News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner -

pdude81

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This struck me as a huge - very weird - operational oversight (or perhaps a choice) - especially at the newest, most expensive resort explicitly on the line. It was so awkward waiting there for the CM to eventually give up on waiting for an empty car and add us to one occupied. The Rivera station is going to load so slowly when the resort is open.

If waiting for a gondola at Riviera I would expect to be sitting with another party that already entered the gondola at one of the end stations. Eventually I assume they will leave some cars open for ECV's or strollers to get on at Riviera, but for a lot of parkgoers they can just sit two groups in a car instead of one. If there is a line I expect when the doors first open for exit options that they will instruct you to slide for more guests to enter around the bend.
 

nickys

Premium Member
This struck me as a huge - very weird - operational oversight (or perhaps a choice) - especially at the newest, most expensive resort explicitly on the line. It was so awkward waiting there for the CM to eventually give up on waiting for an empty car and add us to one occupied. The Rivera station is going to load so slowly when the resort is open.

I think once Riviera actually opens they will send empty cabins along the line, maybe 1 in every 4 or 5. Otherwise you’re right, it’ll be embarrassing.
 

joelkfla

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Doppelmayr newsletter has link to new artistic video of Singapore Cable Car at Sentosa Island.

In the comments, someone asked why it doesn't run at 6 m/s. Doppelmayr replied (translated from German):
Hello NJ Modellbau! It's not all about the speed - the trains also offer a nice view, which you might want to enjoy as a passenger longer. "Singapore Cable Car" runs at 5 m / s, "Intra Island Cableway" at 4 m / s.​
 

FigmentFan82

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Anyone with experience on what the end of the night looks like at IG at Epcot for the Skyliner? Huge lines or easy walk on? Same question for DHS. what does the park close crush look like in operation for these lines?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Doppelmayr newsletter has link to new artistic video of Singapore Cable Car at Sentosa Island.

In the comments, someone asked why it doesn't run at 6 m/s. Doppelmayr replied (translated from German):
Hello NJ Modellbau! It's not all about the speed - the trains also offer a nice view, which you might want to enjoy as a passenger longer. "Singapore Cable Car" runs at 5 m / s, "Intra Island Cableway" at 4 m / s.​

WDW's Skyliner is 5 m/s (11.2 mph).

What running at 5 m/s also does for you versus 6 m/s is give you 18% more time in the loading area to load and unload.
 

ppet

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Anyone with experience on what the end of the night looks like at IG at Epcot for the Skyliner? Huge lines or easy walk on? Same question for DHS. what does the park close crush look like in operation for these lines?
Was there first week of November and the crush of guests leaving at end of night, I might have waited 10 minutes. it was probably less actually. Since you are continuously moving you don't notice the wait as much.
 

Magic Feather

Well-Known Member
Anyone with experience on what the end of the night looks like at IG at Epcot for the Skyliner? Huge lines or easy walk on? Same question for DHS. what does the park close crush look like in operation for these lines?
Epcot gets hit harder than Studios. I would personally recommend doing a nice extra lap around WS post-EF to soak in the ambiance and let the line die a little. Thanks to the multiple waves of nighttime shows (and attraction lines that run a ways past closing) Studios never has too bad of a line around closing time.
 

mmascari

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I personally do not think Disney will ever charge for DS parking.

That aside, I'm sure there is technology that can handle validated parking without human intervention at the exit. I avoid paid garages like the plague, but I've read that a garage on I-Drive requires drivers to pay for their parking at walk-up machines before driving to the exit. The validating establishment could simply scan the entry ticket into a linked system, or give the customer a preprinted ticket to use in place of their entry ticket.

Parking lots use electronic parking validation. It is a matter of scanning one's parking ticket in an electronic ticket reader- once in the store and again when one exits the parking garage. The garage entrances and exits are completely automated.

The technology is simple enough. It definitely creates more infrastructure to maintain, but simple enough. Every restaurant and shop could have a validation machine. Customer remembers to ask them to validate the ticket received on garage entry. On exit, it waives the fee, or discounts it, or waives a few hours, whatever.

Operationally, that's a lot of machines to spread around, to places that don't really care about them. Along with rules and enforcement about how those places use the machines. Otherwise, it's not long before one of them just puts it out it in the open for self service. Or, there's just one out in the open instead of at each establishment. Now that it's self service, it's easy for anyone to use, even if they don't buy something. Even buying something, how much is enough? If you buy a sundae and nothing else, is that good for 12 hours of parking then? Do you need to spend a certain amount of money first before you can validate? All these little things start to add up. They are easily worked around to get cheaper parking while at the same time making the desired customers mad instead.

I don't know if other locals share this sentiment, but since Universal started charging for parking for most APs, my wife and I don't even consider going to CityWalk unless we're going to a park. We go to DS multiple times a month. If DS were to charge for parking, our attendance there would drop precipitously.

This is really the entire question. Is DS designed and used to support "mostly resort guests and a few locals/off site guests" or is it "mostly locals/off site guests and a few resort guests"? Which of those groups spends more money at DS and supports the entire ecosystem there?

