New Moniters Outside Carousel of Progress

[Expo_Seeker40]

DarkMeasures and I have always agreed about this. Now I differ just a tad. Yes I think the carousel of progress should be saved and kept in WDW or at leats in another Disney park. A museum for its survival would be a FINAL resort.

Now if the CoP were to stay in Tomorrowland then I wonder if they can knock out the galaxy placace theater. Take down CoP and recenter it with a whole new pavilion, foundation, theater, and expanded stage performance. If not the same can be done at Epcot if the show were to moved there.

The show does need to be expanded. I am all for a new outdoor preshow that is covered by a roof. Guests enter a seperate waiting room and watch a 4 minute pre show a biref history of the ride....or in a new Epcot progressland pavilion, on the ground/first floor guests see a museum with multi media and artifcats of the CoP and walt disney along with General Electric.

In a nutshell ys the show should contain 1900, 1920, 1940, 1960 which can all reflect and look like the original 1964 performance. then we can go to 1980 which was the more memorable set for "now is the time", and then create a whole new and realistic set for 2000. With a new cast that sounds like the original cast, reading from the original 1964 and now is the time script for 1900-1980 with slight modifications would be excellent. 2000 can have its own script. The final ending, called "tomorrow" would be the only thing that would be updated. A bonus scene if you will still reflecting progress itself.

Yea there's alot more to Dark Measures and my own theory but that's it in a nutshell.

 

[maxime29]

Those new LCD monitors look slick! Does the COP logo look slightly off center, or is it just me?

I do agree that the show should be tweaked to add a newer future scene (along with a good rehab of the scenes, animatronics, etc...).

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Count me in as one who wants the external preshow (adding a fifth theater), move it to Epcot (to serve as the centerpiece of Cocept City- where some of the greatest discoveries and ideas in human history, including a full working EPCOT, are shown through itneractive displays), and update the show scenes with more time material based on approx. 25 year gaps (just before ToCentury, 20s, 50s, 70's/80s, and ToMillenium).

Ah, if only THAT Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow would happen!:sohappy:

 

[Miss Bell]

I vote for careful rehab--enough to update, but not enough to interfere with the essence of this attraction. I would love to see the newer audio-animatronics in there, but I want it to be the same basic guy, the same basic dog, etc.

I cringe every time I hear someone mention taking this away, not that you aren't entitled to your opinion--but to me, things like CoP and Spaceship Earth are the heart and soul of WDW. Walt created this, for Pete's sake, what's more Disney than that?

Moving it is another story, I'd be okay with it in Epcot, but why, really? It's in Tomorrowland...It's a great, big, beatiful tomorrow...anyone else see a connection?

 

[FamilyMan]

Tomorrowland has become Fantasyland East. The time has come when Tomorrowland is no longer about Tomorrow, but more about Buzz Lightyear and Stitch.

Boy, it's sad, isn't it?

 

[s25843]

IMO they're Plasma Screens

Actually its either a Dell W1700(17 inch) or W2300 (23 inch) LCD TV.

I am using the W1700 as my comp monitor now.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I thinks its a classic attraction that serves as a link to the past and how we viewwed the world. I think it shoudl be maintained and kept in teh best possible condition.

 

[Woody13]

First of all, it was the only attraction that Walt Disney requested stay in his parks as long as they existed.

I'd like to see the proof to verify that often told rumor. If that were true, then Walt would have been stupid!

I believe Walt Disney intended this attraction to be updated (as it has been in the 70s and early 90s) and serve as a *living* tribtue to dreaming and doing.

Here we go again. You need to substantiate this idea rather than speculate.

Carousel of Progress is unique. There's no other way today that kids can learn about progress as effectively. Not in a museum, not in a school.

Perhaps reading a book or two might help this situation. Most children in the world never get the opportunity to even visit WDW or see CoP. You're once again being extremely myopic Grizz!

In reality, the time for CoP has come and gone. It was a great show, but it's time to move on and look for that great big beautiful tomorrow in another attraction. You seem to be anti-progress to me Grizz.

 

[General Grizz]

I'd like to see the proof to verify that often told rumor. If that were true, then Walt would have been stupid!

Walt would have been stupid, huh? He had a favorite attraction in HIS theme park. And he is STUPID for wanting a tribute to his vision? I can't agree with this.

I learned this from a Cast Member, got it confirmed by Walt Disney Archives. Believe what you will.

Here we go again. You need to substantiate this idea rather than speculate.

Just for you -- I'm saying he PROBABLY would want it a living tribute because (A) he requested it stay but (B) always said that "Disneyland" would be growing and blossoming. Putting those two together, I made the educated guess that Walt would probably want his attraction to be maintained and updated.

As for the kids comment, thousands of kids are in the Magic Kingdom/day. That's not the entire world - did I ever say it was? - but that's a lot of children.

You seem to be anti-progress to me Grizz.

Seems, seems. Looks may be deceiving. :animwink:

 

[One Lil Spark]

Walt would have been stupid, huh? He had a favorite attraction in HIS theme park. And he is STUPID for wanting a tribute to his vision? I can't agree with this.

I learned this from a Cast Member, got it confirmed by Walt Disney Archives. Believe what you will.




Just for you -- I'm saying he PROBABLY would want it a living tribute because (A) he requested it stay but (B) always said that "Disneyland" would be growing and blossoming. Putting those two together, I made the educated guess that Walt would probably want his attraction to be maintained and updated.

As for the kids comment, thousands of kids are in the Magic Kingdom/day. That's not the entire world - did I ever say it was? - but that's a lot of children.



