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[photomatt]

You are right. My bad. I've forgotten how effective all the drug and DWI legislation has been. We hardly ever see those tragedies anymore.

You are claiming that we should not have laws because people break them. This is nonsense. We know that people will break laws; however, it is a fact that some laws do have a positive effect on the issue.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/812231.pdf

You will see that in the chart on page 2 that the number of deaths and fatality rate has decreased year by year. In fact, MADD claims that the number of alcohol related deaths has decreased by half since they were founded in 1980.

http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/drunk-driving-statistics.html

You also bring up drug laws and the drug issue. You have a valid point, but that is a different issue. Those laws criminalize addiction. We need to treat addiction, not criminalize it.

With alcohol, we allow its consumption (if you are over 21). We criminalize drunk driving because that is an avoidable action. Drug laws and DUI laws are separate issues.

 

[RSoxNo1]

A part of the issue is perspective.

His actions may seem and be rooted in mental instability from a Western Judeo Christian perspective. However, from a Salafist perspective, his action are absolutely rational and lauded. How is it that an Imam in Orlando can state that gays need to be killed "out of compassion" and not be condemned?

People hide behind religious beliefs and assume that's an acceptable defense. If a "religion" supports the killing of innocent people they are not a religion. If a "religion" supports oppressing a particular group or gender, they are not a religion. At that point the "religion" should be classified as a cult.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

i would rather question if we need current society? it is nothing short of laughable.

Hmm, and he has an ak47...

 

[RSoxNo1]

Statistics have a liberal bias.

It's only because conservatives can't do math (he says jokingly as a pseudo Republican accountant).

 

[photomatt]

There is a sick ideology that will always find ways to kill westerners no matter what guns laws are in place. London, Paris, Brussels, San Bernadino, Orlando.

This is true, but as I said before, if we prevent access to the tools that inflict the most casualties, the number of people murdered will decrease.

 

[BrerJon]

you know cars will kill more people today than this shooter right?

We make choices in life based on weighing up dangers. Sure people die in auto accidents, in place crashes, from knife wounds and from smoking, but on balance our society deems the benefit of cars, planes or knifes to outweigh that.

When it comes to guns, is the benefit to our daily lives from being able to buy an assault weapon in Wal-Mart so much better that it's worth hundreds of deaths, and living in fear of being shot? That's the question America has to ask itself.

 

[RSoxNo1]

you know cars will kill more people today than this shooter right?

Yes, but not as efficiently.

 

[Andrew C]

This is true, but as I said before, if we prevent access to the tools that inflict the most casualties, the number of people murdered will decrease.

Radical Islam is at war with us. But instead of being at war with them, we want to be at war with the tools they use to commit their acts.

 

[Andrew C]

When it comes to guns, is the benefit to our daily lives from being able to buy an assault weapon in Wal-Mart so much better that it's worth hundreds of deaths, and living in fear of being shot? That's the question America has to ask itself.

That's a false choice America should never ask herself.

 

[matt9112]

Hmm, and he has an ak47...

your point? i love this country and all of its flaws more than you know.....this kind of talk is what is so low.

 

[Hakunamatata]

With alcohol, we allow its consumption (if you are over 21). We criminalize drunk driving because that is an avoidable action. Drug laws and DUI laws are separate issues.

With guns, we allow their use (if you are of legal age). We criminalize shooting people because that is an avoidable action.

See. I think the same thing makes sense about guns.

 

[photomatt]

What about bombing a subway. Or an airport.

Terrorists always find a way.

This is true, but it is not a reason to allow private citizens to own weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Andrew C]

This is true, but it is not a reason to allow private citizens to own weapons of mass destruction.

Not buying into your definition of what a weapon of mass destruction is. That's just a scare tactic.

 

[matt9112]

With guns, we allow their use (if you are of legal age). We criminalize shooting people because that is an avoidable action.

See. I think the same thing makes sense about guns.

truth. people are scared of what they dont understand.

 

[photomatt]

Like cars, boats, planes, power tools, kitchen appliances, swimming pools, office supplies, bricks, water, rope, bare hands? People injured by those weapons?

Please explain to me how you anyone can use a swimming pool as a weapon. Please explain to me how 50 people could be murdered, and over 50 more injured, when someone uses their bare hands.

 

[photomatt]

It would take us back to the Stone Age but then we would be murdered by rocks? What do we do with all the rocks?

 

[matt9112]

Please explain to me how you anyone can use a swimming pool as a weapon. Please explain to me how 50 people could be murdered, and over 50 more injured, when someone uses their bare hands.

knife attacks have racked up in the 100s.....china i believe. bunch of school children IIRC you simply find no need for guns so thats all you bring to the table....you appear to admit a ban wont stop terrorist but you still are just really whiney about people owning them.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Please explain to me how 50 people could be murdered, and over 50 more injured, when someone uses their bare hands.

A pool full of kids with a terrorist dropping a live high voltage line in it.

As far as bare hands, you obviously don't know who Chuck Norris is.

 

[BrerJon]

If you're a normal person with a normal job in a normal town, and you need to own a weapon with no purpose other than killing people in the 21st century, then you're doing being a human being wrong.

 

[Matt_Black]

Please explain to me how you anyone can use a swimming pool as a weapon. Please explain to me how 50 people could be murdered, and over 50 more injured, when someone uses their bare hands.

Well, if it's chlorinated, you can add ammonia and... OH GOD I'M GIVING THE TERRORISTS IDEAS!