If it's the first scenario, charge away for parking and discourage locals/off site guests.

But, I suspect that resort guests alone cannot keep DS profitable, that it's the second scenario. Where locals/off site guests are the primary DS customers, drawing them in and it's not primarily onsite resort guests keeping DS profitable. This model suggests that parking should be free to entice more use. Free and easy to use, draw people in, primarily competing with other outside establishments and not with in park/resort ones.
 

Magic Feather

Well-Known Member
The technology is simple enough. It definitely creates more infrastructure to maintain, but simple enough. Every restaurant and shop could have a validation machine. Customer remembers to ask them to validate the ticket received on garage entry. On exit, it waives the fee, or discounts it, or waives a few hours, whatever.

Operationally, that's a lot of machines to spread around, to places that don't really care about them. Along with rules and enforcement about how those places use the machines. Otherwise, it's not long before one of them just puts it out it in the open for self service. Or, there's just one out in the open instead of at each establishment. Now that it's self service, it's easy for anyone to use, even if they don't buy something. Even buying something, how much is enough? If you buy a sundae and nothing else, is that good for 12 hours of parking then? Do you need to spend a certain amount of money first before you can validate? All these little things start to add up. They are easily worked around to get cheaper parking while at the same time making the desired customers mad instead.



This is really the entire question. Is DS designed and used to support "mostly resort guests and a few locals/off site guests" or is it "mostly locals/off site guests and a few resort guests"? Which of those groups spends more money at DS and supports the entire ecosystem there?

If it's the first scenario, charge away for parking and discourage locals/off site guests.

But, I suspect that resort guests alone cannot keep DS profitable, that it's the second scenario. Where locals/off site guests are the primary DS customers, drawing them in and it's not primarily onsite resort guests keeping DS profitable. This model suggests that parking should be free to entice more use. Free and easy to use, draw people in, primarily competing with other outside establishments and not with in park/resort ones.
This issue is that the DS Garages Literally do not have a place to put these machines without causing weird bottlenecks and huge backups.
 

Nubs70

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This issue is that the DS Garages Literally do not have a place to put these machines without causing weird bottlenecks and huge backups.
There could be several options for payment points. Ticket on entry with payment kiosks at stairwells/store validations.

Parking App where customer has linked to payment card and car information. Combined with and ANPR at entry and exit, charge would be automatic with a 3 sec delay upon entry and exit.
 

Qscout

Active Member
for the last trip we made in April we priced everything, and looked at staying off site near to DS and walk to DS to get disney bus to parks. As a way of saving money on car hire/parking, or increased cost of staying on resort.

The no direct buses to parks was making the travel time well over an hour to parks, and not worth it at all due to time lost. So it worked out that by the time you paid car hire, parking, and off site hotel and charges it was about the same rate as staying on resort, or the cost of on resort was such a small amount that the advantages made it the obvious choice.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
This issue is that the DS Garages Literally do not have a place to put these machines without causing weird bottlenecks and huge backups.

Any of the technical issues can be overcome, they're not the barrier to changing how the DS parking works.

That's my point, this isn't a technical or implementation problem. The entire question is about the profit model and customer profile that supports DS.

If paid parking breaks that model, it will not happen. If it supports the model, any technical problem can be solved.

The business model for DS may change over time, changing this decision. But, my guess is that right now in its current form, the business model for DS requires drawing in many more external visitors that use parking than it counts on resort guests for business.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Yeah, this is never gonna happen, no matter how much the weirdos who wanna see it happen on this forum want it to happen.
Or, we've just seen how well they work around the world (and particularly Europe). Is this yet another widely and successfully implemented technology that for some reason Disney guests are so delicate and trogladitic that they supposedly can't adapt to?

I personally don't care an iota whether or not Disney Springs charges for parking. But if they decide to go this route, I would much rather use the modern kiosk-based system that the rest of the modern world uses without issue.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Guys.. the entire point of this tangent is... parking policies at DS isn't the immovable object that should dictate the master plan for transportation for the resort. There are methods to change from free to park, to 'something else' if so desired... so don't let the tail wag the dog.

There are bigger things at play.. stop getting bogged down in the minutia instead of understanding the grander discussion at hand.
 

wedenterprises

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I cracked and actually rode the skyliner last week. I was certainly nervous about getting stuck. However, it was smooth and I loved it. I rode from Ep-MGM and then again from Ep-CB-Ep

I absolutely agree that the wraps have to go. Not only is it nearly impossible to see out the window, but you get a weird warped reflection of yourself that makes you feel crazy.

I would hate to ride with anyone not in my party, when I sail through the Riviera I'll be dreading people coming aboard.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I cracked and actually rode the skyliner last week. I was certainly nervous about getting stuck. However, it was smooth and I loved it. I rode from Ep-MGM and then again from Ep-CB-Ep

I absolutely agree that the wraps have to go. Not only is it nearly impossible to see out the window, but you get a weird warped reflection of yourself that makes you feel crazy.

I would hate to ride with anyone not in my party, when I sail through the Riviera I'll be dreading people coming aboard.

I hate rich people, too!!
 

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