New Fantasyland review in the New York Times

Kuhio

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The NY Times just published an overview of New Fantasyland. The author, Stephanie Rosenbloom, is a regular columnist for the Times, and someone who has visited WDW more than 20 times.

For a piece by someone who's both a regular writer for the paper (as opposed to a "guest" columnist drawn from the ranks of the great unwashed) and a self-identified longtime park visitor, it's surprisingly bland.

There didn't seem to be too much in the way of particular insight, although Rosenbloom does talk briefly about issues that might be well-known in the fan community, but less well known among the general public (e.g., the closing of Snow White, and the angst that entailed among some fans).

The article is largely positive, although Rosenbloom throws in a few minor criticisms (the MK is "saccharine, expensive[,] and homogenous") and a poke or two at an Imagineer's reluctance to discuss the Lumiere AA as anything other than a "real" character. The nature and mildness of these comments tend to make them read more like an effort to keep the article "balanced" and less like genuine observations about problems in the parks (e.g., the lack of upkeep and regular maintenance).

On the whole, I was a bit baffled by the piece. Although it was largely free of the kind of factual errors that usually plague even the NYT's previous articles on Disney parks, its content was also so unexceptional as to make me wonder why the the paper bothered. The timing is also odd -- the information was gathered in early December, so why print the piece now? I suspect it didn't take several weeks to write, and its publication mere days before Christmas makes it of relatively little utility to anyone who might have been contemplating a last-minute holiday vacation.

Thoughts?

http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/travel/inside-disneys-new-fantasyland.html?ref=travel

And the author's companion piece on a "magical day" at WDW:

http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/travel/a-magical-day-at-disney.html?ref=travel&_r=0
 

hpyhnt 1000

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Speaking for myself, I agree with the OP that the piece was rather bland. Yes, it gave an overview of what is in New Fantasyland and of upcoming or recent additions, but that was all. We dont really know if the author liked the rides or restaurants.
 

Kuhio

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Original Poster
[Edit: The following made a lot more sense before the post to which it directly referred was deleted. It's not a response to either hpyhnt1000 or danlb_2000, but instead to another poster's pointless and reactionary response, which has since been purged from the thread.]

Someone on wdwmagic fails to comprehend the nuance of a post, and has a knee-jerk reaction to what he/she erroneously perceives as straightforward criticism of a "positive review"? SHOCKER OF ALL SHOCKERS.

It's comical how sone [sic] of you just can't comprehend that commentary about WDW doesn't simply fall into two discrete categories -- either unconditionally positive or unremittingly negative. You can try to convince the world that other posters are as obtuse in their understanding of issues as you are, it won't change that fact. It's also hilarious that you'd presume to disparage Chili's waitstaff and Wal-Mart clerks, when your own analytical skills suggest that such employees typically exhibit far greater use of their intellects than you do in your posts.

This board becomes a lot more enjoyable when one just puts the obvious trolls on ignore. If the board finds that it's no longer in need of tiresome, one-note trolls, we'd finally be able to have some more productive and intelligent discussion.
 

WDW1974

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I guess I should read the Times coverage and offer an opinion!:)

Perhaps, after I return from my big, top one percent Christmas dinner out!:D
 

SeaCastle

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I read the article and felt nonplussed. I was expecting blowhard pablum and what I got from the article was that the author was generally unsure about how she felt about New Fantasyland herself.

I am a fan of the parks, but not a blind devotee. The Magic Kingdom is saccharine, expensive and homogeneous. At the same time, it is a place where families can be silly together. It is a showcase for technological innovation and logistics. And, for better or for worse, it is a place devoid of the responsibilities and heartache of the grown- up world.
That paragraph made little sense to me. There is very little in the Magic Kingdom worthy of "technological innovation", at least by the standards of the twenty-first century. Meanwhile, I find the charge that the Magic Kingdom is "homogenous" to be misplaced. The merchandise is homogenous (and food to some extent) but what are the similar qualities in, Tomorrowland and Frontierland? Similarly, Is a place where you are lugging your kids around in a stroller, ensuring that they are properly taken care of a "place devoid of the responsibilities and heartache of a grown-up world?" Knowing The New York Times and its audience, I am perplexed as to why this piece was written (and edited) in the way that it was
 

Disneyhead'71

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I read the article and felt nonplussed. I was expecting blowhard pablum and what I got from the article was that the author was generally unsure about how she felt about New Fantasyland herself.

