News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

[MoonRakerSCM]

Not pre-fab, but a kit. A pre-designed model with some alterations to fit Disney's liking.

Also, looking at the new wood grain, yes, those are completely new doors. They operate the same, they're both sliding wood doors, but the new ones look MUCH better and have a nice wood grain to them while the previous ones were hideously cheap wood.

Almost like the kit structure came with the 1st wooden doors... and Disney replaced them with nicer ones.

 

[Nland316]

I think it’s pretty misguided to think that this is a prefabbed building. We literally saw steel beams being placed for this, as well as every other step in construction.

Any flaws that are being discussed are purely a design / engineering struggle. I’m assuming these probably have to do with a mixture of modern building codes, merchandise needs, and over ambition for the concept of a Haunted Mansion gift shop.

The detailing is turning out rather nice, but I think the design just looks clunky compared to what the concept art promised. A continuation of the gardens / trellises / crypt with some merchandise stations would’ve blended in so much better.

 

[Professortango1]

I think it’s pretty misguided to think that this is a prefabbed building. We literally saw steel beams being placed for this, as well as every other step in construction.

Any flaws that are being discussed are purely a design / engineering struggle. I’m assuming these probably have to do with a mixture of modern building codes, merchandise needs, and over ambition for the concept of a Haunted Mansion gift shop.

The detailing is turning out rather nice, but I think the design just looks clunky compared to what the concept art promised. A continuation of the gardens / trellises / crypt with some merchandise stations would’ve blended in so much better.

It's clearly a kit. And clearly not designed for the space it is sitting in.

I think the rumor is correct that Disneyland didn't hire WDI for the design and build and instead did it in-house with a plan that WDI would spruce up after the new queue was completed.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Also didn’t see it mentioned here. Jack Skellington made his way back to the entrance sign.

 

[DCBaker]

The new shop opens today - Disney has shared a few photos inside:

 

[Disney Analyst]

Good question.

 

[mickEblu]

Man to think we have to look at this eyesore (from the outside) just to walk in and see the same damn Nightmare Before Christmas merch they sell over at Port Royal currently.

 

[DCBaker]

Additional photos:

 

[Touchdown]

Man to think we have to look at this eyesore (from the outside) just to walk in and see the same damn Nightmare Before Christmas merch they sell over at Port Royal currently.

Not for long according to rumors. Port Royal will soon be POTC queue.

 

[Professortango1]

Wait....so Disney has a standard trumpet in a shop dedicated to a mystic worker who does seances? Could Disney not google what a Seance/Spirit Trumpet actually looked like??? And any seance worker knows that mirrors are covered/veiled.

If you are going to theme your experience around something, at least do a minimal amount of research into the world you are trying to appropriate.

 

[mickEblu]

Not for long according to rumors. Port Royal will soon be POTC queue.

I know. I'm just saying its an eyesore that only exists to house the same merch that existed once upon a time (and for now until they shut Port Royal down) in another place that did not have such a negative effect on the aesthetics of the HM area.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not pre-fab, but a kit. A pre-designed model with some alterations to fit Disney's liking.

t's clearly a kit. And clearly not designed for the space it is sitting in.

No, it is not clearly a kit. Again, the kits people keep posting are wood structures, not steel structures. You can’t just swap structural systems. You can’t just swap occupancy. They don’t offer a fire sprinkler with exposed pipes out back add-on.

Also, looking at the new wood grain, yes, those are completely new doors. They operate the same, they're both sliding wood doors, but the new ones look MUCH better and have a nice wood grain to them while the previous ones were hideously cheap wood.

Almost like the kit structure came with the 1st wooden doors... and Disney replaced them with nicer ones.

These new doors sit proud of the wall and frame. They do not provide a complete building envelope. The other doors sat in the frame and are likely there behind the other doors.

Any flaws that are being discussed are purely a design / engineering struggle. I’m assuming these probably have to do with a mixture of modern building codes, merchandise needs, and over ambition for the concept of a Haunted Mansion gift shop.