Seems, seems. Looks may be deceiving. :animwink:

I agree wholeheartedly with Grizz here and I'm not anti-progress. What other attraction is as old & classic and captures the essence of Walt himself in ANY of the parks? All of them have been rehabbed away from the beginning except for maybe JC and that's not Walt's vision encapsulated.

I remember going there as a small child and knowing every line to the attraction. I couldn't wait for the fun music and the appliances to dance and operate. I even looked forward to hearing the coo coo clock sing "Now is the time" to signify a progression in time! (Boy, it's changed since then b/c that song doesn't even play anymore... haha I'm getting old).

Have a wonderful day! :wave:

 

[Poncho1973]

I'd like it cut down into 12 smaller scenes. You remove the left tilt-a-whirl and replace it with a double-layered double-swivel scene.

Opening scene
1900's
10's
20's
30's
40's
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
Close with the future

Just my $0.02 I think you could completely revolutionize the audience feel by doing this... smaller rooms for light times, so you felt like you were still in a full house... but the overall capacity is nearly identical.

 

[OliveMcFly]

longfamily - There's a great big beautiful tomorrow....

I learned the lyrics to that song because of those monitors. The new ones look great.

 

[maxime29]

I'd like it cut down into 12 smaller scenes. You remove the left tilt-a-whirl and replace it with a double-layered double-swivel scene.

Opening scene
1900's
10's
20's
30's
40's
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
Close with the future

Just my $0.02 I think you could completely revolutionize the audience feel by doing this... smaller rooms for light times, so you felt like you were still in a full house... but the overall capacity is nearly identical.

I like the idea of the separate decades, but is there enough advances between each decade to make a note of? Separating the time periods as they are now seems right. Maybe have a scene from the 1980s-1990's, then move to the future.

 

[DisneyDrum]

Personally, I think that CoP should go through a major renovation if Disney plans to keep it open. Disney could design both and old and new CoP, and give guests the option to choose which one they want to see. In two of the theaters, there would the World’s Fair version of the show, restored to the original version. In the other theaters there would be a new version, which would be updated for today.

Will Disney do this? No, it's too expensive for them to achieve well. But if money weren't an issue, I think it would be a good solution

 

[prberk]

Well, it seems to me that they could accomplish several goals at once, all the while keeping the theme of the attraction.

They could do this by renovating the attraction (whether at Epcot or with an expansion of a pre- or post-show into the current outside theatre area), and celebrate the re-opening with a new gift shop at the exit that sells memorabilia of Walt's vision, the 1964 World's Fair, retro-futuristic toys, and especially a DIGITALLY MASTERED COMMEMORATIVE DVD featuring the original show and Walt's TV introductions to it (perhaps even including special features about the voice actors, imagineers, and Walt's vision for Epcot...).

That way the original show would be preserved and heralded in a fitting and profitable fashion that would be easy to maintain (DVD always available); and yet the new show would be there to compare.

I have discussed elsewhere my vision for updating the show, but I think adding the DVD and a retro-future gift shop (maybe called the "The Days of Futures Past") would be fun and helpful.

As for the show itself, in a nutshell, I would update the scenes only slightly, but add a post-show walk-through scene or two (like the Alien Encounter pre-show) that brings us to a final, interactive scene that is sort of open-ended, challenging us to dream about the future. (Or end by thanking everyone for visiting Walt's special, living view of progress, and sort of challenging us to live out his dream by learning from the past as we build a "great big beautiful tomorrow...). Lots of room to imagineer this ending, but that is my idea.


And one more thing: As for Griz or his views being anti-progress, I think it is actually about BALANCE, just as it was for Walt. Walt was very progressive, but his progress was ALWAYS informed and balanced by a considerable appreciation for (and understanding of) the past. His program intros often had this theme, but it nowhere more evident than in the layout of Disneyland (and MK) itself: Frontierland on one side, and Tomorrowland on the other.

Paul

 

[Lynx04]

Should COP be updated? It depends on what they plan on doing with the attraction. If the only plan to keep the attraction seasonal, then I don't see any reason to update the attraction. Why poor money into an attraction that will be open for less then a fraction of the year. If they plan on keeping the attraction open on a normal status, then updating it would not be a bad idea.

 

[zone15int]

Those new LCD monitors look slick! Does the COP logo look slightly off center, or is it just me?
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yea, I can see what you are talking about. It's most likely because the image is stretched out and it was originally designed for the monitors that were already in place.

 

[zone15int]

I agree with your entire post, not just what was quoted. I think that Disney should get those marketing people on the attraction and get the CoP advertised. Most people come up to me at CoP and ask if its the entrance to the "blue line" aka Tomorrowland Transit Authority. Or they get into the theater and ask if its the TTA. Actually, most people come up to me and ask if whichever attraction I am standing in front of is one of the other 8 attractions in tomorrowland. ie: is CoP the astro orbiter, is Buzz Space mt.

 

[maxime29]

yea, I can see what you are talking about. It's most likely because the image is stretched out and it was originally designed for the monitors that were already in place.

Good point. That or it's just the angle of the photo maybe.

 

[General Grizz]

I agree with your entire post, not just what was quoted. I think that Disney should get those marketing people on the attraction and get the CoP advertised. Most people come up to me at CoP and ask if its the entrance to the "blue line" aka Tomorrowland Transit Authority. Or they get into the theater and ask if its the TTA. Actually, most people come up to me and ask if whichever attraction I am standing in front of is one of the other 8 attractions in tomorrowland. ie: is CoP the astro orbiter, is Buzz Space mt.

Even the TTA does not describe what CoP is. Ugh.