News New Polynesian Resort DVC villas building to open 2024

DonaldDoleWhip

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Don't use me as an example please. I really just don't care about one specific resort in this case to bother to look. It's theming is not for me is all. Nothing against it otherwise. The grounds are nice and food options are good. I enjoy being able to walk between the two resorts. Just none of us are pressed too much to stay there.
Not really sure how you openly sharing how you don’t care for the resort, aren’t bothered by the stylistic difference between a detailed effort and lack thereof, and will be staying there anyway isn’t an example of the trend I’m noting.
 

Bocabear

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When the Tahiti airport hotel has more Polynesian flair than Disney's Polynesian resort, there is a problem
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correcaminos

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Not really sure how you openly sharing how you don’t care for the resort, aren’t bothered by the stylistic difference between a detailed effort and lack thereof, and will be staying there anyway isn’t an example of the trend I’m noting.
Not sure what you're getting at? I don't look at VGF nor do I really care about it. I can see what you mean by the boxiness of the DVC but prior to the pic I wouldn't even have been looking that way much. So using me as an example for the average is a bad idea. I am staying there simply to have my guys tick it off as a resort to stay in for DVC. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you ask me about most other resorts I'd have more to say as I am rather picky about how things are done. I just dislike the overall look of the sightlines there during the day and don't have opinions other than it isn't for me.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Not sure what you're getting at? I don't look at VGF nor do I really care about it. I can see what you mean by the boxiness of the DVC but prior to the pic I wouldn't even have been looking that way much. So using me as an example for the average is a bad idea. I am staying there simply to have my guys tick it off as a resort to stay in for DVC. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you ask me about most other resorts I'd have more to say as I am rather picky about how things are done.
My point is pretty much what I’m implying: the GF DVC has been a resounding success (and I can admit quite lovely on the inside), even though its location could have been picked with much greater care and the building could have contained the right exterior flourishes and scale to blend with the existing resort.

Those things don’t matter - it all sold anyway and warrants an expansion (I wish they’d done building retrofits from the start!).

At this stage, Disney’s aware they can do no wrong, and anything they build on the monorail route (or skyliner, or Epcot area, etc.) will be popular. So they’re not paying nearly the same attention to those exterior details, and it doesn’t matter.

Views around property are uglier than ever, and the parks and resorts are filling up.

Not specific to you (I’m part of the problem too - even stayed at ‘regular’ GF last year), and nothing we can do to reverse the trend as long as someone else is ready and willing to fill the inventory.
 

correcaminos

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When the Tahiti airport hotel has more Polynesian flair than Disney's Polynesian resort, there is a problem
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Um. No. Because that's in Tahiti. Literally where they are getting possible themes from. So I'd expect better at the original

Maybe it's me but one drawing is not enough to judge yet. People tend to get worked up too quick over a rendering. Real life often has subtle differences the drawings miss. I remember issues with the RR drawing where people assumed balconies wouldn't exist. Wait until they do something stupid like adding in Pocahontas to the lobby before getting worked up. Then they'll find a sinkhole and shut it down.
 

correcaminos

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My point is pretty much what I’m implying: the GF DVC has been a resounding success (and I can admit quite lovely on the outside), even though its location could have been picked with much greater care and the building could have contained the right exterior flourishes and scale to blend with the existing resort.

Those things don’t matter - it all sold anyway and warrants an expansion (I wish they’d done the building retrofit instead!).

At this stage, Disney’s aware they can do no wrong, and anything they build on the monorail route (or skyliner, or Epcot area, etc.) will be popular. So they’re not paying nearly the same attention to those exterior details, and it doesn’t matter.

Views around property are uglier than ever, and it doesn’t matter - the parks and resorts are filling up.

Not specific to you (I’m part of the problem too - even stayed at ‘regular’ GF last year), and nothing we can do to reverse the trend as long as someone else is ready and willing to fill the inventory.
I get your point now, but you misunderstood what I was saying. Ask me how I feel about nearly any other resort and I'd nitpick to death. I simply never bothered to look. It's glaringly obvious what they messed up on to me now. I literally never looked at the building much from afar.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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I get your point now, but you misunderstood what I was saying. Ask me how I feel about nearly any other resort and I'd nitpick to death. I simply never bothered to look. It's glaringly obvious what they messed up on to me now. I literally never looked at the building much from afar.
Totally fair - I have that view etched in my head from the 90s and 2000s, and it’s one of the ‘lost’ things from all of WDW I miss most. RoE and the Great Movie Ride’s final montage are also on that list.

On that note, add Poly’s pre-bungalow lagoon view to the list. And the lava rocks/stream where there’s now bland astroturf. I can actually accept the waterfall going over these changes.

