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[G00fyDad]

Holy crap. A mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando last night and I knew there would be discussions on the forums about it. However, I did not know it was going to devolve into page after page after page after page after page of people screaming back and forth at each other about gun rights. Of course, I should have expected it. This shooting last night had nothing to do with gun rights. It was simply some moron that open fire in a nightclub for whatever useless personal or religious reason. You can try to regulate guns all you want. Somebody like that is still going to get a firearm. They are still going to do what they want to do. No I don't think the average citizen needs an assault rifle, and if they were allowed to have something like that legally it still wouldn't have stopped what happened last night. The plain and simple fact of the matter is the average law-abiding citizen that owns a gun wouldn't have had one in the nightclub to begin with to be able to defend anyone. What happened last night was a tragic event. It has nothing to do with second amendment rights and whether you approve of people having firearms or if you are against it. Can everyone just try to remember the 50 people that died last night and stop worrying about what side of the fence you fall on with gun control?

 

[photomatt]

Matt, I understand your argument but I think one most people say weapon of mass destruction they're thinking a bomb, possible nuclear.

OK. I see your point.
What should we call assault rifles then? What should we call armor-piercing ammunition that is privately owned? I will use whatever terminology you want.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I will use whatever terminology you want.

How about legal firearms owned by law abiding citizens.

 

[Nubs70]

Well, if it's chlorinated, you can add ammonia and... OH GOD I'M GIVING THE TERRORISTS IDEAS!

You get a very dilute solution of monochloramine, a low grade biocide. It's what I do for a living.

 

[photomatt]

I think you are judgemental.

OK.

As a society are we not supposed to have moved past judging others beliefs and lifestyles?

As a society are we not supposed to act in what is in everyone's best interest?

 

[Andrew C]

Honestly, have at it.

All I'll say as an Australian now living in Germany, by now the rest of the world looks at the endless parade of mass shootings in the US as the bargain Americans seem content to make due to their idiosyncratic love affair with guns. It doesn't make sense looking from the outside, but so be it.

As someone living in Germany, you should understand why guns are a part of our society. it was Hitler who took guns from all people prior to rounding up the Jewish people. Prior to killing millions and causing world war 2.

 

[photomatt]

How about legal firearms owned by law abiding citizens.

Should assault rifles be legal? If so, why?

 

[Hakunamatata]

As a society are we not supposed to act in what is in everyone's best interest?

If everyone had the same best interest that would be possible.

 

[Matt_Black]

Holy crap. A mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando last night and I knew there would be discussions on the forums about it. However, I did not know it was going to devolve into page after page after page after page after page of people screaming back and forth at each other about gun rights. Of course, I should have expected it.

What screaming? Things have been relatively civil.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Should assault rifles be legal? If so, why?

Because they are. Should rice cookers be legal?

 

[photomatt]

I did not know it was going to devolve into page after page after page after page after page of people screaming back and forth at each other about gun rights.

Nobody is screaming at each other.

 

[Hakunamatata]

What screaming? Things have been relatively civil.

I will agree with this statement. The mods are probably sitting back going "What is up with these people?"

 

[photomatt]

Because they are.

Why are they legal?

Should rice cookers be legal?

Yes, because their primary purpose is to cook rice.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

As someone living in Germany, you should understand why guns are a part of our society. it was Hitler who took guns from all people prior to rounding up the Jewish people. Prior to killing millions and causing world war 2.

Oh boy, you've swallowed that argument that the Holocaust was caused by gun control?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Yes, because their primary purpose is to cook rice.

And a guns primary purpose is to hurl a projectile. The purpose of murder comes from the person holding the gun.

 

[Andrew C]

Oh boy, you've swallowed that argument that the Holocaust was caused by gun control?

are you denying hitler did this?

 

[TeriofTerror]

It’s not just bad ideas and angry men that lead to these obscene death tolls. It’s that the ill heads with these twisted ideas can so easily access a means of lethality uncommon in the civilized world. We are an aggrieved, worked up, angry people. But an American who is aggrieved or enraged or unmoored is more deadly that an Englishman or an Australian not because of the extremes of our discourse, or the extent of our aggrievement. The bad idea that people are most dying from is not an ant- LGBT idea or an anti-cop idea or anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-American. It’s anti–gun control. That’s the deadliest idea of all.

 

[photomatt]

Target practice.
Competition shooting.
Hunting/managing invasive species.

Which one of the above can not be done using a normal rifle or handgun?

 

[photomatt]

And a guns primary purpose is to hurl a projectile.

True. Don't you think we need to address the issue of how large, how fast, and how many of those projectiles can be hurled within a certain amount of time?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Which one of the above can not be done using a normal rifle or handgun?

They all can. But who are you to judge what kind of firearms someone uses.

For the last one, it would be virtually impossible to try to take care of a couple hundred feral hogs or a group of coyotes effectively with a single shot rifle.