That paragraph made little sense to me. There is very little in the Magic Kingdom worthy of "technological innovation", at least by the standards of the twenty-first century. Meanwhile, I find the charge that the Magic Kingdom is "homogenous" to be misplaced. The merchandise is homogenous (and food to some extent) but what are the similar qualities in, Tomorrowland and Frontierland? Similarly, Is a place where you are lugging your kids around in a stroller, ensuring that they are properly taken care of a "place devoid of the responsibilities and heartache of a grown-up world?" Knowing The New York Times and its audience, I am perplexed as to why this piece was written (and edited) in the way that it was
What is homogenous about the MK? Maybe the fact that most things in all lands have been replaced by toons. Tomorrowland is now chocked full of toons where they didn't used to be. Tiki was taken over by toons for a while and still would be hadn't a fire corrected that error. Aladdin in French Polynesia? Sure why not.
 

Hakunamatata

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What is homogenous about the MK? Maybe the fact that most things in all lands have been replaced by toons. Tomorrowland is now chocked full of toons where they didn't used to be. Tiki was taken over by toons for a while and still would be hadn't a fire corrected that error. Aladdin in French Polynesia? Sure why not.
Agree. Tomorrowland used to have a more spaceport/futuristic transportation feel about it. Back in the day you had Mission to Moon/Mars, If you had Wings, Peoplemover, space mountain. Now you have a toy story attraction, a cartoon themed retool, a monster comedy club, a Peoplemover re-storied to be a promo for them, and SM.
 

bferrara16

Active Member
Far be it from me to judge someone's version of a magical day, so I won't, but I will question the label of Soarin' as "new". Are we sure this writer has been to WDW recently?
 

cba

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I noticed that Disney used the Pepper ghost effect, which is personally one of my favorite Disney tricks. I also really want to see the rose at BoG that the author was talking about.
 

WDW1974

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Far be it from me to judge someone's version of a magical day, so I won't, but I will question the label of Soarin' as "new". Are we sure this writer has been to WDW recently?

I did find that odd myself. Soarin opened 7 1/2 years ago. Even by Disney standards, the use by label of 'new' likely expired about 2009.

I didn't like or dislike the article. There just wasn't much meat to it. Not all that informative. And not all PR-ish to make the Mouse's PR Dept happy (***Just saw my first New Fantasyland commercial on SoFla TV on ABC during a break from UNI's Grinch film). It really didn't seem to do much beyond stating that there were indeed some 'new' things at WDW.

Some things I found interesting:

1.)“It can’t just be about nostalgia,” Tom Staggs, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, told me the next morning as I stood beside him in a rose garden peering up at the spires of Cinderella’s Castle.

I found that amusing because WDW has been playing on nostalgia in a sick sorta way (nostalgia guests have for prior visits and the way Disney used to be).

2.) How to fix the line? Imagineers simply got rid of it. Now, visitors enter an air-conditioned circus-themed play area with slides and climbing nets. A sign says “Play while you wait!” Instead of standing in line, guests receive a pager (it’s like being at the Cheesecake Factory) and can play until they are notified it’s their turn to fly.

I know I want my theme park experiences compared to waiting with a pager for a meal at the good, but vastly overrated, Cheesecake Factory.

3.) “What was a couple of minutes on Dumbo is now an immersive 15 minutes,” said Phil Holmes, vice president of Magic Kingdom Park.

Um ... yeah ... that McD's like playland in a loud circus tent-like structure sure immerses me in something, but it sure isn't what ever attracted me to Disney in the first place.

4.) NEW FANTASYLAND is cotton candy: light and sweet. It made room for princesses loved by Disney’s youngest fans without crowding out my memories.

Yet I did miss some of the vintage Disney: mainly Snow White’s Scary Adventures. Is something lost now that the ride is gone? Yes. A bit of, well, scariness. For that reason, many parents are glad it’s banished, and I understand. Still, that spooky ride was in the spirit of fairy tales as they are in books, before they are Disneyfied. Once upon a time, there was something to be said for that: a happy ending is meaningless if the journey is a cakewalk.