This tower will take away the next best thing we had to GF’s beach. We’ll lose something WDW will never be able to capture again, yet I’m sure the project will be another resounding success. No doubt on that
 

correcaminos

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Totally fair - I have that view etched in my head from the 90s and 2000s, and it’s one of the ‘lost’ things from all of WDW I miss most. RoE and the Great Movie Ride’s final montage are also on that list.

On that note, add Poly’s pre-bungalow lagoon view to the list. And the lava rocks/stream where there’s now bland astroturf. I can actually accept the waterfall going over these changes.

This tower will take away the next best thing we had to GF’s beach. We’ll lose something WDW will never be able to capture again, yet I’m sure the project will be another resounding success. No doubt on that
I did look at night but that wasn't quite the same view. I always looked at Polynesian or CR instead.

I am a dissenter on the bungalows and the view. Always reminded me of a place like Bora Bora with the over the water bungalows. Sunset Point is still lovely and the main part of the beach with the best views still remains. The water fall was hard for me to swallow. But the smell was awful. My last pic by it my eyes are so red likely due to mold. I gave the new lobby a chance for that reason only. I'm glad I did. I spend more time there now than before.

I will also give the tower a chance. I really am not seeing anything in that area though that was that fantastic. Literally walked by it a week ago too.... We look out to the lagoon at that point. All the buildings otherwise are gone. So I will give it a chance. There hasn't been a Polynesian update I didn't like the looks of in the end though. Outside of blah bedding
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
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This is why Disney’s getting away with quality cuts: because to most people, including their captive audience paying big bucks for timeshare, the details and care of the past don’t matter.

No one can tell me there’s not a clear difference between these two vistas:

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Enjoy the GF, though! I get why people don’t care for it, but I’ve had a soft spot for it since the mid-90s.
Your pictures are from 2 completely different spots. You can make anything look bad with a picture. The DVC building is off to the left of this picture.
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DonaldDoleWhip

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I did look at night but that wasn't quite the same view. I always looked at Polynesian or CR instead.

I am a dissenter on the bungalows and the view. Always reminded me of a place like Bora Bora with the over the water bungalows. Sunset Point is still lovely and the main part of the beach with the best views still remains. The water fall was hard for me to swallow. But the smell was awful. My last pic by it my eyes are so red likely due to mold. I gave the new lobby a chance for that reason only. I'm glad I did. I spend more time there now than before.

I will also give the tower a chance. I really am not seeing anything in that area though that was that fantastic. Literally walked by it a week ago too.... We look out to the lagoon at that point. All the buildings otherwise are gone. So I will give it a chance. There hasn't been a Polynesian update I didn't like the looks of in the end though. Outside of blah bedding
Agreed on the lobby - while the waterfall was more unique, in a way I like it more than before. The waterfall ultimately had to go, and Poly needed the functional improvements of the new layout. Also agreed that not all change in the resorts is bad.

Agree to disagree on the bungalows, but clearly there's some merit to the concept and they're thematically appropriate. I don't think they look quite right and preferred the cleaner lagoon views, but it's not as clear-cut.

Your pictures are from 2 completely different spots. You can make anything look bad with a picture. The DVC building is off to the left of this picture.
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The angle isn't the point of the photo, and I also think your shot is either pre-villa building or from an extreme angle. Certainly not the boat docks or main beach.

My villa shot was taken directly from Poly's boat dock - it has the geolocation to prove it.

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Here's the view from Poly's beach, with a pretty sunset to amp it up. No surprise, the villa building is still blocky (varying the height of the main roofline would've helped immensely) and obscures the much prettier main building.

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To anyone who appreciated those cleaner views from the Poly, it's a loss, but clearly that ship has sailed. Enjoy the villas.
 

LuvtheGoof

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Agreed on the lobby - while the waterfall was more unique, in a way I like it more than before. The waterfall ultimately had to go, and Poly needed the functional improvements of the new layout. Also agreed that not all change in the resorts is bad.

Agree to disagree on the bungalows, but clearly there's some merit to the concept and they're thematically appropriate. I don't think they look quite right and preferred the cleaner lagoon views, but it's not as clear-cut.


The angle isn't the point of the photo, and I also think your shot is either pre-villa building or from an extreme angle. Certainly not the boat docks or main beach.

My shot was taken directly from Poly's boat dock - it has the geolocation to prove it.

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Here's the view from Poly's beach, with a pretty sunset to amp it up. No surprise, the villa building is still blocky (varying the height of the main roofline would've helped immensely) and obscures the much prettier main building.

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To anyone who appreciated those cleaner views from the Poly, it's a loss, but clearly that ship has sailed. Enjoy the villas.
Ok, from the Poly boat dock, I'll give you the view. Mine was from a completely different angle, showing a completely different view. I won't argue whether or not Disney could have done better with the placement and the exterior, as I agree that they could have done better. I don't really care for the bungalows either, but having them there doesn't ruin anything for me, though I don't think they should have been built at all.

