New Log Cabins?

Bocabear

Bocabear

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mm121 said:
the way people abuse things at wdw and everywhere in the world is just dispicable


i dont know exactly how they could stop you from doing what you did, other than raising prices across the board which hurts everyone

maybe check sites for actual signs of occupancy or something, like hotels do. If a room appears empty and they need the room sometimes hotels will change people to checked out in the computer so rooms can be rented again

you should be ashamed of yourself

some kid somewhere didnt get to go camping at disney that week while you left a site empty while you stayed off in your condo
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I don't understand all the furor... They paid for the space...they paid for the privelages they got...they didn't technically play the system...if they chose not to lay their head down there, that is their option, but they paid for that space just like everyone else does....they did not get anything for free or take anything away from anyone... And for Disney, why would they care? They have rented the space, and they are not using the resources of the actual campground... There are much larger abuses to be concerned about...like all the advance reservations that prevent anyone from making any sort of reservation from people that don't end up using them...
but again, they paid for a space, they paid for their privelages...that's how it works!!
 
sporadic

sporadic

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Chalk it up as a $75 up-charge for on-site benefits when staying offsite. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered this in the future given their more recent offerings...
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

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AJH219 said:
The same mindset in my opinion, "omg I'm paying to stay at the A-S-S, so I deserve to take a dip in the pool at the Grand Floridian, hurp de derp" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The entitlement is astounding
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except...ya know, when someone stays at a value resort and uses a deluxe pool, they actually didn't pay to use that deluxe pool. That isn't part of the benefits for staying at a value.

The campground case, they actually paid for the benefits they are receiving..no more, no less.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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The pool hopping thing is not the same...if they want to use the campground pool they are welcome to it...they are only using the facilities/benefits that have paid for...and if they want to do that, then good for them...
the "some kid didn't get to go camping because they rented the space" argument is silly... that argument could be applied to everything... Someone reserved a fastpass and went on the 7 Dwarves Mine Train and some kid could not go on it because there were too many people in line... my precious Snowflake could not have her Bibbidi Bobidy Boutique makeover because some rich kid had a reservation...It's a fairly weak argument...
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Bocabear said:
The pool hopping thing is not the same...if they want to use the campground pool they are welcome to it...they are only using the facilities/benefits that have paid for...and if they want to do that, then good for them...
the "some kid didn't get to go camping because they rented the space" argument is silly... that argument could be applied to everything... Someone reserved a fastpass and went on the 7 Dwarves Mine Train and some kid could not go on it because there were too many people in line... my precious Snowflake could not have her Bibbidi Bobidy Boutique makeover because some rich kid had a reservation...It's a fairly weak argument...
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Hush you, I'm instigating here....
 
RobbinsDad

RobbinsDad

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docdebbi said:
You are correct. I did this for the first time in April of this year. We stayed at Wyndham Bonnet Creek because it looked (and was) so fabulous. So much more room, great pools and lazy rivers and less than 1/10 the price it would have been on Disney property for 6 of us.
But we do like the early ADR and FP ability of onsite. We also like the convenience of magicbands for charging. So I gave Disney their pound of flesh, paid $75 per night for the advantages and it was the best of both worlds. Still saved me tons of money.

Felt guilty tying up a site that wasn't used, but not as guilty as if we booked, got the early bookings for ADR and FP and then cancelled, as others had suggested.
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This is super interesting. I had no idea, and I'm sure this loophole is being explored as we speak.
 
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plutofan15

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Andrew C said:
Do the cabins sleep more? like 6 or something? Pricey either way it seems.
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When our kids were younger we likes the cabins. The bedroom allowed the kiddos to go to sleep a bit earlier than us, we could relax in the living area with a drink and watch TV. Plus the full kitchen allowed make breakfast and snacks - no cooking dinner for us; momma does not cook on vacation. Plus there is nobody on the other side of the wall and nobody above or below you. If the rugrats got a little wild they didn't disturb anyone. Plus they could play outside on the deck and around the cabin itself. Really enjoyable and relaxing.
 
Monorail_Red_77

Monorail_Red_77

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deere839 said:
any one know why theres a butch of log cabins in the old airport runway near Epcot Monorail line there has to be over 100 of them? I did not have time to grab a photo
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I heard they are building a new DVC at the old STOL Port. They are going to bring over Walt's old plane so that it looks like a real airport. It's gonna be called Disney's Vacation Club at Walt Disney World STOL Port. LOL

No really, likely they have been removed from Ft Wilderness and may be refurbed and used elsewhere. Maybe added back to Ft Wilderness in another location so they can have increased tent sites and increased cabin sites. Will have to wait and see. I would think though if they were to just be scrapped they would not have taken the care to move them to the STOL Port area.
 
Unplugged

Unplugged

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rioriz said:
When I return this year I plan on just setting up a tent and truly roughing it.
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Not if the prior poster has the site tied up.

