TiggerDad
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Moving sidewalk.
OK. Will the Gondolas be painted white with different color stripes... like the monorails?
Nj4mwc
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I had to look up what a prt was and now I might take a ride to West Virginia to check it out
truecoat
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What if you turn the speed of H
The one advantage with a gondola system would be continuous cycling of units and a more reliable throughput. For example, if a monorail leaves a station half full but a bunch of people arrive for the next one. They now need to play catch up if it continues to be busy or gets busier.
You should take the time to read the thread: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation.924477/page-28#post-7580824
Bairstow
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lol Yeah that's not going to fly. There ain't no way most of the people I see on the mobility scooters are going to be able to load that quickly, without assistance, into a moving target no matter how slow. Odds are, they'll need to be reversed-in backwards which for most people will mean having help to do so.
Fairly certain Disney's insurance people and/or various regulators are going to require that the larger scooters are strapped/locked down, which will require additional time per vehicle to do properly.
You mean like how they're required to be strapped down in a monorail? Where are the Disney's insurers and public regulators there?
Bairstow
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Good point. I would imagine that has more to do with the likelihood of sudden stops on a bus compared to the monorail.
Do these gondolas oscillate back and forth when they have to stop like ski lifts?
Josh Harris
New Member
It 100% has to do with USDOT regs. The buses actually have stickers on them citing the regs stating why strollers have to be collapsed.
Monorails are not on the road so do not have to comply with USDOT regs. Gondola will also not be on the road so my guess they will have similar rules. If you do some reading and looking up vids, you'll see strollers, wheelchairs, and ECVs rolling on and off gondolas.
kthomas105
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Yes the vehicles have a hinging mechanism where they rest on the cable to keep the cabin level during accent and decent on the line. This feature would allow for some swinging with an abrupt stop or emergency. The force of the stop would still be less than that of an emergency stop on a rail line and they don't require accessibility devices to be secured.
Kamikaze
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They would, yes. But capacity for this is going to be whatever the number of seats are. No standing room.
From all the discussion, it's clear that beyond not reading most of the thread and asking the same questions again and again, that most people here don't ski and have never seen a gondola in action.
My last comment about scooters, and people requiring slow access in general, so as not to repeat it.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation.924477/page-123#post-7621909
Remember, this isn't the same as an amusement ride. The cars always detach at each station, including the turning station with no boarding access. Because of this, it also means they never ever ever want to stop the main line. For all modes of operation and any use case expected to be supported, the main line should never be stopped. Cars diverted to auxiliary lanes while detached, sure, but never stop the moving line.
The only time the main line would ever be stopped would be in case of an actual issue or failure in something, never for a planned use. In a ski resort, one issue I've seen is freezing rain icing the attachment clamp causing issue in the detach and attachment section of sliding in the track. The sliding causes the number of detached cars to back up to capacity requiring the line to stop to not overflow it. This is not a likely issue in FL.
No matter how slow or awkward any passenger is, they're always at least as mobile as a cardboard box of supplies. Something that ski resorts regularly load on dedicated cargo cars, swap onto the line and ship those boxes up the mountain. A little bit of planning for this obvious use case of slower passengers and it's a trivial scenario to work with. Both for swapping in cars and managing capacity of those cars coming off the line.
There should not be any use cases where the main line is ever stopped for normal operations.
My last comment about scooters, and people requiring slow access in general, so as not to repeat it.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation.924477/page-123#post-7621909
Remember, this isn't the same as an amusement ride. The cars always detach at each station, including the turning station with no boarding access. Because of this, it also means they never ever ever want to stop the main line. For all modes of operation and any use case expected to be supported, the main line should never be stopped. Cars diverted to auxiliary lanes while detached, sure, but never stop the moving line.
The only time the main line would ever be stopped would be in case of an actual issue or failure in something, never for a planned use. In a ski resort, one issue I've seen is freezing rain icing the attachment clamp causing issue in the detach and attachment section of sliding in the track. The sliding causes the number of detached cars to back up to capacity requiring the line to stop to not overflow it. This is not a likely issue in FL.
No matter how slow or awkward any passenger is, they're always at least as mobile as a cardboard box of supplies. Something that ski resorts regularly load on dedicated cargo cars, swap onto the line and ship those boxes up the mountain. A little bit of planning for this obvious use case of slower passengers and it's a trivial scenario to work with. Both for swapping in cars and managing capacity of those cars coming off the line.
There should not be any use cases where the main line is ever stopped for normal operations.
righttrack
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Really? Wow. I thought the point was to pack em in like they do here. The Roosevelt Island Tram that traverses the Queensboro Bridge has minimal seats, mostly standing room. Because of the smoothness of the ride, you're safer on a Gondola tram car than you would be on a bus.
Kamikaze
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Right, but the Roosevelt Island Tramway only has two vehicles. This will have tons of them.
TiggerDad
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I agree, but not many people are willing to read through 166 pages of the thread (like some of us have).
True. But then they should ask about an issue rather than state categorically something is a problem. There's a big netiquette difference between:
"I'm sorry if it's been addressed already, but, isn't lightning an issue?"
And...
"OMG, this will never work because of Florida lightning!!!"
Ismael Flores
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i have been to Singapore and the weather changes from one minute to another.
Sunny out and all of a sudden you can't see a few feet in front of you.
They have Lightning that makes things rattle and shake constantly.
I don't think they saw lightning as an issue when they decide build the gondolas.
Thoe Gondola line go from the mainland to Sentosa Island and the second line runs from one end of Sentosa to the other. The seemed to have protocals for that kind of change in weather and the towers had lightning rods as well. I was down in Sentosa Island and the Gondolas continued running until everyone had been disembarked, then they held off for a bit and resumed operations as soon as the lightning moved on
Sunny out and all of a sudden you can't see a few feet in front of you.
They have Lightning that makes things rattle and shake constantly.
I don't think they saw lightning as an issue when they decide build the gondolas.
Thoe Gondola line go from the mainland to Sentosa Island and the second line runs from one end of Sentosa to the other. The seemed to have protocals for that kind of change in weather and the towers had lightning rods as well. I was down in Sentosa Island and the Gondolas continued running until everyone had been disembarked, then they held off for a bit and resumed operations as soon as the lightning moved on
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