Building codes and retail standards have dimensional criteria for specific components. They do not dictate composition. Organization, massing, scale, proportion are all the responsibility of the designer. Imagine you hire someone to build custom cabinetry for your kitchen, it turns out awful and they respond “Well… wood is only really available in certain sizes”. Of course it is, that shouldn’t be a surprise to someone making cabinetry. Similarly, code requirements shouldn’t be a surprise to someone designing a building. Not only are the requirements known but these projects take long enough that something coming up so late that it cannot be dealt with then that’s a serious failing.

I think the rumor is correct that Disneyland didn't hire WDI for the design and build and instead did it in-house with a lot that WDI would spruce up after the new queue was completed.

That’s not a choice available to the park. Even if there was some credence to the idea of Walt Disney Imagineering not having resources available to focus on the shop they already have architectural and interior design vendors they have to bring on who take up more of the design responsibility. Look at stuff like the architectural mess that is the France Pavilion expansion. The ability to do new, more typical buildings is a skill set that has been lost from Disney but also a lot of the industry. Let’s not just search for excuses to shift the blame away from Walt Disney Imagineering.

 

[Consumer]

Wait....so Disney has a standard trumpet in a shop dedicated to a mystic worker who does seances? Could Disney not google what a Seance/Spirit Trumpet actually looked like??? And any seance worker knows that mirrors are covered/veiled.

If you are going to theme your experience around something, at least do a minimal amount of research into the world you are trying to appropriate.

Pretty sure it's just a reference to the trumpet in the séance room on the HM. Same with the tambourine and drum.

Good question.

This was my first thought, as well. Good design, if so, but the presence of a face makes me concerned they're going to just keep using the projection mapping instead of a completely solid figure.

 

[Professortango1]

Pretty sure it's just a reference to the trumpet in the séance room on the HM. Same with the tambourine and drum.

Except the Seance Room in HM doesn't have a standard trumpet. It has a long antique horn with a banner hanging from it.

 

[Consumer]

Except the Seance Room in HM doesn't have a standard trumpet. It has a long antique horn with a banner hanging from it.

You can see the trumpet at 6:22 in this video.

 

[Professortango1]

You can see the trumpet at 6:22 in this video.

I do not. I see cymbals, two small tables, a lamp, two drums, a harp, a gong, and the aforementioned antique horn.

 

[chadwpalm]

I do not. I see cymbals, two small tables, a lamp, two drums, a harp, a gong, and the aforementioned antique horn. View attachment 832305

Top of the screen at 6:29:

 

[Professortango1]

Top of the screen at 6:29:

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I stand corrected.

However. I do view the show scene as an amalgamation of period instruments whereas the shop seems to be decorated with seance specific items. Maybe all of the instruments are represented throughout and so the appearance of a purple modern trumpet melds better than the photos insinuate.

Still....to have exposed mirrors in a Seance parlor.... That's like having an area themed to Dublin and having British flags and a copy of Macbeth sitting around. It shows a clear lack of understanding of the world they are depicting.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Good question.

it's interesting that she's holding a candelabra. For magic Kingdom perhaps they'll bring the ghost bride to Hatbox since they couldn't bring the Hatbox to the ghost bride. but that would leave a big void in the Attic.

if it is the ghost bride... I like it! Constance Hatchaway can go away.

 

[disneyC97]

I stand corrected.

However. I do view the show scene as an amalgamation of period instruments whereas the shop seems to be decorated with seance specific items. Maybe all of the instruments are represented throughout and so the appearance of a purple modern trumpet melds better than the photos insinuate.

Still....to have exposed mirrors in a Seance parlor.... That's like having an area themed to Dublin and having British flags and a copy of Macbeth sitting around. It shows a clear lack of understanding of the world they are depicting.

They didn’t get their return trip to New Orleans to figure that out