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News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner

iowamomof4

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I've been watching this thread for a very long time and feel like I've read nearly every post. I'm still a little unclear how the Riviera station will work, and I understand it's possible we won't really know until it starts running.

My recollection from the early phases of construction is that the main gondola lines pass right through Riviera station. My question is, how do they slow the line down for people to get on and off without slowing down the entire line from CBR to Epcot? It seemed like the gondolas would stay attached to the haul rope through the station vs detaching and being run through by wheels. Am I misunderstanding? I hope I am.
 

danlb_2000

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I've been watching this thread for a very long time and feel like I've read nearly every post. I'm still a little unclear how the Riviera station will work, and I understand it's possible we won't really know until it starts running.

My recollection from the early phases of construction is that the main gondola lines pass right through Riviera station. My question is, how do they slow the line down for people to get on and off without slowing down the entire line from CBR to Epcot? It seemed like the gondolas would stay attached to the haul rope through the station vs detaching and being run through by wheels. Am I misunderstanding? I hope I am.
They will detach from the haul rope just like in any other station. The turn station at Boardwalk will work the same way.
 

GoofGoof

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Stations can be staffed so that no one can get on, but people can get off and vice versa to allow for one way traffic in the early mornings and late evenings.
They can certainly do that if they want. I was hoping that if they kept the EPCOT line running late night to allow guests staying at Riviera and returning from DHS to ride they would still allow people to get on/off at IG station so they could easily get to/from the boardwalk for nightlife. I know the IG station is technically for EPCOT but it could also serve the Crescent Lake resorts as well.
 

GeneralKnowledge

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They can certainly do that if they want. I was hoping that if they kept the EPCOT line running late night to allow guests staying at Riviera and returning from DHS to ride they would still allow people to get on/off at IG station so they could easily get to/from the boardwalk for nightlife. I know the IG station is technically for EPCOT but it could also serve the Crescent Lake resorts as well.
They would be stupid not to at least lightly promote the boardwalk as a potential nightlife venue accessible via the gondola. The facilities there are probably only used to about 25% of their total annual capacity.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
They would be stupid not to at least lightly promote the boardwalk as a potential nightlife venue accessible via the gondola. The facilities there are probably only used to about 25% of their total annual capacity.
They've tried, but people wind up realizing that it ain't much of a destination. BoardWalk's boardwalk is just the hotel's shops and restaurants situated facing outside toward a boardwalk. The Swolphin has a livelier nightlife than the BoardWalk thanks to all the conventioneers.

If Disney couldn't get everyone to drop by the BoardWalk after the night shows at Epcot and DHS, don't know how much more they can do.

So maybe, this is a chance to convince people staying at CBR and Pop and AoA to come to the Crescent Lake amenities rather than busing over to Disney Springs. It means keeping the gondolas running way past park closure times, though.

OTOH, many of these amenities are upscale, and may prefer to stick with their own more wealthy clientele staying at their resorts.
 

GeneralKnowledge

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They've tried, but people wind up realizing that it ain't much of a destination. BoardWalk's boardwalk is just the hotel's shops and restaurants situated facing outside toward a boardwalk. The Swolphin has a livelier nightlife than the BoardWalk thanks to all the conventioneers.

If Disney couldn't get everyone to drop by the BoardWalk after the night shows at Epcot and DHS, don't know how much more they can do.

So maybe, this is a chance to convince people staying at CBR and Pop and AoA to come to the Crescent Lake amenities rather than busing over to Disney Springs. It means keeping the gondolas running way past park closure times, though.

OTOH, many of these amenities are upscale, and may prefer to stick with their own more wealthy clientele staying at their resorts.
They couldn’t get the Epcot and DHS guests to go to the boardwalk because they didn’t provide transportation back to their hotels. The gondola opens this up to 4 resorts. I would expect they’re interested in at least doing some business at the Atlantic Dance Hall and Jellyrolls. There’s also Big River Brewery, Abracadabar, and ESPN. The Boardwalk certainly has more dining and entertainment than the average hotel.

Also, perhaps they’re finally expanding Beaches and Cream because they’re expecting more foot traffic there as well.
 

tissandtully

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They couldn’t get the Epcot and DHS guests to go to the boardwalk because they didn’t provide transportation back to their hotels. The gondola opens this up to 4 resorts. I would expect they’re interested in at least doing some business at the Atlantic Dance Hall and Jellyrolls. There’s also Big River Brewery, Abracadabar, and ESPN. The Boardwalk certainly has more dining and entertainment than the average hotel.