Bocabear said:
The pool hopping thing is not the same...if they want to use the campground pool they are welcome to it...they are only using the facilities/benefits that have paid for...and if they want to do that, then good for them...
the "some kid didn't get to go camping because they rented the space" argument is silly... that argument could be applied to everything... Someone reserved a fastpass and went on the 7 Dwarves Mine Train and some kid could not go on it because there were too many people in line... my precious Snowflake could not have her Bibbidi Bobidy Boutique makeover because some rich kid had a reservation...It's a fairly weak argument...
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I'm not starting anything here, as I get what you're saying and agree that pool hoping is indeed, not the same. But your example of FP+ & ADR is not the same either for a few reasons:
  • Someone won't book a FP+ for Seven Dwarves with the absolute intention of going on Splash Mountain instead, yet somehow being able to take advantage of the 7 Dwarves FP+. There is no benefit to do that and if anything. it's a detractor.
  • Last I knew, Bibbidi has a credit card on hold as with signature dining. If you don't show, you get charged. Assuming that policy is still in place this year, again there is no benefit to reserving it knowing you will not go. Some people book with the intention to go and for some reason cannot make it. People do cancel last minute, and some people can't get there due to technical reasons and lose the fee. (As stated, same with Signature dining.)
  • The negative impact to Disney with the campground reservation scam is that if your intention is to stay off property while visiting, you will still spend money in the parks on tickets, food, souvenirs, but the unused camp site (while paid for) is not being used by another family who will also spend money on tix, food, souvenirs, etc. Technically, while your camp ground fee is paid, it is not 100% equivalent for revenue/guest totals for Disney. You can be assured, they will find a way to close the loophole and up their revenue. They are becoming very efficient at that.
  • The point of everyone bringing this up is not that you're sticking it to Disney (I think we'd all like to do that with the current prices), but that from a society perspective it simply isn't right. Wrong? That's a judgment call I'm not making here. It's also not illegal or against any Disney rules (yet). Yes, some are making a bigger deal out of it then need be as this is Disney's issue to resolve. But being one of those people who intentionally bucks the system for their own gain, is the essence of selfish. Just saying, that's all. Not placing judgment as I don't know all the issues or challenges that may play into their want/need to do this.
 
mm121

mm121

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Bocabear said:
I don't understand all the furor... They paid for the space...they paid for the privelages they got...they didn't technically play the system...if they chose not to lay their head down there, that is their option, but they paid for that space just like everyone else does....they did not get anything for free or take anything away from anyone... And for Disney, why would they care? They have rented the space, and they are not using the resources of the actual campground... There are much larger abuses to be concerned about...like all the advance reservations that prevent anyone from making any sort of reservation from people that don't end up using them...
but again, they paid for a space, they paid for their privelages...that's how it works!!
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it games the system by artificially increasing occupancy, which causes wdw to raise prices

it hurts those that either truly enjoy the camping experience, or those looking at fort wilderness as a way to have a more affordable way to go on a wdw vacation
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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Unplugged said:
Not if the prior poster has the site tied up.


I'm not starting anything here, as I get what you're saying and agree that pool hoping is indeed, not the same. But your example of FP+ & ADR is not the same either for a few reasons:
  • Someone won't book a FP+ for Seven Dwarves with the absolute intention of going on Splash Mountain instead, yet somehow being able to take advantage of the 7 Dwarves FP+. There is no benefit to do that and if anything. it's a detractor.
  • Last I knew, Bibbidi has a credit card on hold as with signature dining. If you don't show, you get charged. Assuming that policy is still in place this year, again there is no benefit to reserving it knowing you will not go. Some people book with the intention to go and for some reason cannot make it. People do cancel last minute, and some people can't get there due to technical reasons and lose the fee. (As stated, same with Signature dining.)
  • The negative impact to Disney with the campground reservation scam is that if your intention is to stay off property while visiting, you will still spend money in the parks on tickets, food, souvenirs, but the unused camp site (while paid for) is not being used by another family who will also spend money on tix, food, souvenirs, etc. Technically, while your camp ground fee is paid, it is not 100% equivalent for revenue/guest totals for Disney. You can be assured, they will find a way to close the loophole and up their revenue. They are becoming very efficient at that.
  • The point of everyone bringing this up is not that you're sticking it to Disney (I think we'd all like to do that with the current prices), but that from a society perspective it simply isn't right. Wrong? That's a judgment call I'm not making here. It's also not illegal or against any Disney rules (yet). Yes, some are making a bigger deal out of it then need be as this is Disney's issue to resolve. But being one of those people who intentionally bucks the system for their own gain, is the essence of selfish. Just saying, that's all. Not placing judgment as I don't know all the issues or challenges that may play into their want/need to do this.
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but theyalready paid for the space and are as well buying tickets, food and souvenirs...So it has no difference to Disney Whatsoever if they lay their head on the ground or not...they have paid for the space...they have paid for the privelages that come with it...It is that simple...If I really wanted to swim in the Pool at the Contemporary and booked a room there but slept at the Holiday Inn in Downtown Disney, would that be scamming the system because someone else could have been sleeping in the empty room? Of course not. I paid for the room...it is my right to do with it as I please... You may not like that someone did that, but it is not wrong... they paid the extra money for the privelages they wanted...
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Monorail_Red_77 said:
I heard they are building a new DVC at the old STOL Port. They are going to bring over Walt's old plane so that it looks like a real airport. It's gonna be called Disney's Vacation Club at Walt Disney World STOL Port. LOL

No really, likely they have been removed from Ft Wilderness and may be refurbed and used elsewhere. Maybe added back to Ft Wilderness in another location so they can have increased tent sites and increased cabin sites. Will have to wait and see. I would think though if they were to just be scrapped they would not have taken the care to move them to the STOL Port area.
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You know it's gonna be a short approach when the runway lights are two strings of christmas lights and the beacon is a candle in a tin can...
 
raymusiccity

raymusiccity

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DisneyJeff said:
That's going to be Lou Mongello's next book: "101 Ways to Scam at Walt Disney World". (Available to be shoplifted from your local bookstore: September 2016)
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Sorry, shoplifting suggestion has already been done!

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