New Seven Seas Lagoon Resort

[lazyboy97o]

Newness helps anything. When buildings get older, their merits become clearer.

Yes, the timeless beauty of a stucco box with repeated punched openings.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

To briefly touch on the Mediterranean Resort again - Here's several maps from the 1991 proposal- this one made it pretty far through the permitting process and included a monorail station:

Images are from the documents in this SFWMD Filing:
http://my.sfwmd.gov/ePermitting/SearchPermit.do?issuingAgency=SFWMD&applicationNo=901010-8

That was around the time they abandoned near all monorail plans...realizing it was a longterm loss

Have you actually been to Grand Destino?

I’ve been too several JW Marriotts and a bunch of holiday inns...does that count?

I like this thread. Even if it's ultimately all just speculation I love the idea of the hotels that never were along SSL possibly making a comeback in some form or another. I feel like at least one more resort wouldn't clutter the MK area too much. I think MK deserves another option for people looking to stay right next to the magic.

As an aside, I remember hearing a rumor (and it could be complete made up BS, but never hurts to talk about I suppose) that there is a concept for a boutique Mickey Mouse hotel that would be very garish and cartoony in it's interior and exterior design (example - door handles are Mickey's white gloves, etc, something almost Toon Townish) Any mustard on this cheese sandwich?

Love you all

The option would be a new DVC. There is no proven need for anything else in Florida.

Even nice people can leave cryptic clues. (6)

or make it their m.o.

If love a Persian/middle eastern themed resort. That architecture is some of the oldest and imo, most beautiful in the world

It would go over like a lead balloon. The price would be high and they would rock half the occupancy of the poly and contemporary. How do I know?

There’s an example already in Florida where the internal data told the tale of non-“western” theme. The conclusions were undeniable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but they haven't built anything on the plot of land originally slated to hold the Venetian resort (between the Contemporary and the Transportation and Ticket Center). The reason pretty much rules out anything here in the near future... the ground is unsuitable for building any kind of large structure here. That seems to be the only substantial room left on the Seven Seas Lagoon, unless they can fit something on that narrow piece of land immediately north of the Grand Floridian.

I was gonna mention that...

They can sure up that ground for sure...the bay lake tower plot wasn’t great either. But why do that?

There simply is not enough demand for this. They will pick their spots on DVC much more closely. Makes way more sense at fort wilderness...and Caribbean (except putting that high priced stuff there is a joke) and on the existing plots near the poly and grand.

This doesn’t make sense from an economics standpoint

And they’re trying to reduce crowds...right...don’t forget that flaming poo in a bag excuse

Yes, the timeless beauty of a stucco box with repeated punched openings.

You mean like Vegas?

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Yes, the timeless beauty of a stucco box with repeated punched openings.

At least it looks better than the new UNI towers!

I was gonna mention that...

They can sure up that ground for sure...the bay lake tower plot wasn’t great either. But why do that?

There simply is not enough demand for this. They will pick their spots on DVC much more closely. Makes way more sense at fort wilderness...and Caribbean (except putting that high priced stuff there is a joke) and on the existing plots near the poly and grand.

This doesn’t make sense from an economics standpoint

And they’re trying to reduce crowds...right...don’t forget that flaming poo in a bag excuse

You mean like Vegas?

If Disney didn’t have to pay down the Fox debt or stock buybacks, they should return to more affordable pricing for the resorts across the board. I’d stay at a monorail resort if it was $250-300/night.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

At least it looks better than the new UNI towers!

If Disney didn’t have to pay down the Fox debt or stock buybacks, they should return to more affordable pricing for the resorts across the board. I’d stay at a monorail resort if it was $250-300/night.

Lol...I love you’re idealism.

That’s what they charge for port orleans. And will pop century in 2 years or less.

They don’t want “that kind” in “that neighborhood”

Pay more or be left behind

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Lol...I love you’re idealism.

That’s what they charge for port orleans. And will pop century in 2 years or less.

They don’t want “that kind” in “that neighborhood”

Pay more or be left behind

They want white trash with money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They want white trash with money.