I remember when I first started going to MK in 1978, there wasn't a Grand Floridian at all. Things change. The resort evolves. Some of it we are ok with. Some of it, we are not ok with. But it is what it is, and I for one, do not live in the past and lament what could have been. Absolutely nothing we do or say is going to change the course of where Disney is headed or what they are going to build or not build. So the choice is simply to accept what is, and move on, or do something different if the changes are too terrible for you to accept. Will we stay at the new Poly tower? Absolutely yes.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Also, if it's the 'pre-villa' view you want a cleaner image of, here you go.

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These two shots are more apples-to-apples. Not exact, but it's clear how the villa building obscures the original resort with a much flatter shape.

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I remember when I first started going to MK in 1978, there wasn't a Grand Floridian at all. Things change. The resort evolves. Some of it we are ok with. Some of it, we are not ok with. But it is what it is, and I for one, do not live in the past and lament what could have been. Absolutely nothing we do or say is going to change the course of where Disney is headed or what they are going to build or not build. So the choice is simply to accept what is, and move on, or do something different if the changes are too terrible for you to accept. Will we stay at the new Poly tower? Absolutely yes.
GF may not have been there, but a resort was always planned for that plot. The master plan for that area was incredibly special, and modern Disney is insistent on completely trashing it in favor of more rooms.

Yes, things change - the Seven Seas Lagoon and Epcot resort area are moving closer to Vegas in feel than a unique, original creation. Totally fine, but that was also one of the reasons these resorts could command the premium they did. Take that away, and...clearly everything's gonna fill up anyway, which was my point earlier.

Checkmate, Disney wins whether the design is inspired or insipid. As for me, I look forward to spending less time in Orlando - it's not the special place in my heart it once was.
 
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Bocabear

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Um. No. Because that's in Tahiti. Literally where they are getting possible themes from. So I'd expect better at the original

Maybe it's me but one drawing is not enough to judge yet. People tend to get worked up too quick over a rendering. Real life often has subtle differences the drawings miss. I remember issues with the RR drawing where people assumed balconies wouldn't exist. Wait until they do something stupid like adding in Pocahontas to the lobby before getting worked up. Then they'll find a sinkhole and shut it down.
Regarding the RR...there was a lot said about it when they first produced the artwork and the lack of style etc...There were those that said it was unfair to judge because it was just concept and the building would be very different... Well....it did turn out EXACTLY like the art, and just as disappointing. I stayed there last year, and while the room was very nice, the building as a whole is charmless and completely lacks any sort of theme whatsoever...It is as plain as any Marriott hotel anytown USA...Adding a few photographs of Walt on vacation is not a theme.
With this new Poly building it is far too contemporary to fit the idiom of the resort... it doesn't feel right...
If it had a different roofline reflecting the Polynesian style, that might help...Other than that...the rest is all in it's style.
 

castlecake2.0

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Also, if it's the 'pre-villa' view you want a cleaner image of, here you go.

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These two shots are more apples-to-apples. Not exact, but it's clear how the villa building obscures the original resort with a much flatter shape.

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GF may not have been there, but a resort was always planned for that plot. The master plan for that area was incredibly special, and modern Disney is insistent on completely trashing it in favor of more rooms.

Yes, things change - the Seven Seas Lagoon and Epcot resort area are moving closer to Vegas in feel than a unique, original creation. Totally fine, but that was also one of the reasons these resorts could command the premium they did. Take that away, and...clearly everything's gonna fill up anyway, which was my point earlier.

Checkmate, Disney wins whether the design is inspired or insipid. As for me, I look forward to spending less time in Orlando - it's not the special place in my heart it once was.
Can we just flood the higher ups inboxes with these two images? They have probably never even seen the damage they do. The GFV totally ruins the scale and the separation of story between the two resorts. But all upper Disney sees is $$$ on spreadsheets, not real life views. I wish they would plant some pine trees around the villa building, it would at least help take away the giant box feel and add some degree of space between the resorts. Sigh, this is just such a shame, and again I’m not against adding to the resorts, but the locations of both buildings are just annoying.
 

castlecake2.0

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Regarding the RR...there was a lot said about it when they first produced the artwork and the lack of style etc...There were those that said it was unfair to judge because it was just concept and the building would be very different... Well....it did turn out EXACTLY like the art, and just as disappointing. I stayed there last year, and while the room was very nice, the building as a whole is charmless and completely lacks any sort of theme whatsoever...It is as plain as any Marriott hotel anytown USA...Adding a few photographs of Walt on vacation is not a theme.
With this new Poly building it is far too contemporary to fit the idiom of the resort... it doesn't feel right...
If it had a different roofline reflecting the Polynesian style, that might help...Other than that...the rest is all in it's style.
I have love hate with RR. The rooms and dining I really like, the cast are all super friendly. I don’t even reallly hate the look, I just hate that it ruins CBR. I wish they had built this where the pirate rooms are, I think it would have fit in that space, still see Epcot, be across from the main skyliner and be far enough removed from CBR’s main lagoon that it wouldn’t feel as disjointed. I wonder why they didn’t do it that way but the answer is most certainly $$$
 

