New Train Station Sign

[ford91exploder]

With regard to your response to @ford91exploder , my hunch is there might be a little confusion surrounding his statement regarding Walt. My own interpretation of what he said was that (even though Walt had passed away in 1966), ford91exploder was actually referring to Walt's "legacy" of attention to detail in all his parks.

As you mentioned, the omission of the word, "The" in the new sign, may be no big deal in itself; yet to some people, they may feel it's important to preserve historical accuracy. This is not to say that things can't evolve and change over time, but I agree with him that the actual (full) name of the park should probably remain unchanged.

@MinnieM123 you are absolutely correct. What I'm talking about is Walt's ultimate legacy a way of doing business which emphasizes Quality, Customer Service and an obsession on getting the small details (like this sign) Right. This change is just one more capitulation to the 'sharp pencil boys' Walt warned about and who now manage the The Walt Disney Company.

Walt never wanted a museum but I suspect he would be appalled at the misuse of the 'blessing of size' and the glacial pace of attraction construction.

 

[ford91exploder]

Or.. You are misremembering where popcorn lights existed at the GF and are grossly exaggerating the condition of those at MK.

For the record the guest out buildings at the GF have never had popcorn lighting. Only parts of the main building, pool buildings, narcoossees, and the convention center. All of which still have their lighting. But you can keep passing along misinformation if you prefer.

Funny - guess everyone photoshopped in the popcorn lights in their family photos over the years on the GF which are now dark

 

[Goofyernmost]

The funny part is that some of you have your undies in a tighter wad than those who are upset about the sign. If it doesn't bother you then why the h--- don't you just roll on? Seriously? This is like on Facebook where I see people arguing about the dumbest crap possible. We get it, the sign doesn't bother you. What meaningless part of your existence is going to be affected even the slightest bit by some random group of atoms at some random location on the globe not liking the sign? Personally, I don't like it but it won't stop me from going. However, I can see why some people would take it that far as slowly, the small details that Disney was once famous for are now being put by the wayside. But it seems that some of you just want to argue with others for the pure sake of arguing. If you don't care about the sign, do you really think you're going to change their minds with your snarky comments and "get over it" attitude? For crying out loud...

Because, a discussion board with no discussion is without any real purpose. That goes for more then one thing, but, in this case, it is because it is people complaining strictly for the sake of complaining when no logical argument can be made other then I don't like it that way. Then go about stating Alternative Facts in defense of their own negative opinion. It is OK to like or not like something, it is not OK to fabricate justification for it and expect that no one will call them on it. Small details I can understand but unworthy small details I cannot. When there is no meaning for them other then to take up space, it is foolish to wage an imaginary battle over something that never had any significance to begin with. The old sign with what was improper grammar was changed. Then two sidelights on either side of it were removed and useful fact replaced it, instead of the elevation (useless info) and the make-believe population (reminiscent of the number of burgers McDonalds has sold). I cannot see where changing that can be anything, but, attention to detail. How can it not be. Replacing useless and false with a true statement.

 

[peter11435]

Funny - guess everyone photoshopped in the popcorn lights in their family photos over the years on the GF which are now dark

Show me. Find me a picture that shows popcorn lights and then a picture that shows them missing from that same location now.

 

[draybook]

Because, a discussion board with no discussion is without any real purpose. That goes for more then one thing, but, in this case, it is because it is people complaining strictly for the sake of complaining when no logical argument can be made other then I don't like it that way. Then go about stating Alternative Facts in defense of their own negative opinion. It is OK to like or not like something, it is not OK to fabricate justification for it and expect that no one will call them on it. Small details I can understand but unworthy small details I cannot. When there is no meaning for them other then to take up space, it is foolish to rage an imaginary battle over something that never had any significance to begin with. The old sign with what was improper grammar was changed. Then two sidelights on either side of it were removed and useful fact replaced it, instead of the elevation (useless info) and the make-believe population (reminiscent of the number of burgers McDonalds has sold). I cannot see where changing that can be anything, but, attention to detail. How can it not be. Replacing useless and false with a true statement.

Except that them(Disney) removing details from the sign IS something to complain about. Again, details are what Disney USED to be big on. If I'm not mistaken, DETAILS(and control) are why Rowling went with Universal. What might be considered small details to you doesn't carry over to someone else. I know it's crazy to think that 7.5 billion people don't think alike. Personally, I didn't care too much about the napkins becoming generic, but others did. That's cool. It's not going to ruin my day to read their complaints.