Well...not to be blunt but that has been their core for along time...especially Florida.

What gets me about the “luxury” nonsense - in fact somebody did it today - is that it’s not their clientele.

There’s an apologist myth (just excuses for price increases because they don’t want to outwardly support the problem) that your average “Disney joe”
Says: “hmmm...should we go out to our place on the vineyard this weekend, or go play shinnecock in the hamptons? ...or take JetBlue down to buy a $600 contemporary room and wait on the curb on Main Street for 2 hours before the fireworks?”

It’s laughable. Wdw is not a “luxury” destination. It’s character buffets and chicken fingers. Their clientele has always been “rough around the edges” new money and hard working middle class.

They’ve declared war on one group...the other’s day is coming

 

[matt9112]

No, it’s always been there. Although it used to be dirt and now it’s finally paved. It’s where managers, executives, and salaried cast for Magic Kingdom park their cars.

where do regular employees park?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Early days. Sink or swim would be appropriate.

A floating resort it is.

 

[Hcalvert]

At least it looks better than the new UNI towers!

If Disney didn’t have to pay down the Fox debt or stock buybacks, they should return to more affordable pricing for the resorts across the board. I’d stay at a monorail resort if it was $250-300/night.

We're staying at WL-Copper Creek for 8 nights and BLT for 6 nights for about $275/night in June 2020--a total of $3840 for 14 nights. Of course, we rented points. I am not too thrilled about BLT, but couldn't afford Poly's points and the person I rented from only had 150 CC points available.

 

[lazyboy97o]

At least it looks better than the new UNI towers!

Yeah, those are particularly atrocious but at least are not pretending to be deluxe or business class design. Although these conventioneers are a bunch with a seemingly odd mix of demands, so they may love that raw tilt-up aesthetic.

 

[SpectroBro]

where do regular employees park?

In the west clock parking lot next to Disney University and holiday services

 

[montyz81]

Funnily enough, there were two versions proposed of the Mediterranean Resort. One had a station, one didn’t.

So where would it go? On the unbuildable land with the Monorail to castle sightline?

 

[Monorail_Red_77]

What I've heard from enough sources who are not bus drivers or boat drivers is a resort to compete with Four Seasons, as they've lost too much of their ultra luxury market share by allowing them to build on property.

Yea, They probably should not have sold them that property.

 

[deeevo]

We're staying at WL-Copper Creek for 8 nights and BLT for 6 nights for about $275/night in June 2020--a total of $3840 for 14 nights. Of course, we rented points. I am not too thrilled about BLT, but couldn't afford Poly's points and the person I rented from only had 150 CC points available.

Renting points is the way to go.

 

[Andrew M]

Renting points is the way to go.

It really is. We have been looking into/on the fence about DVC for a while after renting a few times, but between the yearly dues and limited availability at non-home resorts, we decided to stick to renting points. You get the benefits of a great price with no long term commitment.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It really is. We have been looking into/on the fence about DVC for a while after renting a few times, but between the yearly dues and limited availability at non-home resorts, we decided to stick to renting points. You get the benefits of a great price with no long term commitment.

...depends on how often you go and how low the resells go during a recession

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Renting points is the way to go.

Not if you bought it when it was an actual good deal

 

[Andrew M]

...depends on how often you go and how low the resells go during a recession

That's true, nice work! If I was able to get the benefits with some of those low resales like you could awhile ago, I'd do that in a second. Getting access to the Gold AP and paying under $100/pt would definitely tip the scales in the right direction. But between no resale benefits and having to buy 5 R/T flights from NY each time we would go, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's true, nice work! If I was able to get the benefits with some of those low resales like you could awhile ago, I'd do that in a second. Getting access to the Gold AP and paying under $100/pt would definitely tip the scales in the right direction. But between no resale benefits and having to buy 5 R/T flights from NY each time we would go, it doesn't make sense.

Truth be told...I bought it direct when it was $73 a point.

But I would consider a dump resell now. But it isn’t a buyers market currently.