Also, perhaps they’re finally expanding Beaches and Cream because they’re expecting more foot traffic there as well.
They need to get rid of the cover charge for Jelly Rolls.
 

GoofGoof

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They've tried, but people wind up realizing that it ain't much of a destination. BoardWalk's boardwalk is just the hotel's shops and restaurants situated facing outside toward a boardwalk. The Swolphin has a livelier nightlife than the BoardWalk thanks to all the conventioneers.

If Disney couldn't get everyone to drop by the BoardWalk after the night shows at Epcot and DHS, don't know how much more they can do.

So maybe, this is a chance to convince people staying at CBR and Pop and AoA to come to the Crescent Lake amenities rather than busing over to Disney Springs. It means keeping the gondolas running way past park closure times, though.

OTOH, many of these amenities are upscale, and may prefer to stick with their own more wealthy clientele staying at their resorts.
For me personally it’s a bit of a drag getting back to my hotel so I don’t go as often. I remember staying at Coronado Springs when it first opened and it was on the bus line with Boardwalk so easier to get there. We went to Jellyrolls several times that week and spent a night at ESPN and this was back when PI was still open and going strong (1998?). There are already 5 hotels on the lake with Swan and Dolphin but adding CBR, Riviera and AoA/Pop will more than double the amount of people who can potentially frequent the area with easy transport back to their hotel.

As far as running the gondola late, I think it depends on how late DHS stays open post SW opening. For at least 6 months to a year it will probably stay open pretty late. Probably midnight during peak times. Assuming they run the gondolas an hour past park closing they would be running until 1am anyway. I think that’s probably late enough to attract most people looking for nightlife at WDW.
 

Biff215

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Maybe they could even make Atlantic Dance Hall relevant again (was it ever really relevant?;)).
Ha, not sure it’s ever been relevant, but it’s rumored to potentially be closed permanently and only used for private events. Apparently there might be an agreement with the Swolphin that has kept it open this long.

I agree that the BW area should see a lot more traffic thanks to the gondolas. B&C has needed the addition for many years, but it is likely that SWGE and the Skyliner are finally forcing it. I just hope it doesn’t significantly change the Crescent Lake area as it’s my favorite in all of WDW.
 

SLUSHIE

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The Epcot station isn't really even that close to the boardwalk. When the boardwalk was newer there was a tram from the IG to the boardwalk but the gondola station is exactly where the tram used to stop. I think boardwalk will continue to be overlooked.
 

nickys

Premium Member
The Epcot station isn't really even that close to the boardwalk. When the boardwalk was newer there was a tram from the IG to the boardwalk but the gondola station is exactly where the tram used to stop. I think boardwalk will continue to be overlooked.
How close does the station need to be to be classed as “close” then in your opinion. 10 minutes walk is hardly far!

And yet it seems that people who think nothing of walking around a park all day consider more than 2 minutes is a “long way” when it comes to hallways or distance to transport etc. :rolleyes:
 

GeneralKnowledge

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The Epcot station isn't really even that close to the boardwalk. When the boardwalk was newer there was a tram from the IG to the boardwalk but the gondola station is exactly where the tram used to stop. I think boardwalk will continue to be overlooked.
I would classify the walk from IG to BW as negligible in the grand scheme of walking distances at WDW. It’s like walking from the IG to Morocco. You wouldn’t forego eating at Spice Road Table because it’s too far from the back entrance of the park. I doubt you’d reconsider going to the BW because the gondola dumps you off a similar distance away.
 

joelkfla

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On failures, found this interesting but quite long and detailed report on ski lift inspection and maintenance:


It's quite detailed and scholarly, so I don't know whether I'm reading it right, but Table 33 on p. 43 says MTBF for sheave wheels is 25 days, and for Bolts & Connections is 29 days. Does that mean each and every sheave wheel and bolt typically needs to be replaced every 25 or 29 days respectively, or do you think that's 1 failure for any wheel or bolt on the entire line?
 

SLUSHIE

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I guess I can see people leaving Epcot to stop there for dinner or whatever (though Epcot has plenty of great restaurants...), but I don't see boardwalk as being a major destination and if leaving from the hotel I would rather go to Disney Springs.
 
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