 

[NearTheEars]

Stopped visiting FL parks because of quality and service cuts this
Is just one more reason NOT to go back to the FL parks

Weren't you just there during the last rainy marathon week?

 

[The_Jobu]

Because, a discussion board with no discussion is without any real purpose. That goes for more then one thing, but, in this case, it is because it is people complaining strictly for the sake of complaining when no logical argument can be made other then I don't like it that way. Then go about stating Alternative Facts in defense of their own negative opinion. It is OK to like or not like something, it is not OK to fabricate justification for it and expect that no one will call them on it. Small details I can understand but unworthy small details I cannot. When there is no meaning for them other then to take up space, it is foolish to rage an imaginary battle over something that never had any significance to begin with. The old sign with what was improper grammar was changed. Then two sidelights on either side of it were removed and useful fact replaced it, instead of the elevation (useless info) and the make-believe population (reminiscent of the number of burgers McDonalds has sold). I cannot see where changing that can be anything, but, attention to detail. How can it not be. Replacing useless and false with a true statement.

It goes both ways. When someone says "I don't like the new sign because X,Y,Z", bumbling in saying "oh here we go! Everyone complaining about everything!", ignoring X,Y,Z (or dismissing it as it's not important to you) is just wasting everyone's time.

And then we get stuck in very meta conversations like this.

 

[NearTheEars]

It goes both ways. When someone says "I don't like the new sign because X,Y,Z", bumbling in saying "oh here we go! Everyone complaining about everything!", ignoring X,Y,Z (or dismissing it as it's not important to you) is just wasting everyone's time.

And then we get stuck in very meta conversations like this.

Agreed. I understand why folks don't like/don't understand why it was completely changed. Do I think it's rational to cancel a trip over it? No. But what other folks do with their vacation isn't up to me. If it was, I'd encourage people to diversify.

I still enjoy poking fun at these hyberolic statements sometimes, though.

 

[The_Jobu]

Agreed. I understand why folks don't like/don't understand why it was completely changed. Do I think it's rational to cancel a trip over it? No. But what other folks do with their vacation isn't up to me. If it was, I'd encourage people to diversify.

I still enjoy poking fun at these hyberolic statements sometimes, though.

Naturally, if you removed hyperbolic statements from WDWMagic, the whole place would collapse in on itself like an overwrought souffle.

 

[larryz]

Because, a discussion board with no discussion is without any real purpose. That goes for more then one thing, but, in this case, it is because it is people complaining strictly for the sake of complaining when no logical argument can be made other then I don't like it that way. Then go about stating Alternative Facts in defense of their own negative opinion. It is OK to like or not like something, it is not OK to fabricate justification for it and expect that no one will call them on it. Small details I can understand but unworthy small details I cannot. When there is no meaning for them other then to take up space, it is foolish to rage an imaginary battle over something that never had any significance to begin with. The old sign with what was improper grammar was changed. Then two sidelights on either side of it were removed and useful fact replaced it, instead of the elevation (useless info) and the make-believe population (reminiscent of the number of burgers McDonalds has sold). I cannot see where changing that can be anything, but, attention to detail. How can it not be. Replacing useless and false with a true statement.

Of course, there ARE boards around that brook no dissent from the party line, regardless of the accuracy of one's facts...as many here can attest. Personally, I prefer the light hand guiding this board.

 

[ford91exploder]

Weren't you just there during the last rainy marathon week?

Yes I was there for marathon with some friends, Did NOT buy admission media for the parks. They did I passed on paying Disney for a degraded park experience

 

[Goofyernmost]

Except that them(Disney) removing details from the sign IS something to complain about. Again, details are what Disney USED to be big on. If I'm not mistaken, DETAILS(and control) are why Rowling went with Universal. What might be considered small details to you doesn't carry over to someone else. I know it's crazy to think that 7.5 billion people don't think alike. Personally, I didn't care too much about the napkins becoming generic, but others did. That's cool. It's not going to ruin my day to read their complaints.

I agree about the details, but, they must be relevant, and useful detail, not just something that some thought up when they designed the sign. The sign is not part of the detail package that we should be looking at unless it is drastically out of theme or flat out improper. This one does not qualify as worthy of concern anymore then painting a wall a slightly different color would be. But, as I have said before, if some of you feel that being concerned about, not a small, but, a petty thing like this, please don't let me interfere with everyones enjoyment. Grip away!