correcaminos

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Regarding the RR...there was a lot said about it when they first produced the artwork and the lack of style etc...There were those that said it was unfair to judge because it was just concept and the building would be very different... Well....it did turn out EXACTLY like the art, and just as disappointing. I stayed there last year, and while the room was very nice, the building as a whole is charmless and completely lacks any sort of theme whatsoever...It is as plain as any Marriott hotel anytown USA...Adding a few photographs of Walt on vacation is not a theme.
With this new Poly building it is far too contemporary to fit the idiom of the resort... it doesn't feel right...
If it had a different roofline reflecting the Polynesian style, that might help...Other than that...the rest is all in it's style.
The updated concept art, yes, it looks pretty close. The original? Nah that changed for the better - less 2 dimensional on the exterior. The theme to me is well done, just not one I like. The grounds though are pretty much awful to me. I dislike concrete and they have too much.

Here is the two concepts side by side. The later one has more detail that the original didn't have. I still remember them not drawing balconies on some and people were going ape over that


We can agree to disagree that the new Polynesian building will be good or bad based on initial concept drawings. I'm just waiting to see the later drawings before I jump to conclusions. RR might not be my cup of tea, but I do think the building and rooms were well executed. The grounds really are lacking IMO.
 

Bocabear

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I have love hate with RR. The rooms and dining I really like, the cast are all super friendly. I don’t even reallly hate the look, I just hate that it ruins CBR. I wish they had built this where the pirate rooms are, I think it would have fit in that space, still see Epcot, be across from the main skyliner and be far enough removed from CBR’s main lagoon that it wouldn’t feel as disjointed. I wonder why they didn’t do it that way but the answer is most certainly $$$
Our suite at the RR was very nice...huge even...and the view was great, but the whole resort kind of left everyone cold...It did feel like we were staying off property... but next to a skyliner station... there was nothing about the hotel that felt "Disney" there was no grand atrium, gorgeous lobby or engaging public spacers... A restaurant on the roof that looked the opposite way from EPCOT...but if you stand in the hallway next to the restrooms and look out the window you can see fireworks... Odd decisions all around. I am frightened that new POLY tower will be done by the same team
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Can we just flood the higher ups inboxes with these two images? They have probably never even seen the damage they do. The GFV totally ruins the scale and the separation of story between the two resorts. But all upper Disney sees is $$$ on spreadsheets, not real life views. I wish they would plant some pine trees around the villa building, it would at least help take away the giant box feel and add some degree of space between the resorts. Sigh, this is just such a shame, and again I’m not against adding to the resorts, but the locations of both buildings are just annoying.
Once the Polynesian Palazzo is complete, you’ll pretty much have a Vegas-style mega-resort on that side of the lagoon, just scaled down for Central Florida.

Progress!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The GCH is basically a prefabricated box with a pointy roof if you really look at it. If they built that now people would all be complaining “it’s just a box”. I’d 100% rather have them put a new mid century modern tiki inspired tower here like the original concept than tacking it to the side of the resort where it makes no sense.
I agree but WDW and particularly Poly as one of the original resorts relies heavily on nostalgia. If they did what you proposed a lot of Disney parks fans would be more upset than with what’s happening now. The GCH is fine for the resort it’s part of. It matches with the long houses, it’s a throwback to the 70s, it’s fun and does make me happy because of nostalgia. I can walk in and picture exactly how I felt as a little kid getting off of the monorail and entering for the first time. Sure, the water feature is gone, the furniture is updated and the view out to the pool and beyond is definitely different (nicer?) but it’s the same bones and that has some powerful nostalgia. Is it iconic or untouchable? Not in my opinion but many would probably disagree.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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I agree but WDW and particularly Poly as one of the original resorts relies heavily on nostalgia. If they did what you proposed a lot of Disney parks fans would be more upset than with what’s happening now. The GCH is fine for the resort it’s part of. It matches with the long houses, it’s a throwback to the 70s, it’s fun and does make me happy because of nostalgia. I can walk in and picture exactly how I felt as a little kid getting off of the monorail and entering for the first time. Sure, the water feature is gone, the furniture is updated and the view out to the pool and beyond is definitely different (nicer?) but it’s the same bones and that has some powerful nostalgia. Is it iconic or untouchable? Not in my opinion but many would probably disagree.
That's also fair - as cool as it would be to see that concept realized, there would be an insane uproar over what would be lost.

I have that nostalgia too (Poly was my first Disney resort), and you're probably right that more people are indifferent toward the luau/beach than the GCH.
 

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