a MK style park I think of Disney characters not spider man. The classic Disney stlye park should be reserved for true Disney characters not something that was purchased just for the hell of it. Don't even get me started about Epcot if a single MArvel character is put anywhere in Epcot it will be the final nail in the coffin as far as I am considered.


Spiderman IS Disney.

I'm sure people were aprehensive about Toy Story coming in the parks and they fit fine.
 

_Scar

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That is different it was made specificly for Disney not just purchased.


What about Pixar Place? Pixar wasn't made for Disney... or Luxo Jr. AA in DHS

Or ABC or AIE in DHS. Or Muppets... or Star Wars....

They all fit Disney.

Spiderman could be a Disney character. He's a 100% hero.
 

Figment632

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What about Pixar Place? Pixar wasn't made for Disney... or Luxo Jr. AA in DHS

Or ABC or AIE in DHS. Or Muppets... or Star Wars....

They all fit Disney.

Spiderman could be a Disney character. He's a 100% hero.

None of that is in MK but in DHS where the theme of the park allows for it.
 

Figment632

New Member
Star Wars is almost in every Disneyland around the world and Muppets are in DCA.

I will give you Star Wars but Muppets aren't in a MK style park.

It would also be cool in your NY land to have an offshoot section as a tribute to the 64 Worlds Fair.
 

_Scar

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I will give you Star Wars but Muppets aren't in a MK style park.

It would also be cool in your NY land to have an offshoot section as a tribute to the 64 Worlds Fair.


But Muppets COULD be in a MK style park.

Also Indy is in DL and DLP

offshoot section?
 

_Scar

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Besides the "time issues" and that the area's just not "classic" enough to be in a MK park, it's actually fantastic. Good job!


Thank you :)

The time of the land is present. Like the other Tower of Terrors, this one is sort of stuck in time and the area shows remnants of the passed (like WDS' TOT opening)
 

FigmentJedi

Well-Known Member
Is it me or is this the first Armchair Imagineering take on those whole regional miniparks that Disney's apparently been considering?
Also, this is probably one of the few times I have to give you a thumbs up Scar.
 

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