 

[Goofyernmost]

It goes both ways. When someone says "I don't like the new sign because X,Y,Z", bumbling in saying "oh here we go! Everyone complaining about everything!", ignoring X,Y,Z (or dismissing it as it's not important to you) is just wasting everyone's time.

And then we get stuck in very meta conversations like this.

Sorry, it is just my belief that as thinking adults, there should be an internal system that is able to prioritize things. You are correct, complaining about someone complaining is not any better then picking apart every little thing that comes up, important or not. However, if there is no dissenting response than people start to think that if it doesn't bother me, I must be wrong in my thinking. In very, very many cases, especially on these boards all we see are Debbie Downer comments about how terrible things are. Many, many times it is just not true, it is their opinion based on sometimes very distorted memories or just personal taste, but, it is written like the end of the world is here.

If all people want is to be agreed with when it comes to their negative and oft times incorrect observations then they should start another board, perhaps entitled "wdwAwful.com" where all the Apocalypse conversation can go unchallenged.

 

[Otterhead]

If you don't care about the sign, do you really think you're going to change their minds with your snarky comments and "get over it" attitude? For crying out loud...

It seems to me that you're preaching and yelling at people louder than anyone else here.

 

[Otterhead]

The Welcome Show going bye-bye.

The Welcome Show isn't going away. They moved it to make more room for crowds.

If I'm not mistaken, DETAILS(and control) are why Rowling went with Universal.

You are mistaken. Disney simply passed on it when the option came up. It was a poor decision by poor leadership at the time.

 

[jakeman]

The Welcome Show isn't going away. They moved it to make more room for crowds.

Probably going to side a bit with the cynics on this one and say it is also an opportunity to allow the retail on Main Street to make a few more dollars prior to park opening.

You are mistaken. Disney simply passed on it when the option came up. It was a poor decision by poor leadership at the time.

I believe the prevailing theory is that there were discussions, but Disney felt that some of Rowlings demands (small shop sizes being the one most often cited) were untenable to theme park operation. Your latter statement remains the overriding opinion of the decision.

Also, have we reached the point in the forum life cycle that we can complain about the people complaining about the people complaining about the complainers? Or is that still too meta for the boards?

 

[Otterhead]

Probably going to side a bit with the cynics on this one and say it is also an opportunity to allow the retail on Main Street to make a few more dollars prior to park opening.

I'm sure that's also the case; I don't think it's cynical to say that it lets people buy coffee and do some shopping before rope drop. It's actually a nice bonus.

 

[21stamps]

The Welcome Show isn't going away. They moved it to make more room for crowds.


You are mistaken. Disney simply passed on it when the option came up. It was a poor decision by poor leadership at the time.

Personal opinion, but I actually think Harry Potter is a better fit for universal.
I think Star Wars will be bigger than anything we have ever seen and I'm almost frightened of the crowds that are going to descend there.

Probably going to side a bit with the cynics on this one and say it is also an opportunity to allow the retail on Main Street to make a few more dollars prior to park opening.
I believe the prevailing theory is that there were discussions, but Disney felt that some of Rowlings demands (small shop sizes being the one most often cited) were untenable to theme park operation. Your latter statement remains the overriding opinion of the decision.

Also, have we reached the point in the forum life cycle that we can complain about the people complaining about the people complaining about the complainers? Or is that still too meta for the boards?

I don't totally disagree about the welcome show and having the stores open, but whenever I read something like this I just wonder why do we really care. To me it's a win-win situation and if somebody doesn't want to spend money then they don't have to, but if someone else wants a a coffee, or get their shopping done before the park opens, that option is there as well.

As for the new sign I think it's a clean simple look. To me it looks more authentic and appropriate.

 

[21stamps]

I'm sure that's also the case; I don't think it's cynical to say that it lets people buy coffee and do some shopping before rope drop. It's actually a nice bonus.

I think in that welcome show thread I used Starbucks on Black Friday as an example. Yes Starbucks opens at midnight or 2 AM depending on the location, they do it because they know there's an opportunity there to make money. So yes they are getting my money but I for one am happy that they choose to do that..i'm very willing to pay Starbucks for a latte while I am out driving around. No downside

 

[NearTheEars]

I think in that welcome show thread I used Starbucks on Black Friday as an example. Yes Starbucks opens at midnight or 2 AM depending on the location, they do it because they know there's an opportunity there to make money. So yes they are getting my money but I for one am happy that they choose to do that..i'm very willing to pay Starbucks for a latte while I am out driving around. No downside

But Walt!