Cotton candy is light and sweet and has no substance. ... But I like the point that fairy tales are scary. Neutering them down to not scare impressionable children is absurd. I was scared the first time I ride SWA as @CBOMB will tell you as the ride actually was frightening back in the 70s with loud noises, darkness, the evil hag popping out cackling at you like a blogger that was left of a Disney invite list. ... Disney is so afraid of offending anyone that they make the experience a lesser one for everyone.

Mermaid is a great example. All the conflict is removed. The way the attraction is presented you'd almost think Ursula did Ariel a favor. There is no battle. Nothing scary. No conflict. And when she is defeated and dies, it is in the background, easily missed. That's not the classic film I first saw in 1989. But no child beyond a toddler unaware of its surroundings would be scared by it and, after all, we wouldn't ever want a child to fear anything, would we?
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
[Edit: The following made a lot more sense before the post to which it directly referred was deleted. It's not a response to either hpyhnt1000 or danlb_2000, but instead to another poster's pointless and reactionary response, which has since been purged from the thread.]

Someone on wdwmagic fails to comprehend the nuance of a post, and has a knee-jerk reaction to what he/she erroneously perceives as straightforward criticism of a "positive review"? SHOCKER OF ALL SHOCKERS.

It's comical how sone [sic] of you just can't comprehend that commentary about WDW doesn't simply fall into two discrete categories -- either unconditionally positive or unremittingly negative. You can try to convince the world that other posters are as obtuse in their understanding of issues as you are, it won't change that fact. It's also hilarious that you'd presume to disparage Chili's waitstaff and Wal-Mart clerks, when your own analytical skills suggest that such employees typically exhibit far greater use of their intellects than you do in your posts.

This board becomes a lot more enjoyable when one just puts the obvious trolls on ignore. If the board finds that it's no longer in need of tiresome, one-note trolls, we'd finally be able to have some more productive and intelligent discussion.

That was the greatest and most well written tear down of a troll I've read in a long time. Bravo! Haha
 

sweetpee_1993

Well-Known Member
I'll agree with others, I didn't find much substance to the NYTs article at all. It was like a wordy statement of what's there. Definitely the writer should've put more oomph into it somewhere. Take a few slaps at the mouse or paint the whole joint practically-peachy-perfect...do something to give us an impression of what the writer really felt other than ready to go home because he/she was tired & not feeling well but then maybe that changed because a random CM referred to the now-a-she writer as "Princess". At the end it's a bit too late to give us any emotional hints.

1.)“It can’t just be about nostalgia,” Tom Staggs, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, told me the next morning as I stood beside him in a rose garden peering up at the spires of Cinderella’s Castle.

I found that amusing because WDW has been playing on nostalgia in a sick sorta way (nostalgia guests have for prior visits and the way Disney used to be).
That stood out like a sore thumb to me, too. If it's not all about nostalgia, Tom, y'all are in deep sh*t, fella. Just sayin'...
 

Disneyfan_76

Well-Known Member
The timing is also odd -- the information was gathered in early December, so why print the piece now? I suspect it didn't take several weeks to write, and its publication mere days before Christmas makes it of relatively little utility to anyone who might have been contemplating a last-minute holiday vacation.

Most likely it was written as a filler piece to be used during the holidays while the reporters were on vacation.
 

Kuhio

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Original Poster
Continuing with its recent focus on Disney and Disney-related travel, the New York Times published a piece on "Going Beyond Disney in Orlando," written by "Frugal Traveler" Seth Kugel.

The article takes a look at alternative and inexpensive food and attractions in central Florida -- and refers in passing to the FLE overview by Rosenbloom, whom Kugel characterizes as a "deeper-pocketed traveler[]."*

Kugel only discusses a couple of sights, but his piece is a nice reminder that there is far more to the Orlando area than what you glimpse in passing through the windows of Disney's Magical Express. As with any metropolitan area, real people live here... many of whom have no connection to or interest in any theme park whatsoever.

http://frugaltraveler.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/going-beyond-disney-in-orlando/

*BTW, according to Kugel's website, he's an Ivy League grad... I'm a bit amused that even some among the supposed "top 1%" have an interest in frugal dining and